Improvements for Un-Ascended Accounts (Not new ones)

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Re: Improvements for Un-Ascended Accounts (Not new ones)

Nimras wrote:Maybe but I would leave the game if this update comes as its not something i would see happen.
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Nimras wrote:I rather saw you thought of ways to fix Ascended.
Complete overhaul. IMO that's the only real way to make ascended work. Before, ascending in main, meant you had the ability to do stuff in ascended. Now, you can farm 1 person, for the same ammount as ascending for the 23rd :?
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Re: Improvements for Un-Ascended Accounts (Not new ones)

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Nimras wrote:Maybe but I would leave the game if this update comes as its not something i would see happen.
Just curious as to why? Perhaps PM me?

Nimras wrote:I rather saw you thought of ways to fix Ascended.
Complete overhaul. IMO that's the only real way to make ascended work. Before, ascending in main, meant you had the ability to do stuff in ascended. Now, you can farm 1 person, for the same ammount as ascending for the 23rd :?


Well because this game has been about ascention and the ascended server for so long and the fact before it got ruined used the server alot more rather want fixes there than making unascended accounts competive as then as ascended is pretty much useless and it has been here for so long and should be fixed and updated rather than work on main.

As i said if we make normal accounts compettive then i leave cause i see no reason to stay in the game when main instead of ascended takes more present and ascendtions becomes even more useless than it is. I love the fact unascended accounts has a problem against ascended and you techinical could desend people to hurt them.

Make ascention better and make desention possible again and it might become more used and you will see more people desended in a war.
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Nimras wrote:Well because this game has been about ascention and the ascended server for so long and the fact before it got ruined used the server alot more rather want fixes there than making unascended accounts competive as then as ascended is pretty much useless and it has been here for so long and should be fixed and updated rather than work on main.
Why would it make them useless? They still have raw weapon power advantages; power increase advantages in 3/4 aspects compared to un-ascended accounts, even with this update; they get their attack and defense doubled over 50% of the time

Nimras wrote:As i said if we make normal accounts compettive then i leave cause i see no reason to stay in the game when main instead of ascended takes more present and ascendtions becomes even more useless than it is. I love the fact unascended accounts has a problem against ascended and you techinical could desend people to hurt them.

The way ascended is, and has been for a few years now, put a months effort in, and you never have to login there again. So you can't be de-sended. And why would they become more useless? They still have the edge of un-ascended accounts, and they would both cost similar to upgrade, but ascended gets better value for resources

Nimras wrote:Make ascention better and make desention possible again and it might become more used and you will see more people desended in a war.
I agree, but the chances of admin touching it, are slim to none.
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Re: Improvements for Un-Ascended Accounts (Not new ones)

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Nimras wrote:Well because this game has been about ascention and the ascended server for so long and the fact before it got ruined used the server alot more rather want fixes there than making unascended accounts competive as then as ascended is pretty much useless and it has been here for so long and should be fixed and updated rather than work on main.
Why would it make them useless? They still have raw weapon power advantages; power increase advantages in 3/4 aspects compared to un-ascended accounts, even with this update; they get their attack and defense doubled over 50% of the time

Still i kinda is against this i think i made that clear :P

Nimras wrote:As i said if we make normal accounts compettive then i leave cause i see no reason to stay in the game when main instead of ascended takes more present and ascendtions becomes even more useless than it is. I love the fact unascended accounts has a problem against ascended and you techinical could desend people to hurt them.

The way ascended is, and has been for a few years now, put a months effort in, and you never have to login there again. So you can't be de-sended. And why would they become more useless? They still have the edge of un-ascended accounts, and they would both cost similar to upgrade, but ascended gets better value for resources

Ahh isn't that taking it a tad to far lol?

Nimras wrote:Make ascention better and make desention possible again and it might become more used and you will see more people desended in a war.
I agree, but the chances of admin touching it, are slim to none.

Maybe but he should and he has promised before
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Re: Improvements for Un-Ascended Accounts (Not new ones)

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Sarevok wrote:The way ascended is, and has been for a few years now, put a months effort in, and you never have to login there again. So you can't be de-sended. And why would they become more useless? They still have the edge of un-ascended accounts, and they would both cost similar to upgrade, but ascended gets better value for resources


Ahh isn't that taking it a tad to far lol?

Nope. If i gave someone new my farm list, and they farmed at least 10x/day for a month, they would be almost undeascendable
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Re: Improvements for Un-Ascended Accounts (Not new ones)

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Nimras wrote:
Sarevok wrote:The way ascended is, and has been for a few years now, put a months effort in, and you never have to login there again. So you can't be de-sended. And why would they become more useless? They still have the edge of un-ascended accounts, and they would both cost similar to upgrade, but ascended gets better value for resources


Ahh isn't that taking it a tad to far lol?

Nope. If i gave someone new my farm list, and they farmed at least 10x/day for a month, they would be almost undeascendable


Ahh there you did it again you went from you never can be descended till you almost would be undescendable and now your not taking it to far.

I was only after you because you said it was impossible nothing is but the effort and luck and blah blah blah for you to descend the accounts buld right is as you said earlier almost hehe.

Anyway i will but out i have had my say in this hehe.

Ohh and for the record in your arguments about ascentions.

Merlin descended him self breaking the rules of the Ascended beings to build a device using Ascended knowledge to kill ancient beings may it be the "good guys" or the Ori it was done using Ancient technolegy he was helped by Morgan lefay.

