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I am sickened and disgusted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26181615
http://www.dw.de/belgian-lawmakers-vote ... a-17245525

Malx wrote:I am sickened and disgusted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26181615
http://www.dw.de/belgian-lawmakers-vote ... a-17245525

Question, I mean no insult or disrespect, but have you ever cared for a terminally ill child?

I work in a hospice that cares for the terminally ill, specifically focusing on cancer pacients.

This is probably one of those things I would say; all or none. In the overarching case of euthanasia, none.

Malx wrote:I am sickened and disgusted.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26181615
http://www.dw.de/belgian-lawmakers-vote ... a-17245525

Are you really surprized?

They call it "progress", man. Just like the sterilization campaigns done in the Mid XXth century in Sweden were done in the name of progress, same as the child production factory in India where you can buy your children on catalog with eugenistic means (surrogacy). Same as the fact in some countries, children happen to have more than two legally recognized parents. Same as the fact in France, about 25% of children meant to be born, are aborted, every year. Now euthanasia can be done regardless of your age in Belgium, and they call it progress. Because, of course, there won't be any misuses and it will all be done fairly and respectfully. LOL seriously...

And if you disagree with their "progress", they label you as a fascist!

Do they really believe children are capable of such a decision?
It scares me when I think about where this trend might lead us.

Loki™ wrote:Do they really believe children are capable of such a decision?

If they cannot, it will be up to their legal guardians.. i.e. in the case of 'unwanted', the state. Expand the 'unwanted' category to include anyone without family who shows some signs of insanity (i.e. everyone, surely you can find a state psychologist to write you off).. continue to assault the institution of family and eventually everyone will be 'guarded' by the state, then empowered to end your life whenever it sees fit.

Or it could all work out well, and we will float on clouds in the sunlight.

Loki™ wrote:It scares me when I think about where this trend might lead us.

Given history and the lack of lessons learned from it, me too.

Malx wrote:I work in a hospice that cares for the terminally ill, specifically focusing on cancer pacients.

Best 'yes' ever.

Juliette wrote:

Loki™ wrote:Do they really believe children are capable of such a decision?

If they cannot, it will be up to their legal guardians.. i.e. in the case of 'unwanted', the state. Expand the 'unwanted' category to include anyone without family who shows some signs of insanity (i.e. everyone, surely you can find a state psychologist to write you off).. continue to assault the institution of family and eventually everyone will be 'guarded' by the state, then empowered to end your life whenever it sees fit.

And the guardians deciding about it makes it even worse.
"Meh, I cba to look after this brat anymore. Lets off him."

Loki™ wrote:

Juliette wrote:

Loki™ wrote:Do they really believe children are capable of such a decision?

If they cannot, it will be up to their legal guardians.. i.e. in the case of 'unwanted', the state. Expand the 'unwanted' category to include anyone without family who shows some signs of insanity (i.e. everyone, surely you can find a state psychologist to write you off).. continue to assault the institution of family and eventually everyone will be 'guarded' by the state, then empowered to end your life whenever it sees fit.

And the guardians deciding about it makes it even worse.
"Meh, I cba to look after this brat anymore. Lets off him."

"OMG, let's adopt a kid. We can't have them for some reason, and kids are the new minipigs." *2 years later, marriage/whatever breaks apart, gets bored* "We can't put this kid through the ordeal of a divorce. Let's end his suffering."

Psychopathic.

Juliette wrote:

Loki™ wrote:

Juliette wrote:

Loki™ wrote:Do they really believe children are capable of such a decision?

If they cannot, it will be up to their legal guardians.. i.e. in the case of 'unwanted', the state. Expand the 'unwanted' category to include anyone without family who shows some signs of insanity (i.e. everyone, surely you can find a state psychologist to write you off).. continue to assault the institution of family and eventually everyone will be 'guarded' by the state, then empowered to end your life whenever it sees fit.

