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crazywolf wrote:Urm sorry could not really be bothered to read the whole thing, is this why my ascended account now makes a tenth of the income per day it used too? Why is it not attack turns, but all resources, I know it will be in here somewhere but cannot really be bothered to read and tell me how that is in anyway a good update?


That probably just looks like it as we didn't get any turns for about 24h ... I think.
There shouldn't be any changes to the top 800, but the even lower ranks get more action turns.

To drop rank enough you prob. have to get 2 stats to 0. At least. I don't have any attack and am still in the low 200 - with my other stats nowhere close to being great.
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Yes - this makes it so that if you are inactive, you dont get the benefits the actives do... has and will be this way :) i think good, too...
Shooting Star wrote:OK so there is still a maximum amount of turns that you can accrue. Well that's a good thing I suppose.



The % was supposed to be a suprise but I will give it away...
The seller gets 5%.
The remaining DMU goes to accounts active within last few days... spread evenly. It does not just disappear...(damn socialist weapons!)
Shooting Star wrote:The DMU dispersion seems a little suspect to me, I guess we shall see what the "percentage" is.
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Could you explain this dispersion of the auction money? I would like to know.


Actually it is for the newly ascended, not those who quick ascended. There are still people ascended 1st time now, still people just starting main now, that hope to ascend in 5 months, etc... The ones who are weak due to other reasons are not the target here, but for better or worse are in the same boat, so get the same rules...

Shooting Star wrote:Lastly, I would like to know why we are coddling the people who just use ascension as a means to power in main and don't play, .... You didn't play the server? Shame on you. Why should you get help now?



There are certainly 2 camps on this one :)
The 50% is a compromise, and can be looked at periodically.
Shooting Star wrote:I ask Forum to return ascension to what it was meant to be. Those who wanted a different challenge than main was providing. If you don't play ascension, you don't get bonuses in main. It's that simple. Your ascended self can't help you if he/she/it is on vacation.



Not ready to go there yet. I see 2 (or more) sides to this suggestion. And guaranteed I will get flooded with 'unfair' cries, although I cannot say right now how many 'camps' would cry, or the various reasons they will say it is unfair. But i guarantee it'll be VERY contriversial...
Also - I dislike "undoable" descisions, since everyone, eventually, changes their mind. Or rules change, or updates come in, that change the reasoning/logic/descision criteria previously taken...

What I do plan, though, is an increase to 20 max ascends with the 11-20 being much costlier than 1-10.... details not yet determined...
Shooting Star wrote:I also have a suggestion for you. Allow those of us who have stopped ascending to use our massive resources in ascension to help better our main accounts. Here is what I mean: everyone in ascension is given the opportunity to use their ascended resources to both help their ascension account but also for certain benefits in main, if they so choose. But it is a one-way street. Once you have decided to help your main account, you may never ascend again. That would put the kibosh on people using their ascension accounts to better their main accounts in order to ascend with a huge amount of APP and thus turning it into a feeding frenzy. This would have two effects: first of all, it would allow those who are below us to catch up in ascension, if they have the drive and determination to do so and secondly, it would benefit those of us who committed a large amount of our resources in main to furthering our ascension accounts. We would have the choice to slow our growth in ascension for benefits in main. An idea that I find attractive would be the ability to buy powercells, much like was available in the quantum server (don't know if they still are as I have not played Quantum since it became "Who can spend the most cash?"). These can be purchased with DMU. You also might think about allowing us to transfer some of our planet growth ability to our main UP. This would slow down growth further in ascension for those that choose this option and allow others to catch up with us, again, if they have the drive and determination to do so. These solutions will help people catch up far more quickly than what you are suggesting. If those who chose not to sacrifice their main accounts to do huge ascensions want to catch up, give us the option of "sacrificing" our ascension accounts by not ascending again and using our ascension accounts to help out our main accounts. Believe you me, I would allow people to catch up to me in ascension if it meant that I could help my main account some.
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i do not understand how this update affects your ability to rebuild?? or your UP?
what are you referring to that "i just did" ? ?

