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Re: What proof is needed

Post by xDaku » Wed May 09, 2012 2:21 pm

GhostyGoo wrote:IceBreaker, you sound like a decent sort of chap to me; i'm not often fooled. Good luck with finding something more suitable than selling naq - the western world is not a very welcoming place these days for honest people trying to earn an honest pay, believe me i know!

On from that, _willie_, i read that the hits took place at the same second. Surely you mean minute? Are we losing something in translation _willie_ or am i unaware of how you can tell what second past the minute you were hit? If we are talking minutes it is entirely possible - a minute lasts 60 seconds, Icebreaker probably hits an account every 1 second on a good strong connection:

http://gatewars.com/lag.php reports Time to Load Page lag.php at 14:21 : 0.000207 seconds!!

Even faster than i thought! I use a useless wifi dongle!

I'm very rusty at practical math but i think it goes something like this:

*cogs grinding, squeaking, complaining*

60 (seconds) / 0.000207 (page lag) = 289.86

Mathlord? *snigger*

So this means, on my rusty old lappy with its monumentally slow internet, i can technically farm 289 accounts in the same minute.

Now, considering this, the accusation does not seem so strong? Good to report suspicions though, certainly!


You clearly don't know much about farming if you're judging it by that. :roll:

And secondly, I think you're missing the 12 AT part.

Thirdly, those calculations are hilarious at best.
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Re: What proof is needed

Post by GhostyGoo » Wed May 09, 2012 2:34 pm

*steadies head from disbelief type reeling*

Yes? That green bit. That is what i am asking. Am i missing something in the battle logs which shows you what second of the minute you were hit? As far as i'm aware the logs only show hh:mm for current day then dd:hh:mm for previous; am i mistaken?

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GhostyGoo wrote:IceBreaker, you sound like a decent sort of chap to me; i'm not often fooled. Good luck with finding something more suitable than selling naq - the western world is not a very welcoming place these days for honest people trying to earn an honest pay, believe me i know!

On from that, _willie_, i read that the hits took place at the same second. Surely you mean minute? Are we losing something in translation _willie_ or am i unaware of how you can tell what second past the minute you were hit? If we are talking minutes it is entirely possible - a minute lasts 60 seconds, Icebreaker probably hits an account every 1 second on a good strong connection:

http://gatewars.com/lag.php reports Time to Load Page lag.php at 14:21 : 0.000207 seconds!!

Even faster than i thought! I use a useless wifi dongle!

I'm very rusty at practical math but i think it goes something like this:

*cogs grinding, squeaking, complaining*

60 (seconds) / 0.000207 (page lag) = 289.86

Mathlord? *snigger*

So this means, on my rusty old lappy with its monumentally slow internet, i can technically farm 289 accounts in the same minute.

Now, considering this, the accusation does not seem so strong? Good to report suspicions though, certainly!
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You clearly don't know much about farming if you're judging it by that. :roll:


I would like to wager i've done it a lot longer than you have.

And secondly, I think you're missing the 12 AT part.


Possibly not - i farm effectively by not using the quick buttons - i open my farmlist, tab the targets, enter the 12 and submit all pages at turn change. Is this scripting? I have certainly never been taken to task about it and i've done it since the game went live!

Thirdly, those calculations are hilarious at best.


Well, i didn't use a calculator and my fields are the humanities but i'm pretty sure that 60 divided by 0.000207 is roughly 289. Admittedly, what happens after the decimal point in my answer, i would not want to place a wager on.

On all three points i could be missing your point but i get the feeling that, generally speaking from all your posts across the boards this evening, extrapolation is not your strong point.
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Re: What proof is needed

Post by Clarkey » Wed May 09, 2012 3:12 pm

Cersei Lannister wrote:That sucks, Ice. Hope you get a good job fitting your talents soon. ;) Good luck!
I hope you agree though, admin should at least take a quick look to silence everyone? :D

Admin has already looked and cleared him, i'm sure i can dig out the email.
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Re: What proof is needed

Post by xDaku » Wed May 09, 2012 3:32 pm

Doing something longer does not equal better Goo. I can guarantee you I know a tad bit more about the art of farming than you. ;)

Secondly, I personally know of the exact second hits each time due to screen shots. I'll leave you to figure out how that comes about.

