Improvements for Un-Ascended Accounts (Not new ones)

[Sarevok]

Your argument, i think, was that ascended beings are needed to kill ascended beings, givings examples of Adria and Anubis.

I disagreed. Providing counter examples.
Anubis wasn't an ancient, but more like a Dameon in this game. Whom was easily defeated once the shield he had was damaged, and he took a human as host. This human could then be suspended (unlike being frozen in the series) and kept indefinatly
Adria, Priors and Doci were as you said, all susseptable to human techs. Disable their Ori given powers, and you can just shoot them or beam them into space.
Ascended Adria, like the rest of the Ori, could have been killed by the device made by Merlin AND Daniel. Again, human technology taking out ascended beings.

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Ori

The Ori (pronounced or-ai) were a race of ascended beings who used their knowledge and power as justification to demand the worship of mortal beings.

http://stargate.wikia.com/wiki/Orici

The Orici was Adria, and ONLY Adria.

Well actually...
Followers = worshipers of the Ori
Orica = Adria (part human, part ori)
Ori = the being which ascended, similar to that of the ancients

[MaxSterling]

Anubis wasn't an ancient, but more like a Dameon in this game. Whom was easily defeated once the shield he had was damaged, and he took a human as host. This human could then be suspended (unlike being frozen in the series) and kept indefinatly

Anubis somehow escaped the ice planet. He later tried to take control of the ancient weapon on Dakara, but was stopped by Oma Desala in an eternal battle.

Adria, Priors and Doci were as you said, all susseptable to human techs. Disable their Ori given powers, and you can just shoot them or beam them into space.

This is from the Stargate Wikia...

When the Ark is activated and opened, the Doci is caught by the beam and made to see that the Ori are not gods and spreads this belief to all of the Priors in the Ori galaxy and through them their followers. In Adria's new weakened state, Morgan is able to engage Adria in an eternal battle.

In other words, an ascended being's power is derived by the number of followers and once her followers were taken from her, then Morgan was a match for her.

Ascended Adria, like the rest of the Ori, could have been killed by the device made by Merlin AND Daniel. Again, human technology taking out ascended beings.

Merlin and Daniel were using Ancient Technology, not human technology. Merlin was an Ancient that had ascended and came back to human form to use his knowledge to fight the perceived threat of the Ori. The Dakara Superweapon, The Ark of Truth, the Sangraal.... all were Ancient Technologies, not human.

No matter how you look at it, you need to ascend to gain the power, knowledge, and technology to defeat another ascended being...

[Sarevok]

Anubis wasn't an ancient, but more like a Dameon in this game. Whom was easily defeated once the shield he had was damaged, and he took a human as host. This human could then be suspended (unlike being frozen in the series) and kept indefinatly

Anubis somehow escaped the ice planet. He later tried to take control of the ancient weapon on Dakara, but was stopped by Oma Desala in an eternal battle.

Being frozen disabled him for a while, whilst the body he inhabited was unable to move. Once it broke down, he was able to then excape. Putting him into stasus would disable him almost indefinatly.

Adria, Priors and Doci were as you said, all susseptable to human techs. Disable their Ori given powers, and you can just shoot them or beam them into space.

This is from the Stargate Wikia...

When the Ark is activated and opened, the Doci is caught by the beam and made to see that the Ori are not gods and spreads this belief to all of the Priors in the Ori galaxy and through them their followers. In Adria's new weakened state, Morgan is able to engage Adria in an eternal battle.

In other words, an ascended being's power is derived by the number of followers and once her followers were taken from her, then Morgan was a match for her.

1) Adria was not always a ascended being.
2) Daniel was able to use the same device used against the priors to disable Adrias powers, making her susseptable
3) The device developed by Merlin was able to kill the Ori, once Adria ascended, it could have also been used to kill ascended-Adria
4) Where did the ancient knowledge that was used to derive the Prior disabling device come from

Ascended Adria, like the rest of the Ori, could have been killed by the device made by Merlin AND Daniel. Again, human technology taking out ascended beings.

Merlin and Daniel were using Ancient Technology, not human technology. Merlin was an Ancient that had ascended and came back to human form to use his knowledge to fight the perceived threat of the Ori. The Dakara Superweapon, The Ark of Truth, the Sangraal.... all were Ancient Technologies, not human.

