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As a byproduct of this thread viewtopic.php?f=32&t=195959&start=30, I'm doing what I should have done awhile ago and made the APP -> LF conversion automatically occur so I can moderate it into a supplement to farming, not (as it is) a direct injection of steroids into the eyeball.

What effectively will happen is this:
- APP will convert automatically into LF every turn change, down to 18k app ish still allowing for turn conversions ( remembering for every turn conversion all app will be converted anyway).
- APP to lf soft cap will be removed as it would be illogical (100 t per 5 months).
- The larger your planet count the more LF you will convert automatically per turn change. Vice versa the smaller your planet count is (trying not to give too much power to noobs).
- The change plateaus at 400 bill per turn and maximizes at 1 trill.

Currently:
100 trill @ 10 bill planet count will be converted in 154 days
100 trill @ 20 bill planet count will be converted in 130 days
100 trill @ 1 bill = 250 days

I have created a basic rigorous model if you wish to see what I'm thinking (or talking about):
http://ascended.gatewars.com/lfperturn.php

So those of us who have fully ascended can make ~110Q a week if they hit for +300t.
Those who weren't TUKs before the APP became valuable again on the other hand (assuming they have only 10bil army) can make 150Q a week when hitting for +300t.
Almost 50% more. How is that fair?

Loki™ wrote:So those of us who have fully ascended can make ~110Q a week if they hit for +300t.
Those who weren't TUKs before the APP became valuable again on the other hand (assuming they have only 10bil army) can make 150Q a week when hitting for +300t.
Almost 50% more. How is that fair?

....what? I'm failing to see how this has any relevance to the change... I'm just making it so people can't bulk convert APP, i'm slowing down how they get it to allow farmers to 'keep up'.

So if you convert APP to turns, will it only take 18k of the APP now as opposed to all of your APP?

Mathlord wrote:So if you convert APP to turns, will it only take 18k of the APP now as opposed to all of your APP?

It will still take it all, otherwise I'll have to think of amounts to stop the auto conversion at, people will want their own preferences on it etc.

Sol wrote:

Loki™ wrote:So those of us who have fully ascended can make ~110Q a week if they hit for +300t.
Those who weren't TUKs before the APP became valuable again on the other hand (assuming they have only 10bil army) can make 150Q a week when hitting for +300t.
Almost 50% more. How is that fair?

....what? I'm failing to see how this has any relevance to the change... I'm just making it so people can't bulk convert APP, i'm slowing down how they get it to allow farmers to 'keep up'.

They still make more. Imo it should be only a bit better option than the turns.

Of course ascending people make more (potentially, anyway). They still have their ascensions to go. Would you request ascensions have no effect on Ascended whatsoever? Would that be your idea of 'fair'? Or what do you propose?


I like that it gives the option of converting more, Sol, but I think the previous system worked perfectly - perfectly enough to keep, anyway. Converting more seems .. unbalancing. Maybe.




Also, you calculating page does not work. It gives me negative numbers all the time.

Juliette wrote:Of course ascending people make more (potentially, anyway). They still have their ascensions to go. Would you request ascensions have no effect on Ascended whatsoever? Would that be your idea of 'fair'? Or what do you propose?


I like that it gives the option of converting more, Sol, but I think the previous system worked perfectly - perfectly enough to keep, anyway. Converting more seems .. unbalancing. Maybe.




Also, you calculating page does not work. It gives me negative numbers all the time.

Option of converting more? Not sure if you're mistaking it with having more = more converted per day.

What numbers are you putting in? It will finish on a negative number but ya that's expected .
Try and put in LFC as 100,000,000,000,000 and p count as 10,000,000,000

Wait. P count = APP, right? edit: Discovered I am wrong. P = planet. -_-



Yeah, I do that all the time. Point remains, albeit that you were the one to invest enough to get that substantial aid to begin with.
Of course to convert stuff, you need to HAVE stuff. But if I ascend now with 2M raw, I get 1,250,001,875 APP. Used to be, that would take 5x5=25 months=750 days (because 542T LFC).
Now, if I do the same thing, I - having 10B planets - get my full LFC in 209 days. That seems a bit quick. (I like it, but you get my point now?)



