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I think his point was just that once you get to AG the 1 or 2% bonuses after that aren't necessary for you to compete, while the 5% boosts early on are a bit more vital to staying in the game.

shooty08 wrote:I think his point was just that once you get to AG the 1 or 2% bonuses after that aren't necessary for you to compete, while the 5% boosts early on are a bit more vital to staying in the game.

And it still means your only 50% additional effectiveness vs someone fully ascended. (loosing almost 20% stats, and 30% AB [going from LG+1])

Sarevok wrote:True. It is 26, not 30. But why are you missing out the middle 4?

Because I'm not sure what they got as AB... But I think Prophet to AG gets more than AG to Unknown AB wise.

In a game like this. People that are older accounts will always have an advantage. You are complaining about people getting to Unknown vs lower ones.

But think about this. What levels of covert would those old accounts have now if they had not ascended, 40, 41, 42, 43 etc.

The ascending actually made it easier for lower people to catch up.

Now, I would say have it so

Prior to Elder, no delay between ascensions. That would drastically cut down the time.

Remove all ascentions

You may as well suggest a server reset, the amount of time and resources people have put into ascending


This is the same old argument of how do new players compete, we were all new players once and we couldnt compete with the oldest & strongest either. So new players shouldn't try to fight the oldest and strongest or expect to be able too right away. They should fight people their own size to gain experience, and concentrate on growth. Currently Id say the best way to move up the ladder for new players is to raid and trade, raid, sell UU and save up to buy a better account off one of the many players leaving the game, in a couple of months a new player can have what someone playing a couple of years has, and with the low cost of highly ascended accounts nowadays a highly active new player can probably advance faster now than at any time in SGW history.

Am Heh wrote:But think about this. What levels of covert would those old accounts have now if they had not ascended, 40, 41, 42, 43 etc.

The ascending actually made it easier for lower people to catch up.

Easier to catch up, perhaps. Able to catch up at whatever speed they want? No.
With relation to covert levels, they can be upgraded as fast as you can get the naq to buy them. Ascensions atm will always take 2 weeks each time. No matter how much effort you put into them

MEZZANINE wrote:Currently Id say the best way to move up the ladder for new players is to raid and trade, raid, sell UU and save up to buy a better account off one of the many players leaving the game, in a couple of months a new player can have what someone playing a couple of years has, and with the low cost of highly ascended accounts nowadays a highly active new player can probably advance faster now than at any time in SGW history.

And once all the leaver accounts are bought?

[SlayerS_fith] wrote:my only problem is the time line or cutting it down.
basicly proves that those who'v been here longer then any1 knew will have domanence over them for the better ment over a yer if u tak einto accoutn covert levels. beign sabbing is hell powerful.

Sorry to dissapoint everyone... but I earned my ascenions and if some Noob doesn't like it... To bad... I waited why shouldn't they... Cutting time is bull... and exploitable... Sorry but I think 2 weeks is not exactly alot to ask for

This topic reminds me of when admin was introducing changes to an already dying server we call The Ascended Server, and when he put them in and screwed the guys that ascended years ago, to make it that someone ascending now can catch up in a month, it pretty much is a ghost server now, i dont know any that play it, other than to boost there own numbers to say yaya i did it,

If admin removed ascensions from Main he may aswell post a comment on the login page that says.

On xx day of xx month i will be closing the server, as no one will want to play it again.

All MMO style games like this have a life span, and this one is coming to an end, you have newer players joining, and you have players who are max ascended, and you have players who are throwing $500 a week into there account to make it that no one else can touch them, eventually people get bored, new players get bored with trying to catch up, longer running players get bored with trying to play against someone who will pull the credit card out when they get attacked, this MMO style game is slowly coming to its end.

Legendary Jimster wrote:

Sarevok wrote:True. It is 26, not 30. But why are you missing out the middle 4?

Because I'm not sure what they got as AB... But I think Prophet to AG gets more than AG to Unknown AB wise.

Legendary Jimster.

Admin already answered this 100%.

First 6 ascentions gives you a bonus total of:

30% to all stats
25% Ascended Blessing.

From 7'th and forward your bonus will be following:

+1% to all stats
+2% to Ascended Blessing.

No more and no less.

He made that very clear the numbers was fixed and stayed.

So that means for a 23'rd ascended account it looks like this:

23 - 6 = 17

For Bonus to stats: 30% (First 6 Ascentions) + 17% (The last 17 ascentions) = 47% to all stats.
For Ascended Blessing: 25% (First 6 Ascentions) + 34% (The last 17 * 2) = 59% Ascended Blessing.

The match is so easy take your Ascention lvl minus it with 6 and then you have what you got for stats time that number with 2 and you have what you got in AB.

Sarevok wrote:And once all the leaver accounts are bought?

You assume that at some point everyone who is going to leave has left and all those that are going to stay is what's left. There's always going to be people leaving, coming back, its the nature of these types of games.

shooty08 wrote:

Sarevok wrote:And once all the leaver accounts are bought?

You assume that at some point everyone who is going to leave has left and all those that are going to stay is what's left. There's always going to be people leaving, coming back, its the nature of these types of games.

Lets assume there's 400 active players atm. Now yes, that means 400 new players can take those account. But what if there is 450 people that want to start playing... You will never have positive growth. And when people just don't login? So don't sell to new comers, then the growth is negative

Nimras wrote:

Legendary Jimster wrote:

Sarevok wrote:True. It is 26, not 30. But why are you missing out the middle 4?

