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Almost38 wrote:[19:46] <adminhere> then you can just ignore it :)


Because they can does not mean that they have.

It also doesn't change (1) what this area was made for, and (2) who made the area.
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Almost38 wrote:[19:46] <adminhere> then you can just ignore it :)


note the key word, can, in it...
it does not say must, shall, will or anything like that...
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Spacey wrote:
Almost38 wrote:[19:46] <adminhere> then you can just ignore it :)


Because they can does not mean that they have.

It also doesn't change (1) what this area was made for, and (2) who made the area.



Troll = someone disagreeing with a mod


[19:46] well, my problem is, i still care for this community, so i should not really ignore the users
[19:46] its not \'the users\' tealauc
[19:46] its the \'trolls\' as theyve been called
[19:47] well, right now, half of the forum are trolls



Well, it seems that not only (via MSN with Tok\'ra) has DaDagi admitted that the forums are in revolt......... but HERE Teal`auc admits half the users are against the mods.

And SHE seems to be under the impression that this forum was made to ignore and marginalize the dissident user base.

TEALAUC has the right idea........ but shes one of the few it seems.
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Almost38 wrote:
Spacey wrote:
Almost38 wrote:[19:46] <adminhere> then you can just ignore it :)


Because they can does not mean that they have.

It also doesn't change (1) what this area was made for, and (2) who made the area.



Troll = someone disagreeing with a mod


[19:46] well, my problem is, i still care for this community, so i should not really ignore the users
[19:46] its not \'the users\' tealauc
[19:46] its the \'trolls\' as theyve been called
[19:47] well, right now, half of the forum are trolls



Well, it seems that not only (via MSN with Tok\'ra) has DaDagi admitted that the forums are in revolt......... but HERE Teal`auc admits half the users are against the mods.

And SHE seems to be under the impression that this forum was made to ignore and marginalize the dissident user base.

TEALAUC has the right idea........ but shes one of the few it seems.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll :wink:
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here is another definition of trolls, and some history behind the word...

Troll (Internet)

In Internet terminology, a troll is a person who enters an established community such as an online discussion forum and intentionally tries to cause disruption, most often in the form of posting inflammatory, off-topic, insulting, or otherwise inappropriate messages.
Etymology
The contemporary use of the term first appeared on Usenet groups in the late 1980s. It is widely thought to be a contraction of the phrase trolling for suckers, itself derived from the sport fishing technique of trolling. The latter can be compared with trawling.

The word likely gained currency because of its apt second meaning, drawn from the trolls portrayed in Scandinavian folklore and children's tales; they are often ugly, obnoxious creatures bent on mischief and wickedness. The image of the troll under the bridge in the "Three Billy Goats Gruff" emphasizes the troll's negative reaction to outsiders intruding on its physical environment, particularly those who intend to graze in its domain without permission. The word occurs also in Thomas Awdeley’s Fraternity of Vagabonds (1561) in the form: "Troll and Troll by is he that setteth naught by no man, nor no man by him. This is he that would bear rule in a place and hath no authority nor thanks, and at last is thrust out of the door like a knave." It seems a singularly apt description, though no provenance has ever been demonstrated to connect it with the modern usage. The origin of the phrase has been discussed in oral arguments before the U.S. Supreme Court (eBay v. MercExchange, 29 March 2006):

JUSTICE KENNEDY: Well, is -- is the troll the scary thing under the bridge, or is it a fishing technique?...
MR. PHILLIPS [attorney for eBay]: For my clients, it's been the scary thing under the bridge....
JUSTICE KENNEDY: I mean, is that what the troll is?
MR. PHILLIPS: Yes, I believe that's... what it is, although...maybe we should think of it more as Orcs, now that we have a new generation.

Pre-history
Prior to DejaNews's archiving of Usenet, accounts of trolling were sketchy, there being little evidence to sort through. After that time, however, the huge archives were available for researchers. Perhaps the earliest, although poorly documented, case is the 1982-83 saga of Alex and Joan from the CompuServe forums. Van Gelder, a reporter for Ms. magazine, documented the incident in 1996 in an article for her publication. Alex (in real life a very shy 50 year old psychiatrist from New York) pretended to be a highly bombastic, anti-religious, post-car-accident, wheelchair-bound, mute woman named "Joan", "in order to better relate to his female patients". This went on for two years, and "Joan" had become a hugely detailed character, with an array of emotional relationships. These only began to fall apart after "Joan" coaxed an online friend of hers into an affair with Alex.