And the guardians deciding about it makes it even worse.
"Meh, I cba to look after this brat anymore. Lets off him."

"OMG, let's adopt a kid. We can't have them for some reason, and kids are the new minipigs." *2 years later, marriage/whatever breaks apart, gets bored* "We can't put this kid through the ordeal of a divorce. Let's end his suffering."

Psychopathic.

I can see that happening down the line. Ofc the people who made this law would object fiercely, but this is a step in that direction.

Here's a good idea, since we can legally kill terminally ill kids, lets abort them up to age 3!


/sarcasm.

Malx wrote:I work in a hospice that cares for the terminally ill, specifically focusing on cancer pacients.

Then you are more qualified to send such a sweeping statement!

To be honest, I'm not sure where I stand here, I've never had a child and I imagine I won't for a couple of years to come. However, I hope that I would be more than able to look after a child who is in need of care and attention that was of my own blood, however, sometimes I struggle to look after my own basic needs

To me, I believe that if somebody wished to make a passing easier, than it should be permitted, that a judical system controls our fate based on religious nonsense is ridiculous. I do not believe people that have locked-in syndrome are continuously forced to suffer in silence is a failing on human morales.

I believe that no child should have to suffer a life with no future and full of pain. I am happy to openly say that IF a child is to suffer, in pain and without any enjoyment, then somebody in an appropriate field able to distinguish this with no second thoughts, then I agree with this decision.

*Get kid*
*Get tired of kid*
*let kid get play in radioactive waste*
*legally put it down*
*party*

Field Marshall wrote:

Malx wrote:I work in a hospice that cares for the terminally ill, specifically focusing on cancer pacients.

Then you are more qualified to send such a sweeping statement!

To be honest, I'm not sure where I stand here, I've never had a child and I imagine I won't for a couple of years to come. However, I hope that I would be more than able to look after a child who is in need of care and attention that was of my own blood, however, sometimes I struggle to look after my own basic needs

To me, I believe that if somebody wished to make a passing easier, than it should be permitted, that a judical system controls our fate based on religious nonsense is ridiculous. I do not believe people that have locked-in syndrome are continuously forced to suffer in silence is a failing on human morales.

I believe that no child should have to suffer a life with no future and full of pain. I am happy to openly say that IF a child is to suffer, in pain and without any enjoyment, then somebody in an appropriate field able to distinguish this with no second thoughts, then I agree with this decision.

And who are you to make such a decision for someone else? If your life sucks by all means end it but you have no right to make that decision for someone else.

Loki™ wrote:

Field Marshall wrote:

Malx wrote:I work in a hospice that cares for the terminally ill, specifically focusing on cancer pacients.

Then you are more qualified to send such a sweeping statement!

To be honest, I'm not sure where I stand here, I've never had a child and I imagine I won't for a couple of years to come. However, I hope that I would be more than able to look after a child who is in need of care and attention that was of my own blood, however, sometimes I struggle to look after my own basic needs

To me, I believe that if somebody wished to make a passing easier, than it should be permitted, that a judical system controls our fate based on religious nonsense is ridiculous. I do not believe people that have locked-in syndrome are continuously forced to suffer in silence is a failing on human morales.

I believe that no child should have to suffer a life with no future and full of pain. I am happy to openly say that IF a child is to suffer, in pain and without any enjoyment, then somebody in an appropriate field able to distinguish this with no second thoughts, then I agree with this decision.

And who are you to make such a decision for someone else? If your life sucks by all means end it but you have no right to make that decision for someone else.

Hypothesis for a second, you have a child, who is in insufferable pain and will be forever. Lets say they are also deaf and blind, for arguements sake. You know for a fact that this pain will never subside and they will be unable of communication because of their inability to concentrate past their insufferable pain. This child will never have a life without enjoyment.

Lets also consider the arguement, without todays advances in medicine, childbirth and technology, this child would have died shortly after birth.

Who has the right to keep this child alive?