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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Guild » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:57 am

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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Kjarkur » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:30 am

Guild wrote:KMA is my favourite eccentric person on this forum, he thinks the worlds out to get him :smt043
LOL !! Everything's a conspiracy with him.

Europeans, did these news about NSA really surprise you though?
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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Juliette » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:34 am

No, but I considered moving to Iceland.
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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by [KMA]Avenger » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:45 am

Guild wrote:KMA is my favourite eccentric person on this forum, he thinks the worlds out to get him :smt043

LOL, you think i post what i do because of my ego? :smt043

Kjarkur wrote:
LOL !! Everything's a conspiracy with him.
You mean not everything is a conspiracy? :shock:



Kjarkur wrote:Europeans, did these news about NSA really surprise you though?
Not me...but then again, what do i know eh?
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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Legendary Apophis » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:03 am

You sure it's not Qatar that is funding Al Qaeda to bring back the caliphate in the long term?
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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by [KMA]Avenger » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:19 am

Legendary Apophis wrote:You sure it's not Qatar that is funding Al Qaeda to bring back the caliphate in the long term?

Pretty sure :-)

http://www.presstv.com/detail/2013/04/2 ... harm-iran/

http://landdestroyer.blogspot.co.uk/201 ... -ties.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... warns.html


There's much more. for example, the CFR came out not long ago praising the Al Qaeda Freedom fighters...can't get much more obvious than that lol
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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Sol » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:30 pm

On another page....
In the wake of the past week's revelations about the NSA's unprecedented mass surveillance of phone calls, today the ACLU filed a lawsuit charging that the program violates Americans' constitutional rights of free speech, association, and privacy.
As an organization that advocates for and litigates to defend the civil liberties of society's most vulnerable, the staff at the ACLU naturally use the phone—a lot—to talk about sensitive and confidential topics with clients, legislators, whistleblowers, and ACLU members. And since the ACLU is a VBNS customer, we were immediately confronted with the harmful impact that such broad surveillance would have on our legal and advocacy work. So we're acting quickly to get into court to challenge the government's abuse of Section 215.
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secur ... -act-phone

Should be interesting to see the outcome.
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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Sniperwax » Wed Jun 12, 2013 8:58 pm

Sol wrote:On another page....
In the wake of the past week's revelations about the NSA's unprecedented mass surveillance of phone calls, today the ACLU filed a lawsuit charging that the program violates Americans' constitutional rights of free speech, association, and privacy.
As an organization that advocates for and litigates to defend the civil liberties of society's most vulnerable, the staff at the ACLU naturally use the phone—a lot—to talk about sensitive and confidential topics with clients, legislators, whistleblowers, and ACLU members. And since the ACLU is a VBNS customer, we were immediately confronted with the harmful impact that such broad surveillance would have on our legal and advocacy work. So we're acting quickly to get into court to challenge the government's abuse of Section 215.
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secur ... -act-phone

Should be interesting to see the outcome.
Not....really.....

Hate to say it but the suits currently in power are more powerful than they've ever been. I mean they make Ghengis Khan or any other Empire for that matter look like a volunteer janitor at a soup kitchen for the poor.

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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Sol » Wed Jun 12, 2013 9:48 pm

Sniperwax wrote:
Sol wrote:On another page....
In the wake of the past week's revelations about the NSA's unprecedented mass surveillance of phone calls, today the ACLU filed a lawsuit charging that the program violates Americans' constitutional rights of free speech, association, and privacy.
As an organization that advocates for and litigates to defend the civil liberties of society's most vulnerable, the staff at the ACLU naturally use the phone—a lot—to talk about sensitive and confidential topics with clients, legislators, whistleblowers, and ACLU members. And since the ACLU is a VBNS customer, we were immediately confronted with the harmful impact that such broad surveillance would have on our legal and advocacy work. So we're acting quickly to get into court to challenge the government's abuse of Section 215.
http://www.aclu.org/blog/national-secur ... -act-phone

Should be interesting to see the outcome.
Not....really.....