AHA! You shot yourself in the foot. Baited...
The only difference between Ancient and Human tech, is the time frame. Not to mention the Tolen were quickly approaching this level as well. (Both were able to build stargates)

No matter how you look at it, you need to ascend to gain the power, knowledge, and technology to defeat another ascended being...

No matter how you look at it. Un-ascended tech was able to be used, and used effectivly, to AT THE VERY LEAST disable Priors, to a where they could be killed

[TacticalCommander]

Enough

First off
The game has been moving away from the show more and more as time goes on. SO using anything how the show works as justification of how the game should work no longer really applies. Officially the 4 race names we are using no longer exist as the official starting names. So we are really talking about increasing the effectiveness of the Aggressive, Invasive, Protectionist, Exploiter race personalities and their equivalent techs. Whether you agree with that or not is irrelevant, but until the admin starts changing things back to more like the show, those arguments have no place here.

2nd.
The "Ascended Accounts" as we are referring too, are not ascended beings. Those accounts exist in the ascended server. In the main server, the ascended account refers to any realm that essentially "follows or worships" an ascended being on the other game server. Hence the reason they are referred to as shell accounts.

Now that is done and out of the way. Lets move on.

So, are you saying we should also adjust weapon power as well? Such that the Tauri's Defence = Asgard Attack, and Tauri Attack = Asgard Defense?

Although the flip side to this, which i just realised. Chances are, people aren't going to mass large defense with an attack greater then the defense. So they will use the 30% rule. Doesn't this mean that in the grand scheme of things, it'll only save them like 1-2 hits before being a sucessful attack in terms of massing?

Note: I AM an advocate for equalising attack and defense weapons strengths on ascended accounts, and possibly un-ascended accounts, if you believe it is worth wild doing

I'm not saying they should be equalized. I'm just saying their differences need to be taken into account when making adjustments. Between the unique tech upgrades(including my addition to the Tauri one on defense), and the weapon/stat increases as well, I say that is a good enough place to start.

Since weapon equalizing is a somewhat different suggestion, I say leave it as a separate one, fight one battle at a time in this case. Don't remove completely, but put under a heading of possible future adjustments for later. Go ahead add equalizing of the non ascended MS under that heading too.

With the way the Aggressive tech works, its possible you can see some massing. Its main benefit will be in the area of farming with fewer UU losses more likely. Also, with more powerful strike weapons, means less troops needed to reach the 30%.

In the grand scheme, this is more about giving people other choices beyond the linear game path of ascension. So its more about catering to peoples play style and preferences. It is also about adding more game dynamic to it. Stuff like, the Protectionist defense really hard to crack, and taking into account half your losses will become slaves to the Exploiter, and the Invasive constantly regenerating troops to keep weapons armed and the defense a little higher than normal. Or the Aggressivesists ability to troop losses to extremely low. Or taking the slow expensive Ascended path of having the balanced stats and AB that somewhat reduces losses but also doubles all of ones combat stats.

TC

[MaxSterling]

Being frozen disabled him for a while, whilst the body he inhabited was unable to move. Once it broke down, he was able to then excape. Putting him into stasus would disable him almost indefinatly.

Do you make crap up as you go along? An ascended being is pure energy. Think of Oma Desala when SG-1 first met her. Go and put energy into stasis... Besides... Anubis was only part ascended, as the other Ancients descended him... but kept him partially ascended as a reminder to Oma for interfering.

1) Adria was not always a ascended being.

We're only discussing the ascended part of her 'being' as that is all that pertains here.

2) Daniel was able to use the same device used against the priors to disable Adrias powers, making her susseptable

Again... why are you discussing pre-ascension Adria? Is that the only argument you have?

3) The device developed by Merlin was able to kill the Ori, once Adria ascended, it could have also been used to kill ascended-Adria

Who said the Ori were killed? They were no longer a threat because they no longer had worshippers and the balance of power tipped in favor of the Ancients. That is why Morgan was able to fight Adria in the end... the balance of power tipped in her favor.

4) Where did the ancient knowledge that was used to derive the Prior disabling device come from

Again... Priors are not the Ori. The Doci and the Priors are the lead worshippers of the Ori. They provide the Ori with the worshippers needed to gain power.

From the Stargate Wiki...

