The western obsession/fetish with being the "force of good"

[Brdavs]

Or better said, the obsession/fetish of *passing itself as "a force of good"* to its gulable populus.

I`m noting an increasingly humorous desire by western govermnets to sell themselves as "righteouss" and the "good guys" in a black/white world. Wich, to my dismay and amusement actually bares fruit with some less "educated"/informed induviduals.

To recap:

We in the West dislike dictaturships because of obvious moral reasons. (Dictators we placed in power or those that are pro-western or sell us oil are an obvious & "necesary" exemption).

We combat terorists all over the globe. (Exept those we train and arm to fight our rivals... unless they turn on us aswell that is. Nvm the fact that we created them in the first place and that we created/continue to create circumstances that cause its flourishing).

We strive so secure our inalienable rights to security, life, dignity & seoveirnty. (To achieve them we violate all of those to many all over the globe).

We adamantly oppose state arming and development & accuisition of weapons that threathen the world fragile balance of political power. (As long as we`re the ones that get to withdrawl/ignore (post) cold war agreements and push forward with testing and stuff like balistic missle interceptors placed practically on borders of other super powers. Dont put stuff on Cuba or this side of Urals thoe, we don`t like that.)

We firmly believe in the power of diplomacy (we can fabricate proof there). Rattling with weapons is a domain of unfree regiemes (these days a combined anglo-franco-american fleet is conducting drills in the gulf (brimstone operation). Coincidentaly rumours of a naval blocade of Iran are ripe, only issue is that that consititutes a declaration of war according to international law - but who honestly cares about IL right?).

We firmly believe in the rule of (our) law, due process and basic rigts for (some) detainees. (As long we have sole juristiction over our citizens and we get to (re)define what such abstract legal notions as "combatants", "toruture", "Geneva convention", etc. actually mean. Cour rulings we don`t like, we circumvent.)

We strongly condemn human rights violations and recuction in other powers. (we have our populus scared wittles to a point they give away their rights freely and those without our passports matter not anyways. East European secret prisons&Guantanamo like institutions on "no mans land" for them. + if a place of violation is not rich wih tnatural resources, strategically important to us or just a chance to "stick it up" to a rival we dont care. Sry Darfur.)

We are pro separation state from religion, we`d like to see secular regiemes all over the world. (Religion & traditional christian values just happen to be in the forefront of the elections of numerous of our leaders. The fact they later get "inspired by god" to "conduct crusades" has no bearing on the matter).

We are pro free elections in the world (as long as we like the result). We honestly clasify elections in those nations as "fair/unfair". (In Russia for instance elections are unfair since they gravitate towards the know side. Completly unlike the profesionall unpartisan western media that "informed" us into 2 wars. Italy where Berlusconi actually owns all the media is sui generis aswell.)

We are pro nations choice. (Unless they`re trying to seceede teritory from us & if those nations are pro us. Like kosovo. Speaking of Balkans, we`re also keeping the BiH federation together.)
So:
In the week of the start of the olympic games in China leaders were calling for boycott and people are liting candles for a free Tibet. (On the day of the opening western sponsored and equped Georgia, previosuly promissed mebership in the (former defensive turn offensive) organization NATO, rolled its armies into (one of) its 18 year de facto independant province(s) of Ossetia. A province it has little historical and next to no ethnical claim to at this point. 1 problem thoe, it is pro Russian, unlike the K place. 100s of casulties in the ensuing fights when russia sent its forces in NATO-balkans style. Noone lit a candle for them, US and UK blocked a UN SC resolution however. Dont ask, its just "different". Top media story: Russia INVADES Georgia. Funny that eh.).

We are alergic to any injustice in the world. To correct our historical blunders (wich we normaly dont recognise) we srtive to make due. (We issue appologies to peoples and nations we conducted genocides agiants provided noone says the g word. You know, the ppl running the casinos or that brown auzzies). We for instance created Izrael for the historically opressed nation of the Jews. (And we block any concrete UN resolutions about the zionistic state treatment of its concentration camp called "Gaza Strip".)

Nationalism is tabu. So 20th century. So worth of condemnation. (We are just fiercly "patriotic" and our armies and nations are the "greatest in the world". But not all of us. Germans permanently lost that "privelage" for instance heh).


etc. etc. etc. (Left out some mighty funny stuff infact).





Now is it just me or does saying all that outloud at once make us sound just as big of a "plicks" as all those we LOVE to frown uppon are?
Infact, is not a wolf in sheeps cloathing a bit worse than a steight up honest wolf?

Russia & China (that seem to be favorite punching bags) atlest dont insult the intelect of their citizens by painting themselves a holly aura and then listing all that oppose (and that can be pushed around) on a "axis of evil" - wich imvho happens to be the very cherry on the "boy u guys r stupid & easy to manipulate" cake we seem to be served on a daily basis.

Frankly, its offensive. Increasingly so as years pass on.




