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From Transparency International published in Le Monde, french newspaper.


Not surprising, Italy and Greece happen to be the two bad students of the "EU of 15" (shows how big is the problem for these two nations). Eastern Europe is concerned too.
Not surprising either to see nations like Venezuela, North Korea, Myanmar, Somalia, Cuba and former USSR republics of central Asia and many regimes from Africa to be among the most corrupt nations. However, it seems that Russia's fighting policy against corruption of the early 2000s seem to have disappeared or at least isn't successful anymore.

One can notice exemplary nations like Botswana, Uruguay, Chile, Iceland. (outside of "Triad"*/Commonwealth nations who are most exemplary in this area). Rest of the world seem to be involved in corruption pretty much. Yellow= least corrupt nations. Red/Dark red: most corrupt nations.

What do you think?


* United States, Japan, Western Europe.

LOL@Uk being amongst least corrupt nations!

If red=more corrupt than yellow, then UK needs to be a VERY dark red. in short, aside from the US, the UK is 1 of the most corrupt nations on the planet...


That's what i think of your chart!

*screams bias*

[KMA]Avenger wrote:LOL@Uk being amongst least corrupt nations!

If red=more corrupt than yellow, then UK needs to be a VERY dark red. in short, aside from the US, the UK is 1 of the most corrupt nations on the planet...


That's what i think of your chart!

Maybe because with your standards you consider UK to be corrupt, but did it cross your mind that their map doesn't mean that UK is barely corrupt in absolute terms, but compared to the average of corruption in the world with the criteria they use, countries in yellow and orange can be considered as examples (meaning they are much less corrupt but doesn't mean they aren't corrupt)?
Why would the red countries in this map be less corrupt than UK just because you consider UK to be corrupt?

Every nation is just as corrupt as the next, the difference is that some nations corruption is out in the open while others are under the table..

One should not be afraid of nations that display corruption out in the open, one should be afraid of the nations that hide there corruption under the table..

At the end of the day, MAN is greedy no matter what there skin colour is or what religion they follow.

~BrunoDaOzzy~ wrote:Every nation is just as corrupt as the next, the difference is that some nations corruption is out in the open while others are under the table..

One should not be afraid of nations that display corruption out in the open, one should be afraid of the nations that hide there corruption under the table..

At the end of the day, MAN is greedy no matter what there skin colour is or what religion they follow.

This kind of argument would be very popular among the red/dark red listed nations' leaders. That's even probably one of the arguments they would use to defend their actions and protest against their classification, to justify their actions instead of avoiding them.

Legendary Apophis wrote:

~BrunoDaOzzy~ wrote:Every nation is just as corrupt as the next, the difference is that some nations corruption is out in the open while others are under the table..

One should not be afraid of nations that display corruption out in the open, one should be afraid of the nations that hide there corruption under the table..

At the end of the day, MAN is greedy no matter what there skin colour is or what religion they follow.

This kind of argument would be very popular among the red/dark red listed nations' leaders. That's even probably one of the arguments they would use to defend their actions and protest against their classification.

Mate, it is 100% true...

Give me 1 nation that is NOT corrupt...

Legendary Apophis wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:LOL@Uk being amongst least corrupt nations!

If red=more corrupt than yellow, then UK needs to be a VERY dark red. in short, aside from the US, the UK is 1 of the most corrupt nations on the planet...


That's what i think of your chart!

Maybe because with your standards you consider UK to be corrupt, but did it cross your mind that their map doesn't mean that UK is barely corrupt in absolute terms, but compared to the average of corruption in the world with the criteria they use, countries in yellow and orange can be considered as examples (meaning they are much less corrupt but doesn't mean they aren't corrupt)?
Why would the red countries in this map be less corrupt than UK just because you consider UK to be corrupt?

Yes Jim, that all occurred to me, BUT the city of London (the UK's financial centre) along with Wall Street and the central banks engineered the financial mess the world is in.

The UK is at the heart of most of the corruption in the world, including using the US as the UK's military muscle.

~BrunoDaOzzy~ wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

~BrunoDaOzzy~ wrote:Every nation is just as corrupt as the next, the difference is that some nations corruption is out in the open while others are under the table..

One should not be afraid of nations that display corruption out in the open, one should be afraid of the nations that hide there corruption under the table..

At the end of the day, MAN is greedy no matter what there skin colour is or what religion they follow.

This kind of argument would be very popular among the red/dark red listed nations' leaders. That's even probably one of the arguments they would use to defend their actions and protest against their classification.

Mate, it is 100% true...

Give me 1 nation that is NOT corrupt...

As I said, this map isn't about which nation is 100% free of corruption, but which nations are more involved into corruption activities than others. Thus the difference of color, and why no nation is "white" (absence of corruption). Belittling corruption of red nations to highlight fact the yellow ones also have corruption, is indeed a probable argument of defense from the red color nations' leaders. I don't see the point to use that argument, but oh well..

[KMA]Avenger wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:

[KMA]Avenger wrote:LOL@Uk being amongst least corrupt nations!

If red=more corrupt than yellow, then UK needs to be a VERY dark red. in short, aside from the US, the UK is 1 of the most corrupt nations on the planet...


That's what i think of your chart!

Maybe because with your standards you consider UK to be corrupt, but did it cross your mind that their map doesn't mean that UK is barely corrupt in absolute terms, but compared to the average of corruption in the world with the criteria they use, countries in yellow and orange can be considered as examples (meaning they are much less corrupt but doesn't mean they aren't corrupt)?
Why would the red countries in this map be less corrupt than UK just because you consider UK to be corrupt?

Yes Jim, that all occurred to me, BUT the city of London (the UK's financial centre) along with Wall Street and the central banks engineered the financial mess the world is in.

The UK is at the heart of most of the corruption in the world, including using the US as the UK's military muscle.

I believe this map isn't about the financial markets transactions but different scales of nations' corruption. (politicians, administrations..)
If it was about money-hiding, I believe Switzerland wouldn't have same color lol.

I see what your saying, and it goes without saying that banks and bankers wouldn't have been able to do what they have done if politicians hadn't also been involved from the start being bought and paid for by lobbyists working for the bankers to remove all the banking regulations that were put in place as safe guards after the great depression of the 20's and 30's...

My point being, that as the financial capital of the world, the city of London is as corrupt as hell and that chart should show the UK as a red not a yellow.

I guess none of you actually understand the charts presented. They are not representative of factual corruption, but PERCEIVED corruption. Perception doesn't dictate reality.

Wikipedia article about CPI wrote:The CPI measures perception of corruption due to the difficulty of measuring absolute levels of corruption.

That's what I said, it's not about absolute levels of corruption. Too much of a problem to quantify it on absolute exact levels.
Now probably that this perception system isn't perfect, but I'm sure the above map is not so unlikely to display close-to-reality situation.

Figures like these always make me laugh, what the hell are they based on ?

The only corruption that can be reported as fact are the ones that got caught and proved in a court of law, the rest is just speculation. So are the 'more corrupt' nations listed just places where you are more likely to be caught, or do the 'less corruption' nations have laws that permit corruption or make it harder to prove ?

What definition of corruption is used ? Are we talking bribes, or are we including self interest and lobbying ?



IMO the nations listed as 'more corrupt' are simply more overt about it, and those listed as 'less corrupt' are just better at hiding it or doing it within legal loopholes. The old adage that power corrupts is universal and still holds true.