Beside that weapons which worked ONCE from what i remember (do not kill me on that account if i remember wrong) was the only thing beside a ascended being that could kill the ori. As a matter of fact only Ascended beings can fight another Ascended being deadlocked for eternety in a fight or kill the other part if one is stronger. So no Tollan, Human or Ancient before they ascended could kill ascended beings nor did the ancient have the technolegy, merlin had the knowhow and so on after he came back from ascention to help the humans and his fellow ascended beings against the Ori.

Anyway just my 2 cents.
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Nimras wrote:I was only after you because you said it was impossible nothing is but the effort and luck and blah blah blah for you to descend the accounts buld right is as you said earlier almost hehe.

But it is.
Lets assume someone has 2B attack potential. (almost double the current highest)
Now, someone that focussed on defense, has 1000 in each defense level.
50% repulsion = 1B attack
50% constitution = 500m attack
75% defencive capacity = 125m attack.
Over minimum 5 turns = 25m

So, even with the current highest ToC doubled, they would only take 25m damage/turn.
And now, look at this. With level 800 in all life force recovery areas, you get:
Reserve Rate Per Turn While at Maximum: 26,460,613
You will be gaining 1m life force/turn average. Now how do you deascend that?
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Bump.
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Sarevok wrote:Bump.


dont bump this its not something that should happen.
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Sarevok wrote:Bump.
dont bump this its not something that should happen.
:lol: So, i have 2 people objection to it, of which 1 person is basing objection on the logic (of a sci-FICTION game) = entire server disagrees. Despite the fact 2 people also supported it...
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Re: Improvements for Un-Ascended Accounts (Not new ones)

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Re: Improvements for Un-Ascended Accounts (Not new ones)

I very much approve of this idea...

You know, my feeling is that the game currently FORCES you to ascend if you want to be long-term competitive. Why? No matter how big your UP is (realistic UP, so let's say 3-4 mil/day at tops), your stats and income, you'll lose in the end because to build your army you need WAY more units, and no matter your race, you'll get incredibly hurt by the ABs of the ascended. Sure, those who ascended have in general worked for it, but shouldn't be there a way for the unascended to compete?
For example - Midnight Masochist - a long term player of the game, but can he compete those days (even if he has all the time of the world)? No - for the unascended races are incredibly weak.
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Exactly BenjaminMS.

I'm not about undermining peoples work on ascending. Simply trying to get an idea out there that will give people an option on what to do. I also included a way to compensate those whom have already ascended, but would like to not play ascended server, and have a initial race tech, instead of simply the AB (believe me, when you get to covert levels costing 200T+, that 20T you save can go along way...)
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Re: Improvements for Un-Ascended Accounts (Not new ones)

ffs Nimras, why are you so intent on resurrecting Ascended? Ascended is dead. Main is about to be, unless admin can solve it.
Like I said before, removing ascended altogether and having descension a part of main would benefit the entirety of SGW.

Anyways. *Clears Throat*

I quite like this idea. Although I'm not quite sure Many people will pick replicators... (Perhaps giving them (and them only) a MS bonus or something would increase it's popularity).

And also, an unascended, when fully 'upgraded' should have their 'privileged' stat as strong (IF not, stronger) Than the ascended's equivalent.
i.e. An Asgard's def weapons will have 5670 power after the last upgrade (Or whatever the ascended atk weapon strengths are), Same with Tau'ri's atk, and Repli's cov. Not sure about Goa'uld though :s

And also, what happens to the revived units if the Goa'uld player is over the raid cap?
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CABAL wrote:I quite like this idea. Although I'm not quite sure Many people will pick replicators... (Perhaps giving them (and them only) a MS bonus or something would increase it's popularity).
Well actually, they wouldn't be half as bad as they seem, if the units killed were actually resurrected as their meant to. I seem to recall playing as an unascended repli(long ago), and i would look in my logs. I'd loose like 30-40k when being massed, and get like 15uu back. If the covert bonus and the recovery bonus were the same, as in recover 25%, I'm sure people would prefer it alot more. Especially if they went into miners, and the 10% lifers weren't taken out. That way, they wont get raided, once the defence is massed. I mean seriously, who wouldn't like 25% of their losses to be returned to them.

CABAL wrote:And also, an unascended, when fully 'upgraded' should have their 'privileged' stat as strong (IF not, stronger) Than the ascended's equivalent.
i.e. An Asgard's def weapons will have 5670 power after the last upgrade (Or whatever the ascended atk weapon strengths are), Same with Tau'ri's atk, and Repli's cov. Not sure about Goa'uld though :s
I believe TC and myself, discussed this in our posts. Whereby they keep the 25% for their main stat, and get like 2%/tech upgrade. That way, for 23 levels, they'd have 46+25, which is 71%, which is higher then an ascended, but if you gave the non-central stats only 1%, they'd get 23% bonus, much less then they ascended's 47% or whatever it is.

CABAL wrote:And also, what happens to the revived units if the Goa'uld player is over the raid cap?
I'm not sure. Probably the same as whatever happens when a Goa'uld currently reaches the raid cap, and get's UU. Even if they did keep the UU, it would help to balance the fact that they don't get any specific stat bosted above the others, other then just their income. So you could consider this a balancing. Of course, people could chop and change to in essence raid above the cap, but they would need a few race changes to keep doing it whenever they got attacked
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