Third, that 12 AT bit only works if you don't have too many tabs open. That is to say, 289 hits with 12 AT tabbed out would cause a small measure of lag. This would create discrepancies in seconds, which in Ice's case there isn't.

And lastly, the time it takes to set up that many tabs, have them all ready at enter, and then repeat the process hourly does not coincide with Ice's timing on MSN. I've talked to ice on msn, the only time he ever responds is right after the second minute into TC. This is true ingame as well. Attempting to catch him even 6 minutes into a turn change is a miracle at best. He does not set up his tabs that way, it does not add up.

Instead of trying to play devil's advocate, Goo, I'd ask myself why every good active farmer in the game considers Ice a script.

Hell, forget every good farmer, the three best farmers in this game's history claim it too. :roll:
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Spies Killed: 1,223,520,310
Total: 3,357,793,016

Raiders lost: 5,324,560
Guards lost: 14,223,773
Super Soldiers lost: 907,918,161
Super Guards lost: 654,870,558
Undercover Agents lost: 411,831,764
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Re: What proof is needed

Post by GhostyGoo » Wed May 09, 2012 3:44 pm

When you are as consistent as i have been longer certainly does make better.

Show me were the comma goes for bonus points :)

Your time is not game time. Unless more extrapolating is required?

Of course you can't really expect to hit 289 times without considerable causality so, o great farmer of considerable merit, how many accounts am i allowed to hit in 1 minute before you accuse me of scripting?

I'm not trying anything. Merely making my observations. If my observations do not agree with yours then yes, i guess from your point of view i am devil's advocate but i am certainly not trying to be anything.

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Cersei Lannister wrote:That sucks, Ice. Hope you get a good job fitting your talents soon. ;) Good luck!
I hope you agree though, admin should at least take a quick look to silence everyone? :D

Admin has already looked and cleared him, i'm sure i can dig out the email.


No harm, no foul...it would seem. If the logs have been checked admin side then you are mistaken xDaku - bot behaviour is one of the easiest things to spot admin side due to its, well, bot-like nature.
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Re: What proof is needed

Post by xDaku » Wed May 09, 2012 3:54 pm

GhostyGoo wrote:When you are as consistent as i have been longer certainly does make better.


I've heard old age brings ignorance. :roll:

I can promise you there are farmers of far greater skill than yours. A lot of them that started playing after you. One that joined the game a year and a half ago. Don't give yourself too much credit there, Moby. ;)

What admin said, to two various people, was that he "believed there was a case", but the evidence was "inconclusive".

That's far different from "cleared".

And again, I'll leave you to decide how the seconds were determined in screen shots. It's really very simple. You got one word that could hint at it in your previous post already.

I think you're missing the point Goo. When you tab and farm there is a small difference in seconds, meaning the probability of hitting the same target at the exact same second every turn change or two is astronomical. The fact that Ice manages to do that every time is either remarkable, or more realistically, suspicious.

I'd go with the latter.
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E=Mc2*SGW = ( ( U = A*S*S ) + ( JT + $$$ + E*G*O ) ) + ( FS = AWESOME + Infinity ). Therefor FS -> DDE :D
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Now picture your worst nightmare, the grass turned into trenches of mud, rain drenching you, ice winds, down to rations, surrounded by death and destruction

Turning your dreams into nightmares is what we do, heed this warning and pass it on, else you will forget your serenity forever

Blood in 2012 - Updated 1st Sep, 2012:
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Attack Soldiers killed: 32,934,122
Defence Soldiers killed: 17,810,494
Attack Supers killed: 777,708,800
Defence Supers killed: 1,004,092,379
Spy Killers killed: 301,726,911
Spies Killed: 1,223,520,310
Total: 3,357,793,016

Raiders lost: 5,324,560
Guards lost: 14,223,773
Super Soldiers lost: 907,918,161
Super Guards lost: 654,870,558
Undercover Agents lost: 411,831,764
Assassin lost: 269,766,078
Total: 2,263,934,894

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Re: What proof is needed

Post by Heisenberg » Wed May 09, 2012 3:56 pm

GhostyGoo wrote:When you are as consistent as i have been longer certainly does make better.