There, rip me a new one marines ;P

[[KMA]Avenger]

hi mate, 1stly, GREAT post,

i think the main problem from which all the little problems you list- stem from is the fact we have given professional politicians WAAAAAY to much trust so we can have a life of luxury and we have ALL grown mentally lazy and disconnected from each other.
where once the family unit and immediate community were the core of of the local community's we now mainly live in big city's cut off from each other and to preoccupied with our immediate concerns/wants and to busy to make the time to look whats happening around us and the world we live in and we have delegated the running of our respective nations to professional politicians.
this is a grievous mistake and we now live in a very dangerous time when things will get worse from here on in...

if (and i believe its coming and much sooner than people realize) an economic collapse comes the first industry's to go will be the trucking/shipping industry, if that happens, how will people live when all the food on the shelves is gone?
we will resort to cannibalism in just a few days because we have forgotten how to live, farm and survive and as i said, have grown mentally lazy.

we should all be ashamed that WE the people allowed this to happen

god help us all...

[Demeisen]

lol its are you starting a conspiracy fan club kma?

the west does some things which are not good. overall they exert a positive influence on the world. how would you like it if the nazis won the war, or the communists won the cold war. im sure that would be a much, much worse place. the western countries are generally the fairest countries around and if any nations can label themselves good, they are closest to being able to.

its a often a choice of the lesser of a shed load of evils.

btw if you are a conspiracy theorist this isnt for you. instead pls use this time to hate a puppy


oh and cannibalism? WTH are you talking about . . .a few days? stupidity.com/you

if you want to become a cannibal a few days after your local shop runs out of mars bars, you can eat my **Filtered**. enjoy!

[[KMA]Avenger]

SOME things which are not good???

with the exception of a few examples of history, show me one instance where democracy has/is working?

a majority rule means that 49% of people DON'T have a voice and no one understood this better than americas founding fathers which is why they have a constitution, bill of rights and a declaration of independence and formed a republic, but they dont teach americn kids the constitution and they sure as hell don't teach them that they live in a republic, every single mainstream news outlet and school keeps telling americans that they live in a democracy...

those people need a reeducation, founding fathers style!

P.S, i cant stand mars bars AND, where are you going to get food from when the economies collapse and no one has money for food...tescos?


do you even bother to read anything i write or do you just blindly pick things i say, make silly unfounded remarks and hope you look good, do you not take the whole post in context and try to understand any of it??

[Demeisen]

your credability is lacking dude.

you clearly want to live under a dictator as you seem to have a strong dislike for democracy. to be fair a dictatorship always turns out well. think of hitler. . .oh wait

if you dont like mars bars you are a mutant.

well i dont think id have trouble getting food a few days after the economies suddenly collapse. it would be weeks before choice of food was restricted and months before it ran low. and the uk wouldnt starve. food wouldnt get too expensive for people to survive on basic items. and i watch ray mears extreme survival. theres a bush out side my house and id forage in it. although without your lentils and soya beans you would probably be among the 1st to perish. bah if only you could only eat crackpot ideas

well i could pick one of your points at random and make a silly remark about it. it would be quite easy to mock at will. but i actually read your nonsense. its fun to learn your beliefs and reassuring to know im actually quite sane compared to some.

pls, rant and preach more stupidity. it makes everyone else here seem smarter and more respectable. cheers

[Iƒrit]

I like your post brdavs, Im a westerner myself, and I, for the most part disagree with american politicians take on terrorism, not because of my anaylis of facts, but because of my own idealogy of america. Tis a sad event that is happening and I hope that some day americans will wake up and see truth in what is happening to our own country, and stop sticking our noses in the affairs of others.

[semper]

good and evil are but points of view. They are ideas used for propoganda, used to gain power.

That is all.

The image of the west being the force of good, is one needed too keep the favour of their people when moving, willing, into a negative series of actions (war, arguments ((that sounds feeble)) and all other sort of things) if they maintain to be good, it keeps clear conscience and makes what would be to us, acts of evil, be for the greater good.

If a priest kills in the name of god, a small helpless girl when he is told to do so by terrorist's to save a million lives? An act of evil, or for the greater good? Should the priest be punished? Or not?

Were the Jedi really good? Does protecting the weak and innocent really make you good?

Or do we let all these concepts ideas and plays morality interfere with what is really right?

What is right is not always popular, what is popular is not always right!

Back to the point..well I think my opening paragraph sums it all up.

It's all just ways to keep the honest men happy, the bad men laughing, the smart people bored and the ignorant cheering.

Maybe I threw in some food for thought there.

[[KMA]Avenger]

your credibility is lacking dude.

you clearly want to live under a dictator as you seem to have a strong dislike for democracy. to be fair a dictatorship always turns out well. think of hitler. . .

is my credibility really lacking or is it you who simply cannot comprehend what is being said?

i will tell you a truth that i have no doubt will completely escape you because you will fail to understand it...

there are only 2 types of government no matter what label you put on it, left, right, fascist or communism or democracy, are simply labels...get it?

anyways...either the government is run by the people or the people are run by the government...there is NO other form of government and thats fact!!!


i doubt you will understand what any of that means and you will do what you always do, make silly and uninformed/uneducated comments.

[Brdavs]

Liquid, nothing in my post is a "theory". they`re facts. Unpleasent ones, but they are. It`s not my fault that you want to cover your ears and eyes to everything. But you stick them fingers in the earlobes, close your eyes and go blablabla conspiracy theory blababla if you want.

