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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

[KMA]Avenger wrote:Fluoride is one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUoride).


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorine
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salt

Both would not be good to take in by themselves... But when they become a compound together they become very stable and safe...

Alot of elements when added together become highly flammable and toxic...

So that is utter BS to put down a compound... And to say its element by itself is horrible...

Same with CO.. Dont breath in to much or you get carbon monoxide poison... Better go on strike and stay away from Carbon and Oxygen... :roll:

Also...

a pathological condition resulting from an excessive intake of fluorine (usually from drinking water)

Exact definition... Have to much of anything and it will have serious side effects... Alcohol, Carbon Monoxide, Lead, Lithium, Etc...
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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

what are you laughing at, was i wrong about Fluoride in Prozac and Sarin gas?

i was merely pointing out that the Fluoride is present in both of the above :? :? :?




in the US, the following is posted on the inserts of Fluoride containing toothpaste:

WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control centre immediately.

strange how ads show someone with pearly whites coving the entire brush with toothpaste but the recommended dose is a "pea-sized amount".
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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

[KMA]Avenger wrote:what are you laughing at, was i wrong about Fluoride in Prozac and Sarin gas?

i was merely pointing out that the Fluoride is present in both of the above :? :? :?




in the US, the following is posted on the inserts of Fluoride containing toothpaste:

WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control centre immediately.

strange how ads show someone with pearly whites coving the entire brush with toothpaste but the recommended dose is a "pea-sized amount".


That would be strange...... to a grossly uninformed person, such as yourself.

Your implying negative effects through negative comparisons, thinking it lends your argument some kind of validity.

Mr. x has a moustache.
Hitler had a moustache.
There for Mr. x is Hitler.

Look how easy it is. :smt043
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Thriller wrote:That would be strange...... to a grossly uninformed person, such as yourself.


Now if that ain't the pot calling the kettle black!



it beggars belief that a warning of possible poisoning by a seemingly harmless everyday item such as toothpaste would not only be ignored by the average person (such as yourself) but you also laugh at those who would warn you of the danger #-o :?
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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

So I see you're still drinking that Chicken blood avenger.
No matter how many you kill avenger the Baron Samedi will never be satisfied.
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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

keep living your fantasy life, you obviously cant handle reality.


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>Worldwide Water Conspiracy<

It's worse than we thought, they are pumping out the best water and sending it to China, and to top it off they are also adding Uranium & Lithium to the crap that left for us, which would be recycled toilet water.

This is not a game...

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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Thriller wrote:
[KMA]Avenger wrote:what are you laughing at, was i wrong about Fluoride in Prozac and Sarin gas?

i was merely pointing out that the Fluoride is present in both of the above :? :? :?




in the US, the following is posted on the inserts of Fluoride containing toothpaste:

WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control centre immediately.

strange how ads show someone with pearly whites coving the entire brush with toothpaste but the recommended dose is a "pea-sized amount".


That would be strange...... to a grossly uninformed person, such as yourself.

Your implying negative effects through negative comparisons, thinking it lends your argument some kind of validity.

Mr. x has a moustache.
Hitler had a moustache.
There for Mr. x is Hitler.

Look how easy it is. :smt043

there is a significant difference in comparison, your comparison holds no fact that Mr. X is or isn't Hitler because he has a mustache. Where as Avengers comparison does hold fact since it is a known fact that fluoride is a poison, period end of conversation.

It was added to water because it was believed at some point in time that it decreased the risk of tooth decay. However its been shown that in high doses it causes damage to the teeth, bones, thyroid, and brain, as well as an increase in fluorosis, skeletal abnormalities, chronic bone pain, stiffness of joints and bone fractures since its application. There is no universal accepted amount, leaving scientist wondering how much is okay? additionally the amount acceptable varies specially in younger adults, children and infants, with some age groups getting 3-5 times the recommended dose. After 3 years of studying for themselves and reviewing 100s of other studies a national research committe concluded, Fluoride can suddenly alter endocrine function, more likely to occur in the thyroid. Its found in a lot of products today for example foods, beverages, medicine, and dental products, increasing the chances for over consumption of fluoride.
Its also a proven fact that it is cumulative and your body stores fluoride in the bones.
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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Exposure to fluoride may lower children's intelligence says a study pre-published in Environmental Health Perspectives, a publication of the National Institute of Environmental Health Sciences (online December 17, 2010).

Fluoride is added to 70% of U.S. public drinking water supplies.