Even those who barely knew Joan felt implicated — and somehow betrayed — by Alex's deception. Many of us on-line like to believe that we're a utopian community of the future, and Alex's experiment proved to us all that technology is no shield against deceit. We lost our innocence, if not our faith. (Van Gelder, 1996, p.534)

Trolling in the 1990s
One early reference to troll found in the Google Usenet archive was by user "Mark Miller", directed toward the user "Tad", on February 8, 1990.[1] However, it is unclear if this instance represents a usage of "troll" as it is known today, or if it was simply a chance choice of epithet:

You are so far beyond being able to understand anything anyone here says that this is just converging on uselessness. The really sad part is that you really believe that you're winning. You are a shocking waste of natural resources — kindly re-integrate yourself into the food-chain. Just go die in your sleep you mindless flatulent troll.



The more likely derivation can be found in the phrase "trolling for newbies", popularized in the early 1990s in the Usenet group, alt.folklore.urban. Commonly, what is meant is a relatively gentle inside joke by veteran users, presenting questions or topics that had been so overdone; only a new user would respond to them earnestly. For example, a veteran of the group might make a post on the common misconception that glass flows over time. Long-time readers would both recognize the poster's name and know that the topic had been done to death already, but new subscribers to the group would not "get it" and respond. These types of trolls served as a Shibboleth to identify group insiders. By the late 1990s, alt.folklore.urban had such heavy traffic and participation that trolling of this sort was frowned upon. Others expanded the term to include the practice of playing a seriously misinformed or deluded user, even in newsgroups where one was not a regular; these were often attempts at humor rather than provocation. In such contexts, the noun troll usually referred to an act of trolling, rather than to the author.

Recently, the word troll is also frequently used as a synonym for flamebait, even though the two words have distinct meanings.
Identity
In academic literature, the practice was first documented by Judith Donath (1999), who used several anecdotal examples from various Usenet newsgroups in her discussion. Donath's paper outlines the ambiguity of identity in a disembodied "virtual community" [2]:

In the physical world there is an inherent unity to the self, for the body provides a compelling and convenient definition of identity. The norm is: one body, one identity. ... The virtual world is different. It is composed of information rather than matter.



Donath provides a concise overview of identity deception games which trade on the confusion between physical and epistemic community:

Trolling is a game about identity deception, albeit one that is played without the consent of most of the players. The troll attempts to pass as a legitimate participant, sharing the group's common interests and concerns; the newsgroups members, if they are cognizant of trolls and other identity deceptions, attempt to both distinguish real from trolling postings, and upon judging a poster a troll, make the offending poster leave the group. Their success at the former depends on how well they — and the troll — understand identity cues; their success at the latter depends on whether the troll's enjoyment is sufficiently diminished or outweighed by the costs imposed by the group.



Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation.''" (Donath, 1999, p. 45)[3]

Usage
The term troll is highly subjective. Some readers may characterize a post as trolling, while others may regard the same post as a legitimate contribution to the discussion, even if controversial. The term is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument ad hominem.

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Often, calling someone a troll makes assumptions about a writer's motives. Regardless of the circumstances, controversial posts may attract a particularly strong response from those unfamiliar with the robust dialogue found in some online, rather than physical, communities.

Experienced participants in online forums know that the most effective way to discourage a troll is usually to ignore him or her, because responding encourages a true troll to continue disruptive posts — hence the often-seen warning "Please do not feed the troll", for which PDNFTT is a common initialism.

When a person responds to a troll, or falls for it, you often see the abbreviation YHBT or the more complex, "YHBT. YHL. HAND.", which is widely understood to expand to "You Have Been Trolled. You Have Lost. Have A Nice Day". You are quite likely to see this if you respond incautiously to a flame-provoking post that was obviously floated as sucker bait.
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Almost38 wrote:
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Almost38 wrote:[19:46] <adminhere> then you can just ignore it :)


Because they can does not mean that they have.

It also doesn't change (1) what this area was made for, and (2) who made the area.



Troll = someone disagreeing with a mod


[19:46] well, my problem is, i still care for this community, so i should not really ignore the users
[19:46] its not \'the users\' tealauc
[19:46] its the \'trolls\' as theyve been called
[19:47] well, right now, half of the forum are trolls



Well, it seems that not only (via MSN with Tok\'ra) has DaDagi admitted that the forums are in revolt......... but HERE Teal`auc admits half the users are against the mods.

And SHE seems to be under the impression that this forum was made to ignore and marginalize the dissident user base.

TEALAUC has the right idea........ but shes one of the few it seems.

I don't really understand what you are saying (or rather why you are saying it to me). I made no statement about 'trolls'. I did say in a past post that "I make no statement about terms used in the mod meeting".

Perhaps there is still confusion? When I said that Nuto was not correct on two accounts I was talking about (1) the purpose of this area, and (2) who created this area.

I can't speak for another person, and I will not make the mistake of telling you what people meant when they posted or said something (as has been done to me).

This is where I step out of this conversation.
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Bazsy wrote:History :smt022


sorry baszy... couldnt help it... one source isnt always enough...
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The term ("troll") is often used to discredit an opposing position, or its proponent, by argument ad hominem.

enough said, no?
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