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Semper wrote:Pointless uneducated poorly thought out rant by a bitter ex-player who couldn't cut it in the game, yet still lurks on the forum pouring negative bile on any positive attempts to improve the game

Game grew back in 2005/06 because it was new and SG-1 was very popular and all over the various cable networks and even terrestrial TV channels.

This game has NEVER been "free", it's always had a cost and it's always been "Kingdom Games LTD" which incase you haven't noticed is actually a business. Ever since the start people have been able to donate to get an advantage. It's free, and still is, to play, if you want to pay you get an advantage, it's more noticeable these days sure, but the principle has been a part of the game since release.

Hate to break it to you but the whole game is based on people being competitive so arguing that it's just numbers in a game is pointless, pretty sure everyone here realises that, just like whatever you do in any other online game is the same, be it WOW, Guild wars or anything else.

All this does is give people an OPTION to get to max ascension level faster by reaching into their pocket and/or generating cash from the game or other games. No one HAS to do it, you can still ascend the standard way if preferred.

So why don't you take your whiny negative comments and shut up, hell you are not even posting any meaningful ways to improve the game, just a blanket whine about a game you don't even play about changes which actually do NOTHING to the current crop of powerful accounts, just make it slightly easier to reach max ascension level if willing to pay some cash to support the BUSINESS that runs this free to play game.

According to you that will "ruin the game", yes, of course, i mean having more active, competitive accounts can only be a bad thing, right? :smt017

Because new players really get turned on by the prospect of having 13-15 months before they can even get to keep their covert/AC levels and UP for more than 2-3 weeks? :smt017

Because people don't already trade resources and cash with other players for new accounts and/or resources for a boost? :smt017
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Game grew back in 2005 because everyone loves to hate and i made it oh-so-easy to hate the3rdlibra :P In fairness to him Rhett has done the same.

Semper, i read your post thoroughly because i like your words and how you place them but i have to disagree and through experience. I've been back 4 weeks and i'm about to have a whalloping great ascension which will give my one time ascended account a very much needed boost and gain me a multiplying factor in main i which will enable me to gain far more for my next one. I haven't spent a penny. I have in quantum, but not in main.

I've played both Star Trek and DnD and, to be honest, without their "perk packages" for this and that they are both dull and incredibly boring. I have not played guild wars. Oh hang on, i have, that is the one where, unless you pay money, you are stuck killing beetles for about a week, right?

Come on now Squire, be realistic.
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Re: Ascensions on the Black Market

To get a brand new account from 3-23 ascensions would cost 200, quitting players typically sell small tuks as low as 100, so this adds the ability for NEW players to get a level or so up, or all the way up without looking their UP, covert etc. Its a good update, i used it myself from going to king to TUK, $50 was more than worth it to me. And quite frankly if u think it did really a whole crazy amount for my stats, ur wrong i have a 5t ms 39/38 from the getgo, this just solidified my rank as a TUK and yes the value of my account surely went up. I have a 1% higher chance to AB and 5% increased stats. Do the math, its not game breaking, those who do not want to pay cash are always more than welcome to do it for free, this just bumps the ability to speed things up.

Keep it, however maybe put a limit on it for 1 ascension per day for 3-10 every 2 days for 10-20 and 3 days for the rest...or something like that.
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Well in this case the free way must be an easy way not a very hard way like before so it would be kinda balanced?!!

and about bribe the gods i do get my new ascention stats ? or just a title?
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Massacre wrote:To get a brand new account from 3-23 ascensions would cost 200, quitting players typically sell small tuks as low as 100, so this adds the ability for NEW players to get a level or so up, or all the way up without looking their UP, covert etc. Its a good update, i used it myself from going to king to TUK, $50 was more than worth it to me. And quite frankly if u think it did really a whole crazy amount for my stats, ur wrong i have a 5t ms 39/38 from the getgo, this just solidified my rank as a TUK and yes the value of my account surely went up. I have a 1% higher chance to AB and 5% increased stats. Do the math, its not game breaking, those who do not want to pay cash are always more than welcome to do it for free, this just bumps the ability to speed things up.