According to Paul Connett, Ph.D., director of the Fluoride Action Network, "This is the 24th study that has found this association, but this study is stronger than the rest because the authors have controlled for key confounding variables and in addition to correlating lowered IQ with levels of fluoride in the water, the authors found a correlation between lowered IQ and fluoride levels in children's blood. This brings us closer to a cause and effect relationship between fluoride exposure and brain damage in children."

"What is also striking is that the levels of the fluoride in the community where the lowered IQs were recorded were lower than the EPA's so-called 'safe' drinking water standard for fluoride of 4 ppm and far too close for comfort to the levels used in artificial fluoridation programs (0.7 – 1.2 ppm)," says Connett.

In this study, 512 children aged 8-13 years in two Chinese villages were studied and tested – Wamaio with an average of 2.47 mg/L water fluoride (range 0.57-4.50 mg/L) and Xinhuai averaging 0.36 mg/L (range 0.18-0.76 mg/L).

The authors eliminated both lead exposure and iodine deficiency as possible causes for the lowered IQs. They also excluded any children who had a history of brain disease or head injury and none drank brick tea, known to contain high fluoride levels. Neither village is exposed to fluoride pollution from burning coal or other industrial sources.

About 28% of the children in the low-fluoride area scored as bright, normal or higher intelligence compared to only 8% in the "high" fluoride area of Wamaio.

In the high-fluoride city, 15% had scores indicating mental retardation and only 6% in the low-fluoride city.

The study authors write: "In this study we found a significant dose-response relation between fluoride level in serum and children's IQ."

In addition to this study, and the 23 other IQ studies, there have been over 100 animal studies linking fluoride to brain damage (all the IQ and animal brain studies are listed in Appendix 1 in The Case Against Fluoride available online at http://fluoridealert.org/caseagainstflu ... dices.html).

One of the earliest animal studies of fluoride's impact on the brain was published in the U.S. This study by Mullenix et. al (1995) led to the firing of the lead author by the Forsyth Dental Center. "This sent a clear message to other researchers in the U.S. that it was not good for their careers to look into the health effects of fluoride – particularly on the brain," says Connett.

Connett adds, "The result is that while the issue of fluoride's impact on IQ is being aggressively pursued around the world, practically no work has been done in the U.S. or other fluoridating countries to repeat their findings. Sadly, health agencies in fluoridated countries seem to be more intent on protecting the fluoridation program than protecting children's brains."

When the National Research Council of the National Academies reviewed this topic in their 507-page report "Fluoride in Drinking Water: A Review of EPA's Standards" published in 2006, only 5 of the 24 IQ studies were available in English. Even so the panel found the link between fluoride exposure and lowered IQ both consistent and "plausible."

According to Tara Blank, Ph.D., the Science and Health Officer for the Fluoride Action Network, "This should be the study that finally ends water fluoridation. Millions of American children are being exposed unnecessarily to this neurotoxin on a daily basis. Who in their right minds would risk lowering their child's intelligence in order to reduce a small amount of tooth decay, for which the evidence is very weak." (see The Case Against Fluoride, Chelsea Green, October 2010)
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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Iƒrit wrote:
Thriller wrote:
[KMA]Avenger wrote:what are you laughing at, was i wrong about Fluoride in Prozac and Sarin gas?

i was merely pointing out that the Fluoride is present in both of the above :? :? :?




in the US, the following is posted on the inserts of Fluoride containing toothpaste:

WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control centre immediately.

strange how ads show someone with pearly whites coving the entire brush with toothpaste but the recommended dose is a "pea-sized amount".


That would be strange...... to a grossly uninformed person, such as yourself.

Your implying negative effects through negative comparisons, thinking it lends your argument some kind of validity.

Mr. x has a moustache.
Hitler had a moustache.
There for Mr. x is Hitler.

Look how easy it is. :smt043

there is a significant difference in comparison, your comparison holds no fact that Mr. X is or isn't Hitler because he has a mustache. Where as Avengers comparison does hold fact since it is a known fact that fluoride is a poison, period end of conversation.

It was added to water because it was believed at some point in time that it decreased the risk of tooth decay. However its been shown that in high doses it causes damage to the teeth, bones, thyroid, and brain, as well as an increase in fluorosis, skeletal abnormalities, chronic bone pain, stiffness of joints and bone fractures since its application. There is no universal accepted amount, leaving scientist wondering how much is okay? additionally the amount acceptable varies specially in younger adults, children and infants, with some age groups getting 3-5 times the recommended dose. After 3 years of studying for themselves and reviewing 100s of other studies a national research committe concluded, Fluoride can suddenly alter endocrine function, more likely to occur in the thyroid. Its found in a lot of products today for example foods, beverages, medicine, and dental products, increasing the chances for over consumption of fluoride.
Its also a proven fact that it is cumulative and your body stores fluoride in the bones.



lol sources plz.