Show me were the comma goes for bonus points :)

Your time is not game time. Unless more extrapolating is required?

Of course you can't really expect to hit 289 times without considerable causality so, o great farmer of considerable merit, how many accounts am i allowed to hit in 1 minute before you accuse me of scripting?

I'm not trying anything. Merely making my observations. If my observations do not agree with yours then yes, i guess from your point of view i am devil's advocate but i am certainly not trying to be anything.


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Re: What proof is needed

Post by Loki™ » Wed May 09, 2012 4:06 pm

How was he "cleared"? I don't believe for a second that he is not a scripter.
Also ghosty show some logs that will impress us or keep silent.
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Re: What proof is needed

Post by GhostyGoo » Wed May 09, 2012 4:24 pm

Excuse me? I shan't be providing that type of attitude with anything! Show some decorum that would impress anyone or keep silent.

Everyone has techniques and, xDaku, from what you just said about the seconds descrepencies, i have tricks i could show you so don't ever count the old school out for the count - if i was ingorant i would very soon know about it.

I'm not here to inflate egos so you might as well all take yours and rub them against someone else because you'll get no joy from me..

Clarky's name is in blue and his word was "cleared". If that isn't good enough for you *shrug*

All i did was point out that a) is entirely possible to farm several accounts in the same minute and b) the logs only record minutes and hours. You have, for whatever reason, decided to oppose my position. An opposition which is silly, because both my observations are true.

Your possible "come and have a go at this old timer who thinks he can farm" routine is utterly unconducive whereas an opinion of how IceBreaker seems is and i stand-by that which i said, he seems a genuine enough chap regardless of how many people you can produce to try to persuade me otherwise.
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Re: What proof is needed

Post by Loki™ » Wed May 09, 2012 4:30 pm

GhostyGoo wrote:Excuse me? I shan't be providing that type of attitude with anything! Show some decorum that would impress anyone or keep silent.

Everyone has techniques and, xDaku, from what you just said about the seconds descrepencies, i have tricks i could show you so don't ever count the old school out for the count - if i was ingorant i would very soon know about it.

I'm not here to inflate egos so you might as well all take yours and rub them against someone else because you'll get no joy from me..

Clarky's name is in blue and his word was "cleared". If that isn't good enough for you *shrug*

All i did was point out that a) is entirely possible to farm several accounts in the same minute and b) the logs only record minutes and hours. You have, for whatever reason, decided to oppose my position. An opposition which is silly, because both my observations are true.

Your possible "come and have a go at this old timer who thinks he can farm" routine is utterly unconducive whereas an opinion of how IceBreaker seems is and i stand-by that which i said, he seems a genuine enough chap regardless of how many people you can produce to try to persuade me otherwise.

I'm from 05 too...
IceBreaker farms a couple hundred bil in, repairs and banks in a half a second. He does that multiple times int the first ~2 minutes of the turn. That is not humanly possible.
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Re: What proof is needed

Post by xDaku » Wed May 09, 2012 4:31 pm

Goo, you should probably do a little research on how data across the net works, how browser lag works, what role your computer plays in all this, then take back that sentence about the possibility of seconds being spot on for 14 hours straight. :roll:

And where clarkey's name in blue is concerned...well that's just funny. More people without colours have direct access to Admin than people with. Funny how that goes, huh. Secondly, I'll go with the words Admin himself has emailed, to two various people. You could disregard admin's words for the blue colour if you want, up to you.

