bigrom script/no script poll

[Forum]

hello,
in aim of fairness, i am opening this to a community vote for ban/no ban.
i believe a script is being used, but the player says no, they are just dedicated.
there are 2 accounts at same house (which is fine if 2 players independent).
the issue here is 'can a live person do this, or is it necessarily a script'


the only evidence i will submit are the login logs shown below. it shows name/time since last login,and seconds since last login.
keep in mind this is continuous - from logs, from time of ban to 500 rows previous. (although the next 500 look similar)

so if it says maximuspl 30 1800 that means maximus logged in, 30mintues (exactly 1800 seconds) since the last time.
the next row with maximuspl may say maximuspl 30 1796 which menas he logged in the time before that, 30 minutes (exactly 1796 seconds) previous, and so on, as you read down the columns. (it goes from most recent, to older....)

the poll will decide the fate of account next week.. so 7days to vote.


name minutesSinceLastLogin secondsSinceLastLogin
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3612
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1796
maximuspl 29 1797
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 29 1788
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1811
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 29 1795
bigrom 59 3596
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3602
maximuspl 29 1794
maximuspl 30 1805
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1786
maximuspl 30 1813
maximuspl 30 1803
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 59 3563
maximuspl 29 1790
maximuspl 30 1812
maximuspl 30 1804
bigrom 0 3
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1792
maximuspl 30 1806
maximuspl 29 1797
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 59 3586
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 59 3575
bigrom 59 3564
maximuspl 29 1796
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 0 27
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3602
maximuspl 29 1787
maximuspl 30 1802
maximuspl 29 1791
maximuspl 30 1809
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3597
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 60 3602
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1803
bigrom 54 3287
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 23 1397
maximuspl 36 2199
bigrom 65 3912
maximuspl 30 1803
bigrom 59 3597
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3596
maximuspl 29 1790
maximuspl 29 1795
bigrom 59 3556
maximuspl 29 1786
maximuspl 29 1771
maximuspl 29 1759
bigrom 0 32
maximuspl 0 29
bigrom 60 3615
maximuspl 30 1814
bigrom 60 3606
maximuspl 30 1805
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1791
maximuspl 30 1808
bigrom 34 2077
maximuspl 3 181
maximuspl 26 1614
bigrom 55 3323
maximuspl 30 1804
name minutesSinceLastLogin secondsSinceLastLogin
maximuspl 29 1796
bigrom 59 3597
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 59 3595
maximuspl 29 1797
bigrom 59 3595
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1794
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 60 3604
maximuspl 29 1790
maximuspl 30 1810
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 29 1771
maximuspl 0 27
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 59 3587
maximuspl 29 1764
maximuspl 0 3
maximuspl 29 1784
maximuspl 29 1747
bigrom 59 3556
maximuspl 0 28
maximuspl 0 27
maximuspl 30 1811
bigrom 0 22
bigrom 0 28
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3597
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3589
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 60 3612
bigrom 60 3602
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 29 1797
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1768
maximuspl 0 28
bigrom 59 3594
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1788
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 29 1789
maximuspl 30 1804
maximuspl 29 1794
maximuspl 30 1806
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 59 3585
maximuspl 30 1802
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3616
maximuspl 29 1781
maximuspl 30 1804
maximuspl 30 1813
maximuspl 30 1804
bigrom 59 3544
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 0 21
bigrom 56 3371
maximuspl 29 1786
maximuspl 29 1756
maximuspl 29 1746
bigrom 0 39
bigrom 63 3815
maximuspl 30 1854
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 29 1791
maximuspl 30 1809
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3591
maximuspl 29 1791
maximuspl 30 1804
bigrom 60 3604
maximuspl 30 1800
name minutesSinceLastLogin secondsSinceLastLogin
bigrom 59 3589
maximuspl 29 1789
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 30 1813
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 30 1804
bigrom 59 3591
maximuspl 29 1758
maximuspl 0 26
maximuspl 29 1778
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 29 1767
bigrom 59 3587
maximuspl 30 1832
bigrom 60 3613
bigrom 60 3603
maximuspl 29 1793
maximuspl 29 1775
maximuspl 29 1766
maximuspl 0 27
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1783
bigrom 59 3597
maximuspl 30 1815
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 59 3590
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1790
bigrom 59 3566
maximuspl 30 1808
bigrom 59 3556
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1757
maximuspl 0 19
bigrom 0 28
maximuspl 30 1814
bigrom 60 3613
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1794
maximuspl 30 1804
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3588
maximuspl 29 1762
maximuspl 30 1825
bigrom 60 3607
maximuspl 29 1793
maximuspl 30 1812
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 29 1797
bigrom 59 3597
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3583
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1781
bigrom 60 3618
maximuspl 30 1818
maximuspl 30 1806
bigrom 60 3605
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3597
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1796
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1794
maximuspl 30 1802
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3602
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 29 1761
bigrom 59 3593
maximuspl 0 3
name minutesSinceLastLogin secondsSinceLastLogin
maximuspl 29 1796
bigrom 60 3603
maximuspl 30 1803
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3596
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 60 3603
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 59 3597
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1786
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1813
maximuspl 30 1803
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1763
maximuspl 0 28
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 29 1795
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3597
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 59 3587
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1787
bigrom 60 3617
maximuspl 30 1813
bigrom 60 3605
maximuspl 30 1802
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3596
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 59 3588
maximuspl 29 1797
bigrom 60 3610
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 30 1803
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 59 3591
maximuspl 29 1796
bigrom 60 3607
maximuspl 29 1755
maximuspl 0 22
maximuspl 30 1820
maximuspl 30 1804
bigrom 59 3589
maximuspl 29 1796
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3609
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1763
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1835
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3602
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 59 3584
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 60 3613
bigrom 60 3603
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3588
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1787
maximuspl 30 1811
bigrom 60 3610
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3570
name minutesSinceLastLogin secondsSinceLastLogin
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3623
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 29 1797
maximuspl 29 1787
bigrom 59 3595
maximuspl 30 1811
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3602
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3566
maximuspl 29 1798
bigrom 0 27
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1796
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3597
maximuspl 29 1797
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3594
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 60 3608
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 59 3591
maximuspl 29 1794
bigrom 60 3604
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 29 1789
maximuspl 30 1812
maximuspl 30 1802
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1763
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1834
maximuspl 29 1793
bigrom 59 3590
maximuspl 29 1796
bigrom 60 3610
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 29 1790
maximuspl 30 1809
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 59 3595
maximuspl 29 1795
bigrom 60 3604
maximuspl 30 1801
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1789
bigrom 59 3599
maximuspl 30 1810
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3650
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1798
maximuspl 29 1797
bigrom 59 3548
maximuspl 0 53
maximuspl 29 1748
bigrom 60 3600
maximuspl 29 1796
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1799
bigrom 60 3601
maximuspl 30 1801
bigrom 59 3598
maximuspl 29 1799
maximuspl 29 1798