Keep it, however maybe put a limit on it for 1 ascension per day for 3-10 every 2 days for 10-20 and 3 days for the rest...or something like that.



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Serkan wrote:Well in this case the free way must be an easy way not a very hard way like before so it would be kinda balanced?!!

and about bribe the gods i do get my new ascention stats ? or just a title?


I'm sure it has been pointed out earlier (i apologise if not) that you receive your main account multiplyer/title but no ascended account bonus.
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Re: Ascensions on the Black Market

Thanks alot GhostyGoo., and with all do respect for every and each opinion has be stated here, this idea is cool and somehow it gives a chance to new ppl to catch up with huge old folks

old unknowns gonna be mad tho` :-k
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Succinctly put Serkan, i believe you are right.
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GhostyGoo wrote:Yesno.
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Re: Ascensions on the Black Market

Old unknowns wouldnt be mad, why would they? If anything the price would stay the same for a TUK, as having a TUK with an actual ascended etc is way better than just getting a brand new what, prophet? And paying 200 bucks for it, you pay 200 bucks for it and your looking at maybe selling it for, well 100 if not less? It is not cheap, it is geared i think more for the higher ascensions of when you get to say 15-16 and it starts costing you. Gives a nice boost, but no APP whatsoever, which is totally 100% how it should be, cheating the gods, doesnt get u far in the ascended realm...
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Massacre wrote:which is totally 100% how it should be, cheating the gods, doesnt get u far in the ascended realm...


POETRY!

I like you, guy :P

It is what i've been trying to point out in various threads. It all depends upon why are you ascending? If you ascending to gain power in ascension there is a different path to take, harder, yes, of course. If you ascend for main server infamy alone
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GhostyGoo wrote:Yesno.
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as i said already people already at unknown before this should get something extra to balance this out
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Ra wrote:wow.. as if cash hadn't already ruined the game. :neutral:

Why not just make everyone UnKnown or remove all bonuses to main...


was going to say pretty much the same why not just make everyone same ascended lvl with top powers etc and ppl slide backwards instead of moving forward.. the way things are going..

I still feel bad for the old players that had to rebuild their entire ms each time and where stuck on LG forever..
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CCexy wrote:as i said already people already at unknown before this should get something extra to balance this out

They already have, it's called being max ascension level and never having to reset their stats again, if they want to get the advantage that someone with lower ascension level has by spending money they can, umm, spend some money on naq, UU, etc and get a boost that way.

either way you cut it spending the same money on a TUK account as someone without needs to spend to GET to TUK is going to result in better gains for the TUK. All this does is lower the time taken to get an account to TUK and ultimately make the game more competitive.

On top of that no one HAS to spend money, it's a choice, so no, you are not going to "get something" just because you have the same option a lower ascended account has, which is to spend some cash to gain an advantage.

You want a boost mate, spend some cash, that is all we are talking about here with this update.
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Re: Ascensions on the Black Market

everyone would be confused or its just only me ?!! .. i dont wanna lose my levels so ill just bribe the gods, but i do want a powerful ascended account ;/
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Re: Ascensions on the Black Market

you can still get improvements on ascended by farming and to be honest unless you are ascending with much, much more than the minimum requirements in main then the amount of APP's you recieve on ascended for doing so can be matched by spending like 150 turns farming, assuming you have enough planet total to allow you to hit accounts with 150t or more DMU out anyway.

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If you have a low planet total in ascended spend on charisma and fleets ASAP, it will pay off very fast once you can begin farming the bigger accounts.
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Re: Ascensions on the Black Market

People are all complaining about others spending money, and that its always been there. That's true, but the things you buy were never permanent, and they SHOULDN'T be.

For example, you can spend $50, and get 5 ascended levels (do the last 5, from 18-23, save HEAPS), OR get the USS as follows:
"19.5T Naq
22k AT
23m UU
+4110 RAW UP
30 Merlins
1 race change & 1 name change
48 Hours PPT"

The only thing permanent in that list, is really the Unit Production, assuming you don't ascend. Everything else goes, as things bought in "free" games should.

The purchases have gone from giving yourself a temporary edge (as I think they should be), to things that are far more permanent (like spending to buy covert levels, or now ascending)
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