Priors
The Ori are served by so-called Priors, highly evolved human beings [2] who act as missionaries of the Ori[4] by traveling to different planets to spread the religion of Origin.

Doci
The Doci is essentially a chief Prior who acts as a mediator or mouthpiece for the Ori.

Priors and Doci are highly evolved HUMAN BEINGS and serve the Ori. Your argument pits humans vs humans... not humans vs Ori.

AHA! You shot yourself in the foot. Baited...
The only difference between Ancient and Human tech, is the time frame. Not to mention the Tolen were quickly approaching this level as well. (Both were able to build stargates)

I didn't shoot myself in the foot. The Ancient technology SG-1 uses is over 1 million years old. You expect the basic races to gain a million years of knowledge in the blink of an eye without considering any advancements made by ascended races. Fact is, the basic races are 1 million years behind in technology and there is no way they'll catch up. The Tollan were still millennia behind Ancient Technology. The Asgard and Nox were the only unascended races with Technology even close to the Ancient Technology... most likely due to their pact with them and the never seen Furlings. Even then... the Asgard took 1 million years to catch up with 1 million year old Ancient Technology.

No matter how you look at it. Un-ascended tech was able to be used, and used effectivly, to AT THE VERY LEAST disable Priors, to a where they could be killed

Again... please make a case in which humans fought the actual Ori... not Doci or Priors. Doci/Priors are NOT the Ori.

Fact is... only an ascended being is a match against another ascended being.
NEVER has SG-1 been able to face an ascended being without another ascended being interfering.
End of story.
Case Closed.

TacticalCommander... while it is true that the game has veered away from the Stargate Universe, ascension is still a major part of this game and one of the major driving factors and goals of this game. While the ascended being may be on a separate plane ( server ), they also affect what happens in the corporeal universe ( main server )... hence the ascended blessing. Basically your army has a God fighting along side of them.

[Sarevok]

Fact is... only an ascended being is a match against another ascended being.
NEVER has SG-1 been able to face an ascended being without another ascended being interfering.
End of story.
Case Closed.

So Merlin was ascended?
And Anubis wasn't defeated over Antarctica

3) The device developed by Merlin was able to kill the Ori, once Adria ascended, it could have also been used to kill ascended-Adria

Who said the Ori were killed? They were no longer a threat because they no longer had worshippers and the balance of power tipped in favor of the Ancients. That is why Morgan was able to fight Adria in the end... the balance of power tipped in her favor.

Adria said it...
"ADRIA
You'll be somewhat satisfied to know that Merlin's weapon did work. The Ori were destroyed."
http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/stargate/ ... ftruth.htm
Morgan was able to neutralize her, as they were both un-worshiped ascended beings. But that doesn't discount the fact that Merlins device could have been re-used to kill Adria as well

Basically your army has a God fighting along side of them.

Rofl... a God huh? So why doesn't this "God" just wipe out the entire army in 1 hit for you? Instead of just doubling your offensive/defensive power?

while it is true that the game has veered away from the Stargate Universe, ascension is still a major part of this game and one of the major driving factors and goals of this game.

So what's wrong with adding ANOTER driving factor to the game? Won't that just make it more appealing?

[MaxSterling]

So Merlin was ascended?

Merlin secluded himself in meditation, and eventually ascended. While ascended, however, he came to the conclusion that the Ori were too great a threat to ignore. He descended himself, while retaining all the knowledge and many of his powers.

And Anubis wasn't defeated over Antarctica

Anubis was apparently destroyed by the drone weapons that SG-1 found in the Antarctic outpost buried under the ice of Antarctica. (SG1: "Lost City, Part 1", "Lost City, Part 2")

However, his formless essence survived the explosion of his mothership.

Adria said it...
"ADRIA
You'll be somewhat satisfied to know that Merlin's weapon did work. The Ori were destroyed."

Kinda like how Anubis was destroyed over Antarctica...
http://www.twiztv.com/scripts/stargate/ ... ftruth.htm

MORGAN LE FAY
Not on my own. She's too powerful for me.

DANIEL
She?

[Realizing, he lies back on the floor. He sighs deeply]

DANIEL
You mean Adria, don't you.

MORGAN LE FAY
She took on the mantle of the Ori.

DANIEL
Yeah, I was afraid of that.