[Jim]

What about action they took when they logged in? Just banked or did hey actively attack people?

[Rudy Peña]

I say ban them.

[Empy]

What about action they took when they logged in? Just banked or did hey actively attack people?

Same question.

Besides that even ... no one can log in exactly every 30 minutes as much as he did. If I understood correctly.

[ƒëmmë ƒatalë]

so he logged in 1000 times exactly 30mins apart with no breaks in between?
500hrs with no sleep, work, school, eating etc?

If that is what you are saying he did, then yes ban him/them.

[Baxter]

nobody is that perfect
and certainly not for 500 hours straight (if thats what it is)

[Ghoul]

Seems a little fishy that one perfectly does it at 30mins and the other at an hour.

I am assuming that they were consecutive records.

[IceBreaker]

Investigate more and ban ...

[Apophis]

Me And Clarkey Massed Him, Then Hit Him For A Few Turn Changes After... Instead Of Taking Any Normal Action ie; Retraining Spies, Rebuilding Defense The Only Occurrences That Continued To Take Place During And Afterwards Were Those Reported In This Thread :

viewtopic.php?f=209&t=172792&p=2184469&hilit=maximuspl#p2184469


The Account Hit PPT A Number Of Hours Later From What I Can Remember And It Seemed The User Had Logged In (manually) Saw He Had Been Massed, Then Turned The Script Off While Under Protection Presumably To Gather Resourse to Repair The Damages.
If He Was Actually Online, He Would Of Hit PPT Along Time Before He Did Instead Of Repeating The Exact Same Action Over And Over (thats is when he didnt loose his turn income - if it got swiped the script would stop at what ever it was doing untill the next change)

They Were Banned Before That PPT Ended.

I'd Say On Occasion A Human User Did Log In, But No Doubt Was Also Using A Script.

Clarkey Explained It Better :
[spoiler]

After staking out this account for several turns, I have discovered what exactly changes on the account.

The account trains 955 miners per turn.
It trains 3,818 super defenders per turn.
It increases raw UP by 6 per turn.
It increases MS per turn.

The current turn it did not train the miners and the defenders only got as far as normal not supers. But the UP did increase by 6 and MS was stronger. The miners and defenders may have been interrupted if someone farmed him.

I know the MS increases because each time i hit him after a turn change his MS is slightly stronger.

The account spends approximately 21,478,737,000 naq per turn.

Super defenders x 3,818 = 347,438,000
Miners x 955 = 1,432,500
UP x 6 (at current level) = 2,082,495,000

That's 2,431,365,500

That leaves 19,047,371,500 to spend on MS and possibly banking..

That explains where the naq goes.

Now one could say he has multiple windows or tabs open to carry out all these actions at the same time. Possible, but unlikely. Reason I believe it is unlikely that there is a HUMAN BEING on the account is because his defence was massed to 0 and therefore when the turn changed and 3,817 super defenders were trained, and then again next turn when 3,818 normal defenders were trained there were no weapons purchased.

