The Great Purgatory Debate

[Kikaz]

Western Warrior was my old account and last year when I sold the account it wasn't even top 10 fleets.

[Arkenius]

Ok then if a planet is taken and the attacker runs to main, what stops the victim not to follow and retake that planet? Nobody is keeping him/her in perg... Move your sorry ass and take back your planet if you want it so much. Same goes for massing. I mass you, I run in normal, then you come after me in normal and kick my ass. Then you sit in normal for 48hrs and look pretty. After that you move back to perg.

[Juliette]

Ok then if a planet is taken and the attacker runs to main, what stops the victim not to follow and retake that planet? Nobody is keeping him/her in perg...

Really? Active players are kept in Pergatory, unless they decide to waste a **Filtered**-ton of ATs and time on raiding themselves out. For anyone who farms more than daily it is impossible to just follow anyone to Normal.

[Arkenius]

If you really want payback... you will follow in normal. The same way that person did. If your planet is that important then you WILL go after that bastard and take back what is yours.

Because lets face it. All this is about payback. That's the reason this update is about. To stop ppl who mass you from running away before you have a chance at them.

[Juliette]

If you really want payback... you will follow in normal. The same way that person did.

Because lets face it. All this is about payback. That's the reason this update is about. To stop ppl who mass you from running away.

Is it? Or is it about giving the same kind of protection to Pergatory as we give to Normal? *grin*

In Normal, you can click the 'take back planet' button and get it back (provided you have the fleets and your opponent did not feel like doing that). In Pergatory, someone can take your planet and you can do nothing in return.


Basically, we could fix this issue by allowing the 'Take back planet' button to work across 'dimensions'.

[Arkenius]

see... now that is an interesting idea. But the 48hrs crap is just stupid

And dont start about protection for perg... they have so many... it's almost imposible to actually enjoy a good fight

And maybe (just saying) pergatory doesnt have that 'Take back planet' button, simply because pergatory was designed as a training zone. So if you sit in perg with couple of nice duals, fully ascended and some kick ass stats... I think you may consider yourself way out of your training time, dont you think?

[Glownut]

What's the actual difference between the two at this point. I mean if someone takes a planet and runs to normal then taking the planet back would be easy with the "cross-dimension" option(provided you have the necessary fleet power to take a newly built def, if any). But on the other hand the 48 hours simply wouldn't let the planet stealer go to norm and thus the planet would again be retakable(like when someone would want to run to perg from normal but can't due to the 48h cooldown). I just don't see the point of adding a different solution when the existing one could be used here. This is simply speaking related to stealing planets.

For massing, well if you wanted to do a quick mass and run then it wouldn't have much influence damage wise since there is the 60AT limit. If you truly wanted to mass someone you would have to give them a chance to attack back so that you could hit them more in which case you wouldn't be leaving right away anyway. With a 48 hour limit neither of the participants(masser or massee) are able to leave thus making the game more interesting, intense and fair. Or you could just take a small beating that doesn't really amount to much and leave in 48 hours if you're not interested in the war.

And it has been stated many times before, perg is not a training area, but a place for a different style of play.

Perg is not for beginners (although can be used as such) but is simply a different style of play.

[Arkenius]

But on the other hand the 48 hours simply wouldn't let the planet stealer go to norm and thus the planet would again be retakable

Then the attacker will simply pop a ppt. In 12 hours that planet will be merlined. You will never see it again.

[Glownut]

Then by all means remove ppt in perg, like it used to be.

***EDIT

What the person below said.

[BarelyAllen]

But on the other hand the 48 hours simply wouldn't let the planet stealer go to norm and thus the planet would again be retakable

Then the attacker will simply pop a ppt. In 12 hours that planet will be merlined. You will never see it again.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure planets aren't protected by PPT for 12 hours after you take it.

[Arkenius]

But on the other hand the 48 hours simply wouldn't let the planet stealer go to norm and thus the planet would again be retakable

Then the attacker will simply pop a ppt. In 12 hours that planet will be merlined. You will never see it again.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty sure planets aren't protected by PPT for 12 hours after you take it.

wasnt that just for normal? If not then I apologize

[Juliette]

If within the 'retake-time', the planet can be taken regardless of PPT or not. Only thing that stops that is 'dimensional travel'.

Then by all means remove ppt in perg, like it used to be.

*supports idea*

[Arkenius]

alright. fair point. I thought that is just for normal. heh My bad

Ok that sends us back to my previous point, which is: If its regardless of ppt then no need for dimensional button like you sugested. Move the hell to normal and take back your planet, pop a PPT and voila. end of story

Making a button like that will make ppl lazy... Isnt this a competitive game? What will happen to it if everything is served on a golden plate, all you have to do is grab it?

I want a pink unicorn too but damn...

[Glownut]

.....But on the other hand the 48 hours simply wouldn't let the planet stealer go to norm and thus the planet would again be retakable(like when someone would want to run to perg from normal but can't due to the 48h cooldown).....

About the button, if you can't hide a planet for 12h after conquering it because it hasn't reached you yet, then how can you take it along into another realm with you? This is illogical and so would taking it back from another realm be. Just throwing an idea here, but in this case maybe it would be acceptable to add such a feature as a planet staying behind, wondering in space if a premature shift between realms were attempted(raiding out). And the person who it was taken from would have a rather high chance of finding it with a MS planet search.
But still, a simple 48 hour cooldown would be the easiest solution. No idea why this must be so heavily explained.

[Sylus]

Ugh.

The fixation on planets as the sole factor for considering a delay is ultimately irrelevant. A planet is a resource same as any other; if anyone truly believes a double standard that denies a player any right to retaliate on an aggressor, your point has been noted, countered, and dismissed. It has been done so for 2 pages.

Arkenius.

1. You post incessant bravado in a debate. You do this in every post. The absence of modding on them whilst amusing, is still boring. Stop. We get it. You're very proud of yourself. You seem particularly proud that you hit someone, then ran away. Congratulations.

2. You, like Ben and Tetris, somehow argue that a purgatory delay is "another protection". I, in all deliberate condescension, countered this falsehood in my last post. I'm not doing it again.

3. You argue that nothing prohibits anyone from simply leaving purgatory. By all means, hold this opinion. But understand that you argue for the removal of the delay between norm and purg as well. Go make a thread in the suggestion section asking for the norm to purg delay be removed. I look forward to that train wreck.

4. Your posts change radically when you're addressing someone in norm. Not an argument, just an observation. This can be interpreted as anyone wants.

5. Arguing the genesis of purgatory (ha play on words!) was already covered in my first post in this thread. As I said earlier, reading posts from someone who hasn't/wont read the whole thread is painful for everyone (if you have however read the whole thread, and made this point. Well. Not surprised)

6. You actually say "Isnt this a competitive game? What will happen to it if everything is served on a golden plate, all you have to do is grab it?". If the complete irony of this post is lost on you in the context of the discussion. Then. Well actually I know it is lost on you.

7. Bring something new to the table, or stop reiterating.