MORGAN LE FAY
She has their collective power.

"She has their collective power." indicates to me that they still exist in some form and Adria took their power away from them by taking on the mantle of the Ori.

Rofl... a God huh? So why doesn't this "God" just wipe out the entire army in 1 hit for you? Instead of just doubling your offensive/defensive power?

That's most likely a decision Jason made to make the game playable. Would you play if you just started and ascended players kept hitting you once and wiping out your unascended army? Besides... like I keep reiterating... their power is derived by worshippers. The goal is to make them submit to your will.

So what's wrong with adding ANOTER driving factor to the game? Won't that just make it more appealing?

[/quote]So you want to introduce a whole new set of updates to a game in which you already gripe about existing bugs/features... only to introduce a whole new set of bugs... that will eventually get deemed as "features".

You're proposing to introduce game/account changing features when numerous accounts are already established in the already existing game. It's already bad enough that admin added 13 ( eventually 15 ) new ascension levels and screwed everyone that stopped their ascensions based on the existing state of the game. There's plenty of people that stopped playing after that happened, and even more people that are still hurting from that update as we can see by the number of LG-AG accounts with high UPs in the market. Now you wanna introduce something that essentially says... wait, you didn't need to ascend to get competitive bonuses. That's just like giving every one of us that has spent all that time ascending a big middle finger with a **Filtered** you on top.

Tweaking military losses is one thing, but completely altering the game like you're proposing is just plain stupid. If you want to pull something like this... start an entirely new server with a completely re-written and thoroughly tested game.

As for this thread, I've said my peace and gave my opinion on the matter... so I leave this thread with a big middle finger with a **Filtered** you on top.

[Sarevok]

So Merlin was ascended?

Merlin secluded himself in meditation, and eventually ascended. While ascended, however, he came to the conclusion that the Ori were too great a threat to ignore. He descended himself, while retaining all the knowledge and many of his powers.

So Merlin wasn't ascended. So it wasn't an ascended being taking out another ascended, as you claimed was necessary. You claimed you need to be ascended to take on ascended. In fact, you only need the knowledge of how to, not to be one. And in fact, ascended beings can’t kill one another, only become locked in an eternal power struggle

And Anubis wasn't defeated over Antarctica

Anubis was apparently destroyed by the drone weapons that SG-1 found in the Antarctic outpost buried under the ice of Antarctica. (SG1: "Lost City, Part 1", "Lost City, Part 2")
However, his formless essence survived the explosion of his mothership.

People of the SGC ASSUMED he was. Adria TOLD them they succeeded. Like if Oma Desala came to them and said they had defeated Anubis.

"She has their collective power." indicates to me that they still exist in some form and Adria took their power away from them by taking on the mantle of the Ori.

No, sorry, you are mistaken.
1) The Ori had more power then the Ancients, since human beings were worshiping them
2) The Ori were killed by Merlin’s device.
3) Adria obtained the power which was original distributed amongst all the Ori, and this power is given the name “The Mantle”. She was able to do this, since she was Ori, but since it was only her, as the others had been killed, she received their collective power. Which is why Morgan told Daniel that she couldn’t stand up to her.

Rofl... a God huh? So why doesn't this "God" just wipe out the entire army in 1 hit for you? Instead of just doubling your offensive/defensive power?

That's most likely a decision Jason made to make the game playable. Would you play if you just started and ascended players kept hitting you once and wiping out your unascended army? Besides... like I keep reiterating... their power is derived by worshippers. The goal is to make them submit to your will.

Except that’s only 1 person (account) submitting. Also, the size of your account doesn’t affect your ascended being does it? So it’s not maintaining the story line anyway

So what's wrong with adding ANOTER driving factor to the game? Won't that just make it more appealing?

So you want to introduce a whole new set of updates to a game in which you already gripe about existing bugs/features... only to introduce a whole new set of bugs... that will eventually get deemed as "features".

You're proposing to introduce game/account changing features when numerous accounts are already established in the already existing game. It's already bad enough that admin added 13 ( eventually 15 ) new ascension levels and screwed everyone that stopped their ascensions based on the existing state of the game. There's plenty of people that stopped playing after that happened, and even more people that are still hurting from that update as we can see by the number of LG-AG accounts with high UPs in the market. Now you wanna introduce something that essentially says... wait, you didn't need to ascend to get competitive bonuses. That's just like giving every one of us that has spent all that time ascending a big middle finger with a **Filtered** you on top.

