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Problem about admin giving back account is that the disclaimer says:

NOTE: Kingdom Games, StarGateWars, the forum admin, the game admin, TAKE ABSOLUTELY NO RESPONSIBILITY FOR CURRENCY TRADES outside of the game itself. We simply cannot monitor/validate/track/prove/disprove/confirm or deny the details, or if they happened.
Many are scams - and just because they are here, or are by recognizable players/people, does not change this.
IF YOU TRADE FOR REAL CURRENCY, AND GET SCAMMED OR DONT GET WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU SHOULD, WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU, so do not even ask...The answer is "Sorry. We cannot help you. You just lost your money."

[16:51:36] <adminGone> the asc account can always be reset to the main details

[16:52:13] <adminGone> i do not remember doing any acct changes recently, but if a asc users ssays 'make it like main' and the account is the mains' account, i do it.

I dont see this as a fair reply. if im not wrong there isnt any automatic option to reset the ascended account to main logins. Also if a user asks for it Admin should check if the accounts match in details because that account main and ascended had two different emails and password, which leads to believe that the account had been stolen or sold (not in a proper way) and Admin does not take responsibilities of $ trades out of the game system. Since he isnt responsible then he cannot help any party.

If he stands to his point that the main owner has the right to ask for it no matter how he/she got the account then i ve to remind here the issue that happened a couple of years ago when several accounts dropped from vacation and their units were being stolen. no matter how those acc were stolen admin chased who was doing it and who was getting the resources.

If you own the Main, you own the ascended account. They are linked. The few 'mainless' ascended accounts still in circulation are exceptions.
Main creates Ascended. So, anyone owning main, can request their ascended account to be reset.

How is that not fair?


It's like selling a car, but keeping the engine block as insurance for the buyer to pay you. When your buyer goes to the car shop and asks for a new engine block, do you go crazy on his ass? No. It's a poor choice to keep the engine block.

Juliette wrote:If you own the Main, you own the ascended account. They are linked. The few 'mainless' ascended accounts still in circulation are exceptions.
Main creates Ascended. So, anyone owning main, can request their ascended account to be reset.

How is that not fair?


It's like selling a car, but keeping the engine block as insurance for the buyer to pay you. When your buyer goes to the car shop and asks for a new engine block, do you go crazy on his ass? No. It's a poor choice to keep the engine block.

you go to court actually ...

I would hate to see how many people have paid cash or resources for an account never to be able to log in to ascended if Admin didn't match the ascended login with main. I myself have had to go to Jason twice to get the ascended login details.

Rocky wrote:

Juliette wrote:If you own the Main, you own the ascended account. They are linked. The few 'mainless' ascended accounts still in circulation are exceptions.
Main creates Ascended. So, anyone owning main, can request their ascended account to be reset.
How is that not fair?

It's like selling a car, but keeping the engine block as insurance for the buyer to pay you. When your buyer goes to the car shop and asks for a new engine block, do you go crazy on his ass? No. It's a poor choice to keep the engine block.

you go to court actually ...

Indeed. But you don't sue the car manufacturer, or the car shop.. Do you?

muffafuffin wrote:I would hate to see how many people have paid cash or resources for an account never to be able to log in to ascended if Admin didn't match the ascended login with main. I myself have had to go to Jason twice to get the ascended login details.

Exactly.

He did not own the Main at that time though.

He just had access to it.

Either way. I am pretty certain Jason has returned accounts before, scammed or otherwise.

For Jason, having correct user details is owning the account.
There is no other means of distinguishing for him, this is the very reason the disclaimer exists.

The few hacked accounts that were returned were proven 'stolen' due to different people logging in at the same time with the same credentials, and the 'newest' one of the people logging in changing the details / setting up unequal trades, among other things.

Disgracefull if found to be true , strange how no reply from ace :s? Makes accused look guilty

Eärendil wrote:

Juliette wrote:For Jason, having correct user details is owning the account.
There is no other means of distinguishing for him, this is the very reason the disclaimer exists.

Then, Cali had the correct details to the ascended account =/

You own the main, you own the ascended. That is how Jason handles these situations.
This is a simple system. It often happened in the past that ascended accounts were left to rot by people who sold their main account.

Sucks to be on the receiving end.. do talk to Jason. I for one would be interested to see how consistently he will handle this matter.

as a long time player, and member of UE, i do find this all abit upsetting...i have messaged ace and asked him to clear this up. he has messaged me back and is now aware of this thread. lets see what he has to say first.

Yes before hanging him, lets hear his side.

We established that before; hear two sides before anyone should be passing whatever judgement we, as a community, could pass.
The only reason the 'suspicion' is rising is due to repeated attempts at contacting Ace, and where he has been more than forthcoming in providing us with replies to earlier questions, he has been rather quiet if not completely silent on this matter. He might have a good reason for that, though.

Oh well. The technical aspect is clear, or so I think.. the moral aspect and the question of guilt remain open however..

Juliette wrote:If you own the Main, you own the ascended account. They are linked. The few 'mainless' ascended accounts still in circulation are exceptions.
Main creates Ascended. So, anyone owning main, can request their ascended account to be reset.

How is that not fair?


It's like selling a car, but keeping the engine block as insurance for the buyer to pay you. When your buyer goes to the car shop and asks for a new engine block, do you go crazy on his ass? No. It's a poor choice to keep the engine block.

in fact Ace took possession of the main account by cheating another member, ok there is no policy to prevent it and admin isnt responsible. but how come 2 players have access to one account??? shouldnt the account be banned ???? Cali has accessed his ascended acc few times while Ace was playing main this means that there isnt any policy to prevent it. i see the policy of multing failing here.

the example isnt accurate at all, should be like selling the car but taking as insurance all documents so if the car is stolen its little use.

Admin has a policy/rule that removes his responsibility from swapping, selling, changing accounts. its a trade not done by the game system. following the logic of this policy he shall not cooperate with any player asking his account details to be reset or change.

he has to stick the rules he set
IF YOU TRADE FOR REAL CURRENCY, AND GET SCAMMED OR DONT GET WHAT YOU THOUGHT YOU SHOULD, WE CANNOT DO ANYTHING TO HELP YOU, so do not even ask...The answer is "Sorry. We cannot help you. You just lost your money."

Cali lost his account and admin said sorry , Ace didnt got whole account logins and admin reseted it after Ace asked him. why he didnt said sorry u traded an account with cash , u got scammed or did not get what u bought but i cant do anything.....instead he cooperated.

im sorry but its not fair .....

i want to add smth else. since the trade between the two cannot be proven what happens if cali claims the account was stolen, that he did not shared the details voluntary but rather had them lost or hacked?
nothing can prove he gave them , even a print screen or a msn convo can be taken as prove as it can be faked any time .

would admin restore back the account??? these game has poor policies just to cover one ass thats all