Because I'm not sure what they got as AB... But I think Prophet to AG gets more than AG to Unknown AB wise.

Legendary Jimster.

Admin already answered this 100%.

First 6 ascentions gives you a bonus total of:

30% to all stats
25% Ascended Blessing.

From 7'th and forward your bonus will be following:

+1% to all stats
+2% to Ascended Blessing.

No more and no less.

He made that very clear the numbers was fixed and stayed.

So that means for a 23'rd ascended account it looks like this:

23 - 6 = 17

For Bonus to stats: 30% (First 6 Ascentions) + 17% (The last 17 ascentions) = 47% to all stats.
For Ascended Blessing: 25% (First 6 Ascentions) + 34% (The last 17 * 2) = 59% Ascended Blessing.

The match is so easy take your Ascention lvl minus it with 6 and then you have what you got for stats time that number with 2 and you have what you got in AB.

Thanks I wasn't sure whether the AB bonus stopped at LG1 like the stats bonuses or others.

GeneralChaos wrote:This topic reminds me of when admin was introducing changes to an already dying server we call The Ascended Server, and when he put them in and screwed the guys that ascended years ago, to make it that someone ascending now can catch up in a month, it pretty much is a ghost server now, i dont know any that play it, other than to boost there own numbers to say yaya i did it,

And more than half players who had an ascended account didn't even play it at all (dormant accounts) before updates because it was totally unbalanced towards a certain group who had total control of ascended.
Obviously those who miss former ascended are mainly people from GA as they enjoyed control and "regulation" of this server.
Mainly due to the "lovely" raiding function.

Legendary Jimster wrote:

Nimras wrote:

Legendary Jimster wrote:

Sarevok wrote:True. It is 26, not 30. But why are you missing out the middle 4?

Because I'm not sure what they got as AB... But I think Prophet to AG gets more than AG to Unknown AB wise.

Legendary Jimster.

Admin already answered this 100%.

First 6 ascentions gives you a bonus total of:

30% to all stats
25% Ascended Blessing.

From 7'th and forward your bonus will be following:

+1% to all stats
+2% to Ascended Blessing.

No more and no less.

He made that very clear the numbers was fixed and stayed.

So that means for a 23'rd ascended account it looks like this:

23 - 6 = 17

For Bonus to stats: 30% (First 6 Ascentions) + 17% (The last 17 ascentions) = 47% to all stats.
For Ascended Blessing: 25% (First 6 Ascentions) + 34% (The last 17 * 2) = 59% Ascended Blessing.

The match is so easy take your Ascention lvl minus it with 6 and then you have what you got for stats time that number with 2 and you have what you got in AB.

Thanks I wasn't sure whether the AB bonus stopped at LG1 like the stats bonuses or others.

GeneralChaos wrote:This topic reminds me of when admin was introducing changes to an already dying server we call The Ascended Server, and when he put them in and screwed the guys that ascended years ago, to make it that someone ascending now can catch up in a month, it pretty much is a ghost server now, i dont know any that play it, other than to boost there own numbers to say yaya i did it,

And more than half players who had an ascended account didn't even play it at all (dormant accounts) before updates because it was totally unbalanced towards a certain group who had total control of ascended.
Obviously those who miss former ascended are mainly people from GA as they enjoyed control and "regulation" of this server.
Mainly due to the "lovely" raiding function.

Your welcome.

I do not want Ascentions removed i am working my ass of to get to last ascentions JUST BECAUSE I CAN .

My account is over 5 years old i never used Dollars on it nor have i changed account so i am proud of what i have archieve so far on it .

My MS tho sucks like crazy still will change that after last ascentions

Haven't read the whole thread so if this has been mentioned then sorry.

The easiest/fairest way to speed up ascentions again without taking away from what people have already done is to allow multiple ascentions at a time.

Example:

Player X is an AG and wants to ascend. He has 3500 G&R, 300,000 Raw UP, 200m UU, 20m trained troops, and 30t naq.

Player X is given the option of ascending once with the excess being converted into ascension points(or whatever it is) OR ascending multiple times until he no longer has enough resources to meet the minimums.

So Player X chooses the second option; He pays the 1,000 G&R, 80,000 Raw UP, 6m UU, 4.8m trained troops, and 120b naq for EAG. He pays the 1,000 G&R, 90,000 Raw UP, 8.5m UU, 5.8m trained troops, and 150b naq for AGoL. He pays the 1,000 G&R, 100,000 Raw UP, 10m UU, 7m trained troops, and 175b naq for IAG. Since he doesn't meet the minimums for the next ascension all the excess resources are converted into ascension points.

While Player X ascended from AG to IAG all at once he paid a premium to do so. The cost in raw UP was more expensive because instead of building from 0-80k/0-90k/0-100k he built 0-80k/80k-170k/170k-270k. Also he had to maintain the necessary stats for 3x as long as needed for only 1 ascension.





While this doesn't really help those in the later ascensions it does enable those in the early ones to quickly move through the cheap ascensions and could help cut 2-3 months off the total ascension time for new members. It also eases the pain of the first big ascension for some who've stopped somewhere between prior and UK and want to ascend again but not wasted the building up they've already done.

Good idea Wepwaet. Well done.