Hate to say it but the suits currently in power are more powerful than they've ever been. I mean they make Ghengis Khan or any other Empire for that matter look like a volunteer janitor at a soup kitchen for the poor.
Not the outcome of that lawsuit in particular, but the aftermath. It might spur quite a few to act.
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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Sniperwax » Thu Jul 18, 2013 3:44 am

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... YztH8#t=0s

Nothing surprising with this but it's short only 2 mins and removes all doubt when you look into the eyes of both Candidate Obama and President Obama as they speak.

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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Sol » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:13 am

Now that you resurrected the thread, I just read Snowden was nominated (albeit possibly too late) for the Nobel peace prize.
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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Juliette » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:19 am

Sol wrote:Now that you resurrected the thread, I just read Snowden was nominated (albeit possibly too late) for the Nobel peace prize.
Going to award it posthumously then?


I think it is safe to argue that Obama 2007 is not Obama 2013. 2013 version seems narcoleptic.
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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by [KMA]Avenger » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:23 am

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Sol wrote:Now that you resurrected the thread, I just read Snowden was nominated (albeit possibly too late) for the Nobel peace prize.
Going to award it posthumously then?


I think it is safe to argue that Obama 2007 is not Obama 2013. 2013 version seems narcoleptic.
He always was. the trouble with a first term is you cannot get away with murder....well, you can. but you get my point lol
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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Sniperwax » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:38 am

I am very ashamed of my own country not only for sinking to this but for the populous being so incredibly asinine about it. They are typically more concerned about what sort of bowel movement Mark Zuckerberg had at lunch time than they are about these matters.

Our media is completely on board with everything the government starts fiddling with. Read this sentence written in an HP article "Deputy Director John C. Inglis says it's not known whether U.S. adversaries are finding new ways to avoid detection.".

The purpose of the program was never to spy on adversaries it was to prevent terrorism or so they claim. They are fully capable of keeping their story straight but they choose not to because they know the populous is too oblivious and it is a waste of time and resources to cater to their stupidity any longer.

EU is barking a lot especially Germany but they are all talk. Had they even a shred of gusto they would default on several important tariff and defense arrangements and give the US an eviction notice on key military installations. They act angry but they are drooling like a fat kid in a candy store just thinking about all of the under the table fluff money and various political arm twisting and IOUs they can gain from this.

I could think of thousands of solid examples of why this program is quite worthy of starting WWIII but I'll give you just one for now. Love or hate the Americans and their capitalistic ways, it is not subject to debate that one of the most important of all the underlying bedrocks is the strict limitation of access to confidential information that could be used for insider trading purposes.

The persons that have access to this information work directly with the US Treasury. These are the guys that walk around with suitcases cuffed to their arm and they carry a special permit to shoot anyone they want. Information that falls into the wrong hands could result in billions of dollars being gained illegally in a short amount of time. Even when the SEC is investigating an insider trading case which mind you HAS ALREADY HAPPENED SOME TIME AGO their access to information is somewhat limited.

Guys like Snowden, thousands of guys like Snowden, sitting in comfortable chairs that are sitting in dwellings in entirely unknown locations to even our damn Congressmen....listening in on a CEO's private conversation on a secure line with his EU or Asian branch....!!!!

The type of insider trading that could be procured from this sensitive information makes the Bernie Madoff scheme look like a pathetic NAQ deal gone bad. Trillions of dollars over the years obtained illegally and spent on God only knows what.

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Re: NSA collecting US phone call data

Post by Juliette » Thu Jul 18, 2013 4:47 am

Funny story about the Taliban leader, who says he is fighting "a small elite, looking to turn the world's population into slaves, with no place for Islam" (now, I do not mind the last part, but interesting anyway). :P

I would like to have the thread title amended to "NSA collecting ALL data". This title is misleading and too small-scale. :)
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