Where inflated egos is concerned, I'd suggest you read your own posts. And if you feel you're still completely unbiased, that's your flaw to bare.
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E=Mc2*SGW = ( ( U = A*S*S ) + ( JT + $$$ + E*G*O ) ) + ( FS = AWESOME + Infinity ). Therefor FS -> DDE :D
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Mezzanine wrote:Picture a hot summers day, sitting on the grass ( maybe smoking it too lol ), sun shining, cool breeze, cold beer, beautiful lady, perfect Serenity

Now picture your worst nightmare, the grass turned into trenches of mud, rain drenching you, ice winds, down to rations, surrounded by death and destruction

Turning your dreams into nightmares is what we do, heed this warning and pass it on, else you will forget your serenity forever

Blood in 2012 - Updated 1st Sep, 2012:
SpoilerShow
Attack Soldiers killed: 32,934,122
Defence Soldiers killed: 17,810,494
Attack Supers killed: 777,708,800
Defence Supers killed: 1,004,092,379
Spy Killers killed: 301,726,911
Spies Killed: 1,223,520,310
Total: 3,357,793,016

Raiders lost: 5,324,560
Guards lost: 14,223,773
Super Soldiers lost: 907,918,161
Super Guards lost: 654,870,558
Undercover Agents lost: 411,831,764
Assassin lost: 269,766,078
Total: 2,263,934,894

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Re: What proof is needed

Post by Guild » Wed May 09, 2012 4:38 pm

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Re: What proof is needed

Post by ramen07 » Wed May 09, 2012 7:59 pm

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GhostyGoo wrote:Excuse me? I shan't be providing that type of attitude with anything! Show some decorum that would impress anyone or keep silent.

Everyone has techniques and, xDaku, from what you just said about the seconds descrepencies, i have tricks i could show you so don't ever count the old school out for the count - if i was ingorant i would very soon know about it.

I'm not here to inflate egos so you might as well all take yours and rub them against someone else because you'll get no joy from me..

Clarky's name is in blue and his word was "cleared". If that isn't good enough for you *shrug*

All i did was point out that a) is entirely possible to farm several accounts in the same minute and b) the logs only record minutes and hours. You have, for whatever reason, decided to oppose my position. An opposition which is silly, because both my observations are true.

Your possible "come and have a go at this old timer who thinks he can farm" routine is utterly unconducive whereas an opinion of how IceBreaker seems is and i stand-by that which i said, he seems a genuine enough chap regardless of how many people you can produce to try to persuade me otherwise.

I'm from 05 too...
IceBreaker farms a couple hundred bil in, repairs and banks in a half a second. He does that multiple times int the first ~2 minutes of the turn. That is not humanly possible.
Another pseudo intellectual here to grace our forums :roll:


I can honestly quick attack 6-7 people on one tab, repair on another, and bank on a third pretty quickly. I usually just change the ten-bill place to 1 or 2 less than what is it on the bank screen (leaving me with 10 or 20bill).

GhostyGoo wrote:*steadies head from disbelief type reeling*

Yes? That green bit. That is what i am asking. Am i missing something in the battle logs which shows you what second of the minute you were hit? As far as i'm aware the logs only show hh:mm for current day then dd:hh:mm for previous; am i mistaken?


Hey, I like lime green :D

Even so. Waiting to farm at the same minute every single day is a form of OCD I'm not truly prepared for lol
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Re: What proof is needed

Post by [BoT] Jason » Wed May 09, 2012 9:50 pm

I didn't read any of this trash. But with previous browsers I have used I have incurred browser lag with game lag that caused all my attacks to actually happen instantly... And unless he is hitting 100+ farms a turn it is slightly possible
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Re: What proof is needed

Post by Clarkey » Wed May 09, 2012 10:32 pm

Just to confirm what the email I received actually said, this was back in February.

"Nothing untoward in the logs on this one". That email was from AdminSue, not AdminJ, so yeah it didn't say the word "cleared" exactly. I did however advice the person that contacted me about the account that they may what to speak to AdminJ direct about it.
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