And for beating nazism&communism (arose in west funnily enough) we get carte blanche for doing whatvere we want and apply our painfully obvoius double standards to everyone over the globe? For how long? Just how are we fecking better then, huh?

I`m sorry but reading the FACTS up there 2 thing hits me.
1) this is not the west of the movies that I`m being sold, and I don`t want to buy it or have it made in my name. Sorry.
2) I wish my politicians would stop taking me for a complete fracking fool. It may work on liquid, it doesnt on me.

[[KMA]Avenger]

Liquid, nothing in my post is a "theory". they`re facts. Unpleasent ones, but they are. It`s not my fault that you want to cover your ears and eyes to everything. But you stick them fingers in the earlobes, close your eyes and go blablabla conspiracy theory blababla if you want.

And for beating nazism&communism (arose in west funnily enough) we get carte blanche for doing whatvere we want and apply our painfully obvoius double standards to everyone over the globe? For how long? Just how are we fecking better then, huh?

I`m sorry but reading the FACTS up there 2 thing hits me.
1) this is not the west of the movies that I`m being sold, and I don`t want to buy it or have it made in my name. Sorry.
2) I wish my politicians would stop taking me for a complete fracking fool. It may work on liquid, it doesnt on me.

i couldnt agree more with you mate, trouble is as i said, these are professional politicians we have placed in power and they do not serve the common good but instead serve the corporations, globalist agendas (which is self evident with the creation of the EU and now the NAU or north american union and the push for a global carbon tax) and the international gangster bankers....

and all the while the west forces its democracy and ideals at the point of a gun and done in the name of god and freedom...

i say, OUR LEADERS CAN STICK IT!

another common misconception is that many people think war is prolife when in fact it is destructive, even when the evidence of this is staring us in the face people refuse to see it and instead think we are fighting to restore freedom when in fact no such freedom exists even at home, you only have to look at the amount of surveillance cameras in central london to understand this.
london has more cameras per square mile than any other city in the world and we tolerate this intrusion of privacy without question...

if our own state is watching us without cause, reason or justification and we cant have a free society at home then how do we expect to spread freedom round the world!?

[Demeisen]

facts seen through a certain perspective though. your post could have been written in a neutral manner.

i didnt mean to suggest you were a conspiracy theorist if you are in fact not one. for that i apologise.

as a general rule i find that if kma thinks its a 'great post' it usually involves some unbelieveable, moronic conspiracy theory.

stop sticking our noses in the affairs of others

isnt that isolationism? that worked out well. its proven that if you dont oppose some things in far away lands, the things will come knocking at your door, and will be many times worse.

i doubt you will understand what any of that means and you will do what you always do, make silly and uninformed/uneducated comments

there are only 2 types of government no matter what label you put on it, left, right, fascist or communism or democracy, are simply labels...get it?

anyways...either the government is run by the people or the people are run by the government...there is NO other form of government and thats fact!!!

there are only 2 types on conspiracy theorists. retards, morons and idiots

there are many types of government. your facts are bull **Filtered**, as are your beliefs.

And for beating nazism&communism (arose in west funnily enough)

communsit ideals can be traced to ancient times. saying it arose in the west is like saying sport came from a specific place.
you seem to critisize the west for the nazi movement yet also critisize the fact that the same movement still hangs over germanys head?

im not brainwashed mate. it doesnt seem you are either. infact you are extremely rational compared to others who lurk in this topic.

this is the world we live in. if you are so upset with the way your government acts, feel free to move to another country. there are many countries in the world who do not have influence beyond their borders. burma for example. or perhaps an island would be ideal. kma could be your friday

polotics isnt what it should be. that fact is evident. i believe we are working towards a more open and honest society. if you are so dissatisfied why not do something about it. im content so i dont need to act. you are unhappy so not acting is just letting things happen. protest much?

and kma i dont mind being on cctv. its one of the greatest crime fighting devices ever developed. how many people have been prosecuted for violent disorder using cctv evidence? tens of thousands atleast id say. u jus jump on every conspiracy type thing against the government. you suck up to brdavs as it might get you an allie. he is not like you. he has some logic. if you so despise the uk **Filtered** off to somalia

[MajorLeeHurts]

It's all just ways to keep the honest men happy, the bad men laughing, the smart people bored and the ignorant cheering.

most accurate point in thread

and Democracy is fable like unicorns.


and meanwhile with all the suffering and injustices and struggles in the world right now, if you turn on the news all you see is wall to wall coverage of John Edwards got laid.

[Iƒrit]

@Liquid - Your making it far more complex then it really is, Avenger is correct. Their is only two forms of goverment.

1.) The people are the masters, the goverment is their servant.

2.) Goverment is the master, the people are their servants.

Those are the basic elements behind every LABEL of goverment.

[urogard]

it's not as much "western" as much as the "white man"

see the white mans burden

[Demeisen]

not really. a decent % of most western countries are not white. a black man may become president. uk society has people of different ethnic origins at all levels.

its not a question of skin colour, but rather of ideals.