General Cote wrote:to be blunt this update sux...As you know there is a huge war raging and lajh decided to mass my account with assassins killing nearly 1 million planets..o was like okay with my UP il be back up to normal in a week or two..but im also ranked 36 and now i can't even use my UP to help me REBUILD from war...this server sucks now..i could possibly just sell up

I think admin needs to think about what he just did..if he wants people to be able to catch up jus do the same thing as in main..set a limit
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Well to give you guys an idea of how far the big guys can drop:
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Hensenshi wrote:Well to give you guys an idea of how far the big guys can drop:
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most I've dropped to was 230.. can drop a bit more as no non COP has a decent enough covert/assasin so even if I drop alot of ranks in that
I'll be safe.
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Close to my first time posting in the Ascended section, long time reader....


Forum wrote:I trust this is fair. And please do not shoot me for trying :) Even I get things wrong sometimes, but I think my history shows that I will undo descisions/changes that dont work out...
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Forum, you're trying something new, and it is to be commended. What outcome it will have has yet to be determined, but I think it will have some positive effects. Variety is supposed to be the spice of life, right?


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Hensenshi wrote:Well to give you guys an idea of how far the big guys can drop:
Offensive Power 0 Ranked 2,942
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I could be wrong, but it seems to me that he problem most of you are experiencing with trying to drop rank is that your Influence trait is weighted as heavily as attack / defense / covert / Command Star combined. I would venture a guess that you have spent considerable time building up your Influence Power, so it may be incredibly difficult to get back down to the 2 AT / turn area (if that was your intention...)
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Hensenshi wrote:Well to give you guys an idea of how far the big guys can drop:
Offensive Power 0 Ranked 2,942
Rank: 199


I'm assuming you only sold off your strike. You'd probably have to reduce defense and covert as well.
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SSG EnterTheLion wrote:The CoP leaders have discussed this..and come to an agreement.

As the only group who have actually tried to make the ascended server succeed instead of turning it into a glorified 'bonus giver' for main accounts, I'm afraid we will make our response known soon."


so cop rule the game is what you are saying? unbelievable, who the hell do you think you are, I mean its a free game and you are trying to intimidate forum into changing it back.

I lose any respect I have for you Rhett. I mean Forum is trying to balance the game for everyone, hell why not change it to the cop server?
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Holy crap, that is the most arrogant thing I have ever seen come from CoP or you Rhett!!

Fine you guys put alot into ascension, I personally don't question that, and yes I also agree ascending for the bonuses is not worth ascending at all, but in the end the only way to compete in main is to be ascended, and yes thats a result of the bonuses. (I would prefer no main bonuses at all and just the race bonuses, maybe you get to modify your race bonuses when ascended...meh water under the bridge)

To say that only CoP players take ascension seriously is a fallacy.
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Question: when we are talking about loosing turns here are we actually loosing turns or are we merely getting one AT per turn because i see no problem with that? Or are we talking about us loosing resources in the turn as well? If so please tell me and disregard what im saying below and I will delete most of this post.

Forum wrote:i do not understand how this update affects your ability to rebuild?? or your UP?
what are you referring to that "i just did" ? ?

General Cote wrote:to be blunt this update sux...As you know there is a huge war raging and lajh decided to mass my account with assassins killing nearly 1 million planets..o was like okay with my UP il be back up to normal in a week or two..but im also ranked 36 and now i can't even use my UP to help me REBUILD from war...this server sucks now..i could possibly just sell up

I think admin needs to think about what he just did..if he wants people to be able to catch up jus do the same thing as in main..set a limit

my apologies Jason..but if i read correctly if im higher ranked don't a loose turns and if i loose turns my planet production cuts down due to the loss of turns...loss on planet production equals slowing down my rebuilding time does it not..if im wrong please correct me

But neways i only dropped to ranked 276 i think and i was ranked 36 and still rebuilding..lol i think many people will unexpectedly be gaining rank because many top CoP members are dropping down to not loose their resources
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SSG EnterTheLion wrote:The CoP leaders have discussed this..and come to an agreement.