Did you know that aspirin can be very bad for you when taken in high doses and even low doses for children.

There is actually alot of substances that people take daily that hold the same properties.
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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

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Iƒrit wrote:
Thriller wrote:
[KMA]Avenger wrote:what are you laughing at, was i wrong about Fluoride in Prozac and Sarin gas?

i was merely pointing out that the Fluoride is present in both of the above :? :? :?




in the US, the following is posted on the inserts of Fluoride containing toothpaste:

WARNING: Keep out of reach of children under 6 years of age. If you accidentally swallow more than used for brushing, seek professional help or contact a poison control centre immediately.

strange how ads show someone with pearly whites coving the entire brush with toothpaste but the recommended dose is a "pea-sized amount".


That would be strange...... to a grossly uninformed person, such as yourself.

Your implying negative effects through negative comparisons, thinking it lends your argument some kind of validity.

Mr. x has a moustache.
Hitler had a moustache.
There for Mr. x is Hitler.

Look how easy it is. :smt043

there is a significant difference in comparison, your comparison holds no fact that Mr. X is or isn't Hitler because he has a mustache. Where as Avengers comparison does hold fact since it is a known fact that fluoride is a poison, period end of conversation.

It was added to water because it was believed at some point in time that it decreased the risk of tooth decay. However its been shown that in high doses it causes damage to the teeth, bones, thyroid, and brain, as well as an increase in fluorosis, skeletal abnormalities, chronic bone pain, stiffness of joints and bone fractures since its application. There is no universal accepted amount, leaving scientist wondering how much is okay? additionally the amount acceptable varies specially in younger adults, children and infants, with some age groups getting 3-5 times the recommended dose. After 3 years of studying for themselves and reviewing 100s of other studies a national research committe concluded, Fluoride can suddenly alter endocrine function, more likely to occur in the thyroid. Its found in a lot of products today for example foods, beverages, medicine, and dental products, increasing the chances for over consumption of fluoride.
Its also a proven fact that it is cumulative and your body stores fluoride in the bones.



lol sources plz.

Did you know that aspirin can be very bad for you when taken in high doses and even low doses for children.

There is actually alot of substances that people take daily that hold the same properties.

whats so lol?? its all common facts which can easily be found, my source? its called the internet same thing I'm using right now to type my reply with. would you like a instruction manual on how to find information through the internet or can I assume since you have figured out how to post a message on a forum you have enough wits to use google?
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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Well you stated a lot of "facts"

That run counter to what I wrote and what the Canadian Cancer Reaseach center has to say about it. SO pardon me for not taking you on your word.
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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Thriller wrote:Well you stated a lot of "facts"

That run counter to what I wrote and what the Canadian Cancer Reaseach center has to say about it. SO pardon me for not taking you on your word.

I was not attempting to come off in an offensive manner, surely if you don't feel that what I am saying has any "fact" to it, you can use http://www.google.com for at least 5 mins and cross reference what I have typed. I understand your skeptisism. Its rather common our days specially with YouTube and the fad of watching a TV/video and not acually doing any primary research. You have to excuse me for not looking at every single post here as I do not remember this Canadian Cancer Research you speak of, could you point to a page number or link the specific post? one of my sources was a Canadian Association of Physicians for the Environment statement, rofl.

EDIT 1 - I'll cross referenced it through this search site, give me a few to read...BRB...

EDIT 2 - yea the link above shows a reply to the Canadian Cancer Research you post previous to this. Check it out
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Re: debate on weather sodium fluoride has any benefits

Really.

The only clear statement in that link with any credibility is from. Dr. Hardy Limeback, THE ONLY REFERENCE THERE..

Who is a professor of preventative DENTISTRY.
And what he is saying is that the benefits from fluoridation can be achieved by ongoing topical application to the teeth and not ingestion. NO where does it quote him saying anything negative concerning the fluoridation of drinking water, he just mentions that the method is outdated.

That is because he is not qualified to talk on effects of fluoride on any other part of the body besides the mouth because he a DENTIST.

Any group can put out a general statement about anything. But without references it usually is just a PR stunt.

Also be aware the information you are finding is at FLUORIDE ALERT.com. Im sure it's a fair and objective forum to present these ideas. lol
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Jeez.. I had flouride treatment up until the age cutoff or whatever. Still have good teeth and never had a cavity or any trouble. Can I have lolly pop now..
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