The Order Vs TF

[~Tziki~]

You came to use for peace, we tried to be peaceful. That didn't last long. Now it seems you come to us for war. So let there be war... again.

~Norbe~

Would have kept peace too if you would honor the agreement and make repayments as necessary.
Say what you will about TO, but i made it perfectly clear we'd make repayments if any breaches where clarified. Its a shame TF didnt want to take responsibility for their errors aswell, always pointing the finger...

[~Rikki~™]

You came to use for peace, we tried to be peaceful. That didn't last long. Now it seems you come to us for war. So let there be war... again.

~Norbe~

Would have kept peace too if you would honor the agreement and make repayments as necessary.
Say what you will about TO, but i made it perfectly clear we'd make repayments if any breaches where clarified. Its a shame TF didnt want to take responsibility for their errors aswell, always pointing the finger...

just allows for more fun time

[Norbe]

You came to use for peace, we tried to be peaceful. That didn't last long. Now it seems you come to us for war. So let there be war... again.

~Norbe~

Would have kept peace too if you would honor the agreement and make repayments as necessary.
Say what you will about TO, but i made it perfectly clear we'd make repayments if any breaches where clarified. Its a shame TF didnt want to take responsibility for their errors aswell, always pointing the finger...

Hokie may have quit TF/retired, and still his actions here I agree with.

You come to us to make peace, then proceed to hit us over a hundred times a day. We politely point out that is hardly in good spirit, ask for amendments to the agreement. Then it seems a few days later you cancel the agreement and refuse any other options. We were far more patient than we could have been.. and you continuously threw it back in our faces. With that attitude there is no surprise you got massed. On top of all that, you expect repayment?

Remember next time you come to me asking for peace, it's your own attitude that got you here in the first place.

I hope at least you will put up a better fight this time around.

~Norbe~

[harchester]

You came to use for peace, we tried to be peaceful. That didn't last long. Now it seems you come to us for war. So let there be war... again.

~Norbe~

Would have kept peace too if you would honor the agreement and make repayments as necessary.
Say what you will about TO, but i made it perfectly clear we'd make repayments if any breaches where clarified. Its a shame TF didnt want to take responsibility for their errors aswell, always pointing the finger...

Hokie may have quit TF/retired, and still his actions here I agree with.

You come to us to make peace, then proceed to hit us over a hundred times a day. We politely point out that is hardly in good spirit, ask for amendments to the agreement. Then it seems a few days later you cancel the agreement and refuse any other options. We were far more patient than we could have been.. and you continuously threw it back in our faces. With that attitude there is no surprise you got massed. On top of all that, you expect repayment?

Remember next time you come to me asking for peace, it's your own attitude that got you here in the first place.

I hope at least you will put up a better fight this time around.

~Norbe~

Norbe its funny to watch you be serious

[Duderanch]

You came to use for peace, we tried to be peaceful. That didn't last long. Now it seems you come to us for war. So let there be war... again.

~Norbe~

Would have kept peace too if you would honor the agreement and make repayments as necessary.
Say what you will about TO, but i made it perfectly clear we'd make repayments if any breaches where clarified. Its a shame TF didnt want to take responsibility for their errors aswell, always pointing the finger...

Hokie may have quit TF/retired, and still his actions here I agree with.

You come to us to make peace, then proceed to hit us over a hundred times a day. We politely point out that is hardly in good spirit, ask for amendments to the agreement. Then it seems a few days later you cancel the agreement and refuse any other options. We were far more patient than we could have been.. and you continuously threw it back in our faces. With that attitude there is no surprise you got massed. On top of all that, you expect repayment?

Remember next time you come to me asking for peace, it's your own attitude that got you here in the first place.

I hope at least you will put up a better fight this time around.

~Norbe~

Okay I know I wasn't in TO when this all happened but didn't TO ask for a NAP when the war ended but TAF refused and would only give a DRA? And then when when they got hit within the terms of the DRA because they are at war and most have 0 defense they wanted to change the terms and negotiate a NAP?

Seems like TAF being TAF to me, thinking being in TA means you don't get farmed.

[Lord Yojimbo]

You came to use for peace, we tried to be peaceful. That didn't last long. Now it seems you come to us for war. So let there be war... again.

~Norbe~

Would have kept peace too if you would honor the agreement and make repayments as necessary.
Say what you will about TO, but i made it perfectly clear we'd make repayments if any breaches where clarified. Its a shame TF didnt want to take responsibility for their errors aswell, always pointing the finger...

As long as you are leader of TO then TO will never know peace - you put your own agenda before your members and you started a war before you even gave time for your members to prepare a proper first strike and the ability to mount a defense.

TO will have a better future with a strong leader - not a selfish one

[~Rikki~™]

You came to use for peace, we tried to be peaceful. That didn't last long. Now it seems you come to us for war. So let there be war... again.

~Norbe~

Would have kept peace too if you would honor the agreement and make repayments as necessary.
Say what you will about TO, but i made it perfectly clear we'd make repayments if any breaches where clarified. Its a shame TF didnt want to take responsibility for their errors aswell, always pointing the finger...

As long as you are leader of TO then TO will never know peace - you put your own agenda before your members and you started a war before you even gave time for your members to prepare a proper first strike and the ability to mount a defense.

TO will have a better future with a strong leader - not a selfish one

loool dont be sayin **Filtered** the that about kev he is many things but a bad leader he is not he isnt like some leaders who hide behind the politics or there other members he will fight rite along side all of us dosent matter if its a big or small acc and some1 who is always willing to help nnew or inexperienced players is a rare find in my book.