Same as last time. Your DON’T read mate…
“You didn't need to ascend to get competitive bonuses” if you read the first post, you’d see

Compensation:
Now, I know some of you will be saying, “This is unfair for those whom have ascended. If they wanted to use this, then they would loose all their ascended bonuses, and have to start from scratch again”. I have worked out a method of ‘compensation’ for these players.
Those whom have ascended beyond the 10th ascension, will get their (ascension level +2) as their race unique tech level. Eg, I’ve ascended 20 times, so I’ll get Tech Level 22 (20 + 2). Those whom are 10th or lower, will get their (ascension level / 2, rounded up) as their tech. Eg I’m level 6 (LG+1), so I would get Tech Level 3 (6/2). This is halved, since the requirements for the tech in terms of UP are about 1/2 that of what I am proposing.

In which I detailed how people whom never wanted to ascend, can go back to an un-ascended race, and still keep the effort the exerted. And those that start out, and don’t want to play ascended, don’t have to, in order to be competitive.

[Buddha]

I have read it all.

And no offense if admin does that then he not only 100% remove the idea of Ascended, he does give the middle fingers to tons of players.

And the fact is i meet many new players who work hard to get their first ascentions. Its part of the game and making unascended accounts competive then we just take this game and ruine it even more.

I would rather say you should come up with a update to fix issues on Ascended instead.

just my 2 cents.

[Sarevok]

And no offense if admin does that then he not only 100% remove the idea of Ascended, he does give the middle fingers to tons of players.

How is that exactly?
People are always saying, they don't want to play ascended. But they need to ascend to be competitive. If they have another option, then what's wrong with that?

And the fact is i meet many new players who work hard to get their first ascentions. Its part of the game and making unascended accounts competive then we just take this game and ruine it even more.

And what's wrong with working hard to get your first tech upgrade? Similar bonuses, no need to play another server, which you may not have time to play, and thus run the risk of being de-ascended, and loosing those bonuses.
And before saying Ascended accounts should have better bonuses, cause of that risk of being deascended, it would take the person with the strongest offensive capabilities 50+ days to deascend me. And if they miss even 1 hit by a turn, then they start going backwards

[Buddha]

And no offense if admin does that then he not only 100% remove the idea of Ascended, he does give the middle fingers to tons of players.

How is that exactly?
People are always saying, they don't want to play ascended. But they need to ascend to be competitive. If they have another option, then what's wrong with that?

And the fact is i meet many new players who work hard to get their first ascentions. Its part of the game and making unascended accounts competive then we just take this game and ruine it even more.

And what's wrong with working hard to get your first tech upgrade? Similar bonuses, no need to play another server, which you may not have time to play, and thus run the risk of being de-ascended, and loosing those bonuses.
And before saying Ascended accounts should have better bonuses, cause of that risk of being deascended, it would take the person with the strongest offensive capabilities 50+ days to deascend me. And if they miss even 1 hit by a turn, then they start going backwards

I have seen Unascended accounts give ascended accounts hell even accounts ascended 23 times. Even tho they do not have a bonus to all of 47% and a Ascended Blessing of 59%.

But still I do not see why we should even considor it there are so many other things that should be fixed and are more important than this.

And yes i find it strange we go away from ascention to make unascended accounts better. Because then you actually just removed all reasons to ascend and takes away a part of the game that actually makes it fun, the fact you can be descended and loose all your bonuses.

Another thing if Admin does this then there is no reaeson for G&R points and no reason to ascend, by doing that you also remove the free SS you can buy which i think admin would love, as well as he can remove ascended server. With this update ascention is almost removed as something you should work for. Thats how i read your unascended competive update.

And i would honestly say if this happen then I think this game has lost it last reason to be played and therefore would i not play anymore.

I love the fact i have 10 ascentions to go and have to work hard for it, with your update you now take away that reason for me and many others.

Again this is my oppinion on know not all will agree with me. But i found ascention fun same with the server if a few things got fixed up there. Hence i see no reason for this update to happen and will go against it based on Ascention is a vital part of the game if you do not have what it takes then your not worthy of playing.