As the only group who have actually tried to make the ascended server succeed instead of turning it into a glorified 'bonus giver' for main accounts, I'm afraid we will make our response known soon."


so cop rule the game is what you are saying? unbelievable, who the hell do you think you are, I mean its a free game and you are trying to intimidate forum into changing it back.

I lose any respect I have for you Rhett. I mean Forum is trying to balance the game for everyone, hell why not change it to the cop server?


Oniell in all respect forum isnt balancing this they are making people who worked hard suffer...I mean you probably ascended way before me and I have only ascended twice and i think your an LG but my account topples yours so that jus says I have worked harder at the expense of my main account because surely you'd beat me there. But my punishment for working harder in this server is for admin to slow me down..I don't think thats right in any way..but if im misunderstanding this forum will correct me.
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SSG EnterTheLion wrote:
Hensenshi wrote:Well to give you guys an idea of how far the big guys can drop:
Offensive Power 0 Ranked 2,942
Rank: 199


most I've dropped to was 230.. can drop a bit more as no non COP has a decent enough covert/assasin so even if I drop alot of ranks in that
I'll be safe.


Well if I drop my covert and assassin down a bit I can get lower too. Same as you, there's no one outside the CoP I can drop it more, but I don't really want to do that.
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Hensenshi wrote:Well to give you guys an idea of how far the big guys can drop:
Offensive Power 0 Ranked 2,942
Rank: 199



I could be wrong, but it seems to me that he problem most of you are experiencing with trying to drop rank is that your Influence trait is weighted as heavily as attack / defense / covert / Command Star combined. I would venture a guess that you have spent considerable time building up your Influence Power, so it may be incredibly difficult to get back down to the 2 AT / turn area (if that was your intention...)


My purpose was to show you how far a big player can drop. And yes, I have a very large influence. I have more influence than most people have total power. :wink: To drop to the 2AT/turn area I'd have to get rid of another stat entirely. Now I would bet I can get away with having no assassin as no one outside of the CoP can spy me, but it's the principle of things. You don't go assassinless. You just don't.
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Keep the current new turn rate as is. I don't mind ginving small or new ascended beings a way to try and catch up.

Remove the superwep.

Remove all main bonuses for people that simply hide out on ascention through vacation mode. The purpose of vacation mode is if you have some RL problems that make you incapable of monitoring your account. Not as a way to "save" yourself from a conflict.
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agreed if you go on vacation mode up there for a legit reason you would go on it in main to so if your bonuses are removed from main when that happens you shouldn't care anyways since you will be on "vacation".

Dormant beings should have their powers halved or worse since the only reason why they ascended was to get main power ups with little loss to their main account.

SW: could careless

Turns: as long as we make our normal planets/ dmu per half hour turn i don't care if you give weaker members 2x as many but if our planets/dmu are affected in anyway then get rid of the said update
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i think the stoppage of turns due to bug, timed with an announced change regarding turns, was about the worst coincidence that could have happened :)

to put the change very simply:
*everyone gets 1 action turn/turn, plus the income etc. associated with a turn.
*rank 800 to 1600 get 1 extra action turn/turn (no extra income, etc - just the extra 1 action turn).
*rank 1601-2400 get 2 extra action turns/turn.
*rank 2401+ get 3 extra action turns/turn.

thats it. nobody loses turns. nobody loses resources, and nobody gets 'extra turns' (opposed to action turns) that would give them faster income generation, planet generation, etc...


General Cote wrote:Question: when we are talking about loosing turns here are we actually loosing turns or are we merely getting one AT per turn because i see no problem with that? Or are we talking about us loosing resources in the turn as well? If so please tell me and disregard what im saying below and I will delete most of this post.

Forum wrote:i do not understand how this update affects your ability to rebuild?? or your UP?
what are you referring to that "i just did" ? ?


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dormant DO have their powers halved in main....

General Cote wrote:
Dormant beings should have their powers halved or worse since the only reason why they ascended was to get main power ups with little loss to their main account.
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