He may be the king at starting wars but we love him anyway

so before you talk **Filtered** about kev look at his whole body of work not just the fact your hc is hard to get along with and talk to and work deals out. he is a good leader and we all support kevy how bout them apples

[Flintcawk]

[~Les Erebus~]

rikki should start his own alliance

[~Tziki~]

rikki should start his own alliance

I agree, if its not him giving me hell, its nick hah
You have no idea how much i had to tell them both to stop casuing **Filtered** for me to clean up hah

Atleast now ive secured some toys for them to play with xD
Peace was never going to last with these 2 around

@Yoji
On the contrary, i came to you to secure peace so that my members could prosper from it, not because it suited me. As we already know, farming TF is quite profitable and will only get better if in war. Which means not just myself but others too can prosper from it. Nothing in TO is done on a whim, i ask my members and frazz what they want or think before i do anything. Even Duderanch can testify to that, everyone gets a say in what happens.
I am merely the embodiment of the many, the collective voice, as far as im concerned TO has no leader, we lead ourselves and im just the guy that the opinions are voiced through.

So, you can try to convince my members of your **Filtered** all you want, try to make me seem like i have my own agenda and dont care about them, try to convince them their "leader" is nothing of the sort. But all your doing is making yourselves look even more dishonorable.

At the end of the day im human, i make mistakes and one such mistake was not knowing the precise state of our treaty when you came to me to adjust it. But you also told me Hokie was no longer part of TF, and hadnt been for a few days. If thats the case, the initial strike Xane made on him for the naq, was irrelevant because he's not a part of TF and therefore not covered by the DRA right?

Or was he? in which case he hadnt left, and therefore he too violated the DRA by massing frazz on ascended.

You cant have it both ways, so tell me. are both hits irrelevant because he's not a part of TF, or are they both violations?

If its the latter, i already offered to check the logs and repay as appropriate, but your not willing to do the same for the massing. If its the former, then your whole argument is null and void and you have no reason to be angry about him being hit in the first place, nor my confusion at the state of our previous treaty.


So the only one with an agenda here is you, and your eagerness to turn a blind eye to your own mistakes in an attempt to appear innocent. The only one displaying poor leadership material is you and your unwillingness to do whats right to better relations and thereby allow your members to prosper more in the future.

As is the same with DDE. I came to TF willing to accept a NAP (because in the past that is what you demanded) so that my members could grow. But TF insist on silly demands before the war with DDE can be over, instead of just doing what is best for your members and just agreeing mutual terms.

Dont impune my leadership capabilities, when your hardly displaying the epitome of leadership yourself! And quite frankly, I did not have sexual relations with that woman!

[harchester]

rikki should start his own alliance

I agree, if its not him giving me hell, its nick hah
You have no idea how much i had to tell them both to stop casuing **Filtered** for me to clean up hah

Atleast now ive secured some toys for them to play with xD
Peace was never going to last with these 2 around

@Yoji
On the contrary, i came to you to secure peace so that my members could prosper from it, not because it suited me. As we already know, farming TF is quite profitable and will only get better if in war. Which means not just myself but others too can prosper from it. Nothing in TO is done on a whim, i ask my members and frazz what they want or think before i do anything. Even Duderanch can testify to that, everyone gets a say in what happens.
I am merely the embodiment of the many, the collective voice, as far as im concerned TO has no leader, we lead ourselves and im just the guy that the opinions are voiced through.

So, you can try to convince my members of your **Filtered** all you want, try to make me seem like i have my own agenda and dont care about them, try to convince them their "leader" is nothing of the sort. But all your doing is making yourselves look even more dishonorable.

At the end of the day im human, i make mistakes and one such mistake was not knowing the precise state of our treaty when you came to me to adjust it. But you also told me Hokie was no longer part of TF, and hadnt been for a few days. If thats the case, the initial strike Xane made on him for the naq, was irrelevant because he's not a part of TF and therefore not covered by the DRA right?

Or was he? in which case he hadnt left, and therefore he too violated the DRA by massing frazz on ascended.

You cant have it both ways, so tell me. are both hits irrelevant because he's not a part of TF, or are they both violations?

If its the latter, i already offered to check the logs and repay as appropriate, but your not willing to do the same for the massing. If its the former, then your whole argument is null and void and you have no reason to be angry about him being hit in the first place, nor my confusion at the state of our previous treaty.


So the only one with an agenda here is you, and your eagerness to turn a blind eye to your own mistakes in an attempt to appear innocent. The only one displaying poor leadership material is you and your unwillingness to do whats right to better relations and thereby allow your members to prosper more in the future.

As is the same with DDE. I came to TF willing to accept a NAP (because in the past that is what you demanded) so that my members could grow. But TF insist on silly demands before the war with DDE can be over, instead of just doing what is best for your members and just agreeing mutual terms.

Dont impune my leadership capabilities, when your hardly displaying the epitome of leadership yourself...

Kev for prime minister I was just waiting on the line...

" I did not have sexual relations with that woman "

[~Dä Vinci~]

Can I get a summary please.

[harchester]

Can I get a summary please.

The abstract will be released with his thesis.

[~Tziki~]

Kev for prime minister I was just waiting on the line...

" I did not have sexual relations with that woman "

You may want to re-read it then, im pretty sure i said something like that.

[harchester]

Kev for prime minister I was just waiting on the line...

" I did not have sexual relations with that woman "

You may want to re-read it then, im pretty sure i said something like that.