[/spoiler]

[Clarkey]

the only evidence i will submit are the login logs shown below. it shows name/time since last login,and seconds since last login.
keep in mind this is continuous - from logs, from time of ban to 500 rows previous. (although the next 500 look similar)

Jason, taking out the bigrom ones and leaving maximus it appears as if the account was logged in to approx 330 times in a row at each turn change, without any turn changes being missed.

330 occurences = 330 '30' minute sessions = 165 hours = 6.875 days.

I don't think there is anyone that dedicated in this game that will login every turn change for a whole week. He did not sleep?

The majority of them look like this:
maximuspl 30 1800
maximuspl 29 1796

Could you say at all what happened on these occasions:
a) maximuspl 30 1808
b) bigrom 34 2077
c) maximuspl 3 181
d) maximuspl 26 1614

The reason I pick this out is because most of the occasions are 29 or 30 minutes. However, from what i can see (c) occured 3 minutes after (a) (i'm guessing it got farmed before it banked) and then funnily enough (d) happened 26 minutes later, which if added to the time on (c) equals 29.

Also which seems odd in that group is that (b) is 34 minutes, when generally all the others are 59 or 60. Funny how this one is different at the same time that maximuspl ones differ.

[GOLDEN WING]

ban like everyone alse has said nobody is that perfect no mistakes at all thats def a script maby some sort of bot?

[Lithium]

first if u know their time zone u can guess when its their off line time (night sleep) then check if the scripts run. but still login that much in a short time is insane for one figure out for two , still this cant be taken as a prof. if smone is able to log on/off in several hours and it cant be proven by technical profs then its not fair to ban. judging over common sense its not legal or fair.

u can ban one hopping a lesson has been learn .

[Clarkey]

first if u know their time zone u can guess when its their off line time (night sleep) then check if the scripts run. but still login that much in a short time is insane for one figure out for two , still this cant be taken as a prof. if smone is able to log on/off in several hours and it cant be proven by technical profs then its not fair to ban. judging over common sense its not legal or fair.

u can ban one hopping a lesson has been learn .

In this particular case knowing their time zone means nothing. This account was logged in to for 7 days straight covering every single 30 minute turn change. Time zone doesn't matter when it's such a long time period.

His excuse of being dedicated to playing the game is lame. not once did he reply to messages, not once did he hit back. He did not "play" the game whatsoever. The only thing he was dedicated to was seeing through a money making opportunity that he could benefit from every 30 minutes without even doing anything. Now that he got caught and punished suddenly he is "dedicated" to the game.

[Lithium]

act i didnt understood the logs or paid more then few secs to read em , now i see theres some days they log within the same time.

were the accounts heavy in size? if they were small then i think its a test script to check what can happen

[Clarkey]

act i didnt understood the logs or paid more then few secs to read em , now i see theres some days they log within the same time.

No Lith you're still not quite getting it. I'll explain using a small section, only focusing on maximuspl.

a) maximuspl 30 1800
bigrom 60 3612
bigrom 60 3601
b) maximuspl 30 1800
c) maximuspl 29 1796
d) maximuspl 29 1797
bigrom 59 3599
e) maximuspl 30 1801
f) maximuspl 29 1788
bigrom 59 3599
g) maximuspl 30 1811
h) maximuspl 30 1801
i) maximuspl 29 1798


Now to begin with don't concern yourself with what days these occur on because it doesn't matter.
Let's start with (b). When the maximuspl account was logged in to at the time of (b) it was exactly 30 minutes (1800 seconds) after the previous login (a).

The maximuspl account was next logged in at (c) which was 29 minutes (1796 seconds) after login (b).

Taking out all of the bigrom logs from the list that Jason provided shows approx 330 logins, none of which ever went over 30 minutes. If there were gaps in logins or he didn't login for a day for example there would be a log that shows the login being in excess of 30 minutes after the previous login.

For example:

1) maximuspl 30 1800
2) maximuspl 60 3600
3) maximuspl 300 18000
4) maximuspl 1440 86400

1) This one shows maximuspl logging in 30 minutes after previous login.
2) This one shows maximuspl logging in 60 minutes after previous login.
3) This one shows maximuspl logging in 300 minutes (5 hours) after previous login.
4) This one shows maximuspl logging in 1440 minutes (24 hours) after previous login.

As you can see now from Jasons logs that there were no occurences where there was a gap between turn changes and it never went higher than 30 minutes.

When you say "now i see theres some days they log within the same time." that is not really the point here because i'm sure there's loads of people that login every 30 minutes for a while. The point being made here is that maximuspl account was logged in to every single 30 minutes for 7 days straight (maybe more if there were more logs).

Lith, can you really think someone logged in to their account every 30 minutes every day for 7 days straight?