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the government closing has made me think of one thing. How when I was young I was proud to be under a government that I thought was there to help us. I was taught, we are the bosses, and they will listen with care, etc, etc. Obviously growing older I knew better, but I never really "gave" up on them cause I wanted to believe that not only did my votes matter, but I had a choice.. the events in the last month have made me give up on them all..

here is the thing, when you are given a job, 9 times out of 10 you do your job, and if you do not do your job, you are held accountable for this and proper measure are taken to reprimand you for doing wrong. So, depending what said company you work for policy is eventually if you strew up enough you will be fired.. How long our these people going to get to **Filtered** up, when they all (both parties) have the most responsible job in the USA.. I thought it went like this.

"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

Not one nation under congress and liberty and justice for Senate and Congress..

IDK, just a rant feel free to discuss...

That's deep...

(This topic is going to better than the news.)

I know along. All alonggg..
I'm meant to be all alone
Out there on my own..

religion and gun law are too powerful in deciding who runs your country, thats whats messing you up.

you have too many crazies and not enough policies

Guild wrote:religion and gun law are too powerful in deciding who runs your country, thats whats messing you up.

Religion ? Is anyone even religous these days. All ive been hearing for the past 5 years is that all the churces in USA and Europe are empty/being sold. I doubt you can blame something that is no more

I think you are taking these charts too literally. Being religous and saying you are on some survey is something completelly different.
Anyway, i dont want this thread to become another religous topic, sorry Les

Noone wrote:I think you are taking these charts too literally. Being religous and saying you are on some survey is something completelly different.
Anyway, i dont want this thread to become another religous topic, sorry Les

The bible-states have way too much power over the US.

-KJ

Kjarkur wrote:

Noone wrote:I think you are taking these charts too literally. Being religous and saying you are on some survey is something completelly different.
Anyway, i dont want this thread to become another religous topic, sorry Les

The bible-states have way too much power over the US.

-KJ

meh.. they are one nation under God.. after all. (what God, is yet to be seen)

All things change in time.

No one section or affiliation in this country has sway over the other, and that is the problem. Two parties. Splitting government. Maintaining this ridiculous blockade preventing anything from getting done. If people weren't so invested in supporting one or the other..."good guy" or "bad guy" depending on everyone's individual perspective...more could be done. Our two party system works well in good times or when people are willing to cooperate, but the last ten years have turned politics so nasty in this country and filled with such hate that it's mildly surprising we're not suggesting we should go kill each other to support each of our own ideologies.

Republicans are terrorists and Democrats are somewhere between Fascists and Communists depending on the day in the media. Another day in Washington.

well you can guarantee that no matter who is in charge, they will **Filtered** it up eventually lol

fem fatale wrote:

Kjarkur wrote:

Noone wrote:I think you are taking these charts too literally. Being religous and saying you are on some survey is something completelly different.
Anyway, i dont want this thread to become another religous topic, sorry Les

The bible-states have way too much power over the US.

-KJ

meh.. they are one nation under God.. after all. (what God, is yet to be seen)

Mammon.

One nation under Cthulhu.

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Also moved to the right section. ^_^

That's it... Former studying political theorist jumping in on this one...

A) Too much government (control) leads to oppression, dominance of the peoples, and no regime change. SO! What does that tell us? Less government control, less dominance of the peoples, and peaceful regime changes are the way to go, correct?

Let's further elaborate on this premise then. "Democrats" have held Senate control for how long? Since the Clinton Administration? And SINCE THEN we have elected a two term Republican President who did manage to muscle his way into a war that we didn't need to be in (admittedly), and a Democratic President who has more than doubled our previous 8 year debt under Bush, and wishes to spend MORE American tax dollars funding a program that WILL ruin public health care programs. Leaving the United State Federal Gov't in control of the peoples health and how they should be taken care of (forgive my trailing prepositions).

NEXT, we have labeled the Republican party with the stigma of the NO party. Let's further elaborate on that... Obama when he FIRST ran for his Presidency, wanted to start a program GRANTING money to all incoming college students (amounts never really determined by campaign). Who shot that plan down if the DEMOCRATS HAD CONTROL OF THE HOUSE AND SENATE IN 2008? So all you young college students, such as myself, who is saying no? And/or lying?

In addition, Obama also ran on the platform NOT to have programs in which the privacy of American citizens would be invaded... Where did that take him? Earlier this year, he came out and PUBLICLY STATED 'we must have these programs in place in order to save American lives'. If we were in the business of saving lives, which clearly we aren't by the way... We would pull our hegemonic stance in the Middle East for foreign trade allies and focus INWARD on increasing spending OUTSIDE THE GOVERNMENT.

Having said that, I will lastly say that I am a devout Conservative, and a practicing actor. So I have very liberal views (on certain topics), but also very traditional ones in others. I welcome any and all discussions on this matter so that we can connect on a further level in understanding the inner workings (or not workings ) of our government.

M

Kjarkur wrote:

Noone wrote:I think you are taking these charts too literally. Being religous and saying you are on some survey is something completelly different.
Anyway, i dont want this thread to become another religous topic, sorry Les

The bible-states have way too much power over the US.

-KJ

False statement. Bible states are far less powerful than you would imagine, or else NY, FL, CAL wouldn't be the biggest "point getters" in the US. The whole Northeast corner votes D, while the R's can only bank on TX as a big point getter. Ohio is a swinger, and looks to be more and more Democratic every election. And other mid range point states (ILL, LA, NC, SC, and WISC) wouldn't be the final states that finalize our Presidents.

I love how Pres is blaming this just on the reps. But it was the Dems that wrecked his plan to begin with. Obama almost copied Mass. bill but JUST TO GET ENOUGH DEM votes it went from 500 pages to 2700 pages. This was even before any Rep could vote on it.

For insurance (which is a large portion of this shutdown) Currently to get insurance under the plan it would cost me almost 6k a year. (that's with a 2k Deductible). That will be 6k less from me in the local economy JUST FROM ME. Worse of all that would be a temporary insurance because the insurance company doesn't know what all entails (eye care, dental? just emergency for those 2? crutches/glasses/prothestics? where is the tax going to be that is listed in the bill on the end customer/seller/manufacturer?)

Our government system is broken. We have toddlers temperament in our representatives that most have NO clue what 97% of the county lives like. They just bicker to bicker.

They just shot down a chance to save money in food stamps program (which would have started a cascade effect through out all help programs). Read the bill. Prove you are attempting to get a job and your NOT on drugs and you get *said benefit*. Don't do these and your not getting help. and this was turned down because the head of the food stamp program said there is only "probably less than 1% frod" with the program?!?!? I worked at a grocery store, some people would buy $300 of junk food(ice cream, $18/lb steaks) and $500 worth of cigs and beer!??!

But US actually has till the 14th to decide on this because THAT is when the money is due, they just shut everything down 2 weeks prior, in an effort to "save" money. sorry bit random with this post.