[Sarevok]

I have seen Unascended accounts give ascended accounts hell even accounts ascended 23 times. Even tho they do not have a bonus to all of 47% and a Ascended Blessing of 59%.

Point being? You've probably seen LG+1 accounts giving TUK accounts hell. Does that mean that we should remove the ability to go beyond 10?

But still I do not see why we should even considor it there are so many other things that should be fixed and are more important than this.

I disagree. Whilst it would be nice to see bugs fixed. I can't remember the last time that was done. With a game that never resets, whilst i agree, fixing bugs should be done, if you join a never-ending game, and there hasn't been any new things brought to the game, then it just gets boring and repetitive.
Updates keep old players around. How many ledgends have left this game? Perhaps if it changed more often, they would have continued finding it interesting, and stayed on with it

And yes i find it strange we go away from ascention to make unascended accounts better. Because then you actually just removed all reasons to ascend and takes away a part of the game that actually makes it fun, the fact you can be descended and loose all your bonuses.

Tell you what, you descended me, and i'll give you $1000. I'm good for it. Thing is, you CAN'T. So going on about how "fun" it is to descended people, becomes irrelevent when people get above 700 personal defense skill

Another thing if Admin does this then there is no reaeson for G&R points and no reason to ascend, by doing that you also remove the free SS you can buy which i think admin would love, as well as he can remove ascended server. With this update ascention is almost removed as something you should work for. Thats how i read your unascended competive update.

Wow, just wow. Do you people ACTUALLY read... AGAIN, i'll quote my VERY FIRST POST

Upgrading requirements:
**1000+ G&R. This is primarily to keep this more inline with ascensions, then anything else. More G&R can be accumulated, however, when the upgrade is purchased, G&R is reset completely to 0.
**10k UP/Upgrade Level. Whilst this is to start with MORE expensive UP wise then ascending, the costs become the same, once it reaches tech level 11+. Basically, if you are upgrading from Tech-4 to Tech-5, it would cost you 50k UP. UP is NOT reset like G&R is, instead, this is just deducted from your current UP. Again, using the example from before, if you have a 100k UP, and go from Tech-4 to Tech-5, your UP after upgrade would be 50k UP

There, i even bolded AND underlined it...

And i would honestly say if this happen then I think this game has lost it last reason to be played and therefore would i not play anymore.

And what reason is that? To descend people? Don't be silly. Even the person with the ranked1 TOC says there's people even he can't descend... But if it's another reason, feel free to state it.

I love the fact i have 10 ascentions to go and have to work hard for it, with your update you now take away that reason for me and many others.

Work hard? DON'T YOU READ... Look at the post, notice the G&R requirement AND the UP requirement. The ONLY difference is Naq, and that is EASILY accumilated with the free 2.5k AT you gain from ascending. Along with the 2.5m UU, and the 2.5T naq...

Again this is my oppinion on know not all will agree with me. But i found ascention fun same with the server if a few things got fixed up there. Hence i see no reason for this update to happen and will go against it based on Ascention is a vital part of the game if you do not have what it takes then your not worthy of playing.

And the option to commit the same effort and resouces to a different goal, is not an acceptable alternative.

[Buddha]

I have seen Unascended accounts give ascended accounts hell even accounts ascended 23 times. Even tho they do not have a bonus to all of 47% and a Ascended Blessing of 59%.

Point being? You've probably seen LG+1 accounts giving TUK accounts hell. Does that mean that we should remove the ability to go beyond 10?

But still I do not see why we should even considor it there are so many other things that should be fixed and are more important than this.

I disagree. Whilst it would be nice to see bugs fixed. I can't remember the last time that was done. With a game that never resets, whilst i agree, fixing bugs should be done, if you join a never-ending game, and there hasn't been any new things brought to the game, then it just gets boring and repetitive.
Updates keep old players around. How many ledgends have left this game? Perhaps if it changed more often, they would have continued finding it interesting, and stayed on with it

And yes i find it strange we go away from ascention to make unascended accounts better. Because then you actually just removed all reasons to ascend and takes away a part of the game that actually makes it fun, the fact you can be descended and loose all your bonuses.