(Ah yes. I figured it out. P count = planets, and LFC is the converted amount of APP? Then it works. I think..)

Juliette wrote:Wait. P count = APP, right? edit: Discovered I am wrong. P = planet. -_-



Yeah, I do that all the time. Point remains, albeit that you were the one to invest enough to get that substantial aid to begin with.
Of course to convert stuff, you need to HAVE stuff. But if I ascend now with 2M raw, I get 1,250,001,875 APP. Used to be, that would take 5x5=25 months=750 days (because 542T LFC).
Now, if I do the same thing, I - having 10B planets - get my full LFC in 209 days. That seems a bit quick. (I like it, but you get my point now?)



(Ah yes. I figured it out. P count = planets, and LFC is the converted amount of APP? Then it works. I think..)

yay.

And yeah, one of the reasons I put up this thread still some minor adjustments in the functions, this bad boy needs to converge faster.

I like this. Considering I have only ascended 4 or so times, I can have a whole lot of ascensions ahead of me with huge APP. I may not be able to convert all at once, but I wouldn't have to worry about that. This effectively means I can just build up and ascend with enough to make any amount of LP I want given daily conversion time. This probably means I wont ascend again for like a year LOL.

Juliette wrote:Of course ascending people make more (potentially, anyway). They still have their ascensions to go. Would you request ascensions have no effect on Ascended whatsoever? Would that be your idea of 'fair'? Or what do you propose?


I like that it gives the option of converting more, Sol, but I think the previous system worked perfectly - perfectly enough to keep, anyway. Converting more seems .. unbalancing. Maybe.




Also, you calculating page does not work. It gives me negative numbers all the time.

Well someone putting a lot into their ascensions could have enough APP for 2300tril LF in when they are done ascending while those of us who got to TUK before sol's time didn't have any use for APP.

Loki™ wrote:

Juliette wrote:Of course ascending people make more (potentially, anyway). They still have their ascensions to go. Would you request ascensions have no effect on Ascended whatsoever? Would that be your idea of 'fair'? Or what do you propose?


I like that it gives the option of converting more, Sol, but I think the previous system worked perfectly - perfectly enough to keep, anyway. Converting more seems .. unbalancing. Maybe.




Also, you calculating page does not work. It gives me negative numbers all the time.

Well someone putting a lot into their ascensions could have enough APP for 2300tril LF in when they are done ascending while those of us who got to TUK before sol's time didn't have any use for APP.

This is why I'm adjusting the function to allow for a slow continuous release.

Sol wrote:

Loki™ wrote:

Juliette wrote:Of course ascending people make more (potentially, anyway). They still have their ascensions to go. Would you request ascensions have no effect on Ascended whatsoever? Would that be your idea of 'fair'? Or what do you propose?


I like that it gives the option of converting more, Sol, but I think the previous system worked perfectly - perfectly enough to keep, anyway. Converting more seems .. unbalancing. Maybe.




Also, you calculating page does not work. It gives me negative numbers all the time.

Well someone putting a lot into their ascensions could have enough APP for 2300tril LF in when they are done ascending while those of us who got to TUK before sol's time didn't have any use for APP.

This is why I'm adjusting the function to allow for a slow continuous release.

This is better but they still can get a significant amount of DMU more than other players for year's. What I'd like to suggest is reducing the possible max amount of LF gained per ascension.

Loki™ wrote:This is better but they still can get a significant amount of DMU more than other players for year's. What I'd like to suggest is reducing the possible max amount of LF gained per ascension.

Haha! That is something Sol has no say over. Go talk to Forum about this.

*grin* Not that he will ever agree to such a thing.