Tell you what, you descended me, and i'll give you $1000. I'm good for it. Thing is, you CAN'T. So going on about how "fun" it is to descended people, becomes irrelevent when people get above 700 personal defense skill

Another thing if Admin does this then there is no reaeson for G&R points and no reason to ascend, by doing that you also remove the free SS you can buy which i think admin would love, as well as he can remove ascended server. With this update ascention is almost removed as something you should work for. Thats how i read your unascended competive update.

Wow, just wow. Do you people ACTUALLY read... AGAIN, i'll quote my VERY FIRST POST

Upgrading requirements:
**1000+ G&R. This is primarily to keep this more inline with ascensions, then anything else. More G&R can be accumulated, however, when the upgrade is purchased, G&R is reset completely to 0.
**10k UP/Upgrade Level. Whilst this is to start with MORE expensive UP wise then ascending, the costs become the same, once it reaches tech level 11+. Basically, if you are upgrading from Tech-4 to Tech-5, it would cost you 50k UP. UP is NOT reset like G&R is, instead, this is just deducted from your current UP. Again, using the example from before, if you have a 100k UP, and go from Tech-4 to Tech-5, your UP after upgrade would be 50k UP

There, i even bolded AND underlined it...

And i would honestly say if this happen then I think this game has lost it last reason to be played and therefore would i not play anymore.

And what reason is that? To descend people? Don't be silly. Even the person with the ranked1 TOC says there's people even he can't descend... But if it's another reason, feel free to state it.

I love the fact i have 10 ascentions to go and have to work hard for it, with your update you now take away that reason for me and many others.

Work hard? DON'T YOU READ... Look at the post, notice the G&R requirement AND the UP requirement. The ONLY difference is Naq, and that is EASILY accumilated with the free 2.5k AT you gain from ascending. Along with the 2.5m UU, and the 2.5T naq...

Again this is my oppinion on know not all will agree with me. But i found ascention fun same with the server if a few things got fixed up there. Hence i see no reason for this update to happen and will go against it based on Ascention is a vital part of the game if you do not have what it takes then your not worthy of playing.

And the option to commit the same effort and resouces to a different goal, is not an acceptable alternative.

I missed the bold part sorry for that but alot to read including your Ascendtion from SG show hehe.

But no why do this why not fix Ascended instead?

Why ruin ascended more i say no to your update i rather saw Ascended server got fixed as i agree there is problems including the fact its almost impossible to descend people it can be done but i also know it is so hard it almost not worth it.

The fact still remainse Ascention is something to work for not something you should avoid by being lazy and get unascended bonuses instead.

My oppinion.

And yes many legends left the game but many did because of RL issues other because the game is pretty much ruined with to many turns to easy to get, wars never ending, Ascended bugged so you can't descend and the list goes on. I do not think this would fix it i think many legends would agree with me but then again i don't know what they think so i can't say they do but i would hope and think so that they would.

[Sarevok]

But no why do this why not fix Ascended instead?

Why ruin ascended more i say no to your update i rather saw Ascended server got fixed as i agree there is problems including the fact its almost impossible to descend people it can be done but i also know it is so hard it almost not worth it.

The fact still remainse Ascention is something to work for not something you should avoid by being lazy and get unascended bonuses instead.

My oppinion.

Yeh i get that. Its just that i fail to see the key difference between the effort for ascending, and the effort for getting the techs, apart from the need to play another server.

I'm not trying to rule out ascension from the server. More give people more options then just getting the ascended blessing to work towards (cause lets face it, i'm pretty sure most people more want to get their AB % up more, then their realm stats.)

[Buddha]

But no why do this why not fix Ascended instead?

Why ruin ascended more i say no to your update i rather saw Ascended server got fixed as i agree there is problems including the fact its almost impossible to descend people it can be done but i also know it is so hard it almost not worth it.

The fact still remainse Ascention is something to work for not something you should avoid by being lazy and get unascended bonuses instead.

My oppinion.

Yeh i get that. Its just that i fail to see the key difference between the effort for ascending, and the effort for getting the techs, apart from the need to play another server.

I'm not trying to rule out ascension from the server. More give people more options then just getting the ascended blessing to work towards (cause lets face it, i'm pretty sure most people more want to get their AB % up more, then their realm stats.)

Maybe but I would leave the game if this update comes as its not something i would see happen.

I rather saw you thought of ways to fix Ascended.