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Re: Ascensions on the Black Market

Who came up with this terrible idea ???


TBH the cost of ascending, time it takes and abundance of accounts for sale meant very few people bother ascending any more anyways, they just raid/farm, sell resources and buy a ready ascended account. But least they still worked for it with the raiding/farming.

This update just devalues the time & effort so many players have put in getting to where they are and is a blatent statement by admin thats he's just trying to squeeze as much $$$s out of the game as he can without working to improve it.



Whats next on the blackmarket ?

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'Win your next battle - $20'

'Win your next war - $50'

'Win the game - $1500'

Admin needs a new Porsche, donate now :smt019
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MEZZANINE wrote:'Win the game - $1500'
Well, with 7.5Q from that, you could almost win the game :razz:
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Re: Ascensions on the Black Market

I gave admin a great way to speed up ascending for newer players, to allow catch up and it was completely over looked as usual, because it didnt involve $$

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Re: Ascensions on the Black Market

As said before by Semper who I agree with 100% the only reason why this game was so popular was it was FREE and unlike a lot of other games, there was no limit to growth. No body used cash to win wars or go from complete noob account to an account that is pretty untouchable even by some who have been around for years upon years. Before the cash being spent wasnt too bad. Yes people would spend some cash here and there, but it had a minimal impact on that game. Now no one can play really without spending tons of $$. I havent seen a war or conflict or anything go on without massive cash flow being spent. Now if you play this game for free....youre pretty screwed. You have to invest $$ just to be able to even compete. Just to get an account to get you started. Sure there are resources out there generated off dead accounts, but how long for ascentions and building a semi-decent MS, and getting enough UU, just to defend yourself? The idea has potential, but the way it is its .... for a lack of a better word "too easy" to once again propel to the top with $$. As mentioned before $$ has become a resource not readily avaliable to everyone. Even people like me who do have a stable income, why invest into a game?.... hundreds or some cases thousands of dollars..... I dont get it.

I guess no bonuses in main and ascended are cool and no reset of main account. I dunno, it has potential, but it needs to be tweaked.

In my honest opinion I wish $$ never got involved. Loved the game back when it wasn't but those days will never come back. Neither will the poeple who left due to it.
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JediMasterX wrote:As said before by Semper who I agree with 100% the only reason why this game was so popular was it was FREE and unlike a lot of other games, there was no limit to growth. No body used cash to win wars or go from complete noob account to an account that is pretty untouchable even by some who have been around for years upon years. Before the cash being spent wasnt too bad. Yes people would spend some cash here and there, but it had a minimal impact on that game. Now no one can play really without spending tons of $$. I havent seen a war or conflict or anything go on without massive cash flow being spent. Now if you play this game for free....youre pretty screwed. You have to invest $$ just to be able to even compete. Just to get an account to get you started. Sure there are resources out there generated off dead accounts, but how long for ascentions and building a semi-decent MS, and getting enough UU, just to defend yourself? The idea has potential, but the way it is its .... for a lack of a better word "too easy" to once again propel to the top with $$. As mentioned before $$ has become a resource not readily avaliable to everyone. Even people like me who do have a stable income, why invest into a game?.... hundreds or some cases thousands of dollars..... I dont get it.

I guess no bonuses in main and ascended are cool and no reset of main account. I dunno, it has potential, but it needs to be tweaked.

In my honest opinion I wish $$ never got involved. Loved the game back when it wasn't but those days will never come back. Neither will the poeple who left due to it.


Can't express how much I agree with this. Good post.
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Re: Ascensions on the Black Market

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JediMasterX wrote:As said before by Semper who I agree with 100% the only reason why this game was so popular was it was FREE and unlike a lot of other games, there was no limit to growth. No body used cash to win wars or go from complete noob account to an account that is pretty untouchable even by some who have been around for years upon years. Before the cash being spent wasnt too bad. Yes people would spend some cash here and there, but it had a minimal impact on that game. Now no one can play really without spending tons of $$. I havent seen a war or conflict or anything go on without massive cash flow being spent. Now if you play this game for free....youre pretty screwed. You have to invest $$ just to be able to even compete. Just to get an account to get you started. Sure there are resources out there generated off dead accounts, but how long for ascentions and building a semi-decent MS, and getting enough UU, just to defend yourself? The idea has potential, but the way it is its .... for a lack of a better word "too easy" to once again propel to the top with $$. As mentioned before $$ has become a resource not readily avaliable to everyone. Even people like me who do have a stable income, why invest into a game?.... hundreds or some cases thousands of dollars..... I dont get it.

I guess no bonuses in main and ascended are cool and no reset of main account. I dunno, it has potential, but it needs to be tweaked.

In my honest opinion I wish $$ never got involved. Loved the game back when it wasn't but those days will never come back. Neither will the poeple who left due to it.


Can't express how much I agree with this. Good post.


I agree. I played this game because it was fun to play even without having to spend money. It used to involve tactics and being clever to outwit those you fought. There was always a gap between the bottom and the top, but now the gap is just who puts the most $$ into a game that isn't worth it.

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Semper wrote:Pointless uneducated poorly thought out rant by a bitter ex-player who couldn't cut it in the game, yet still lurks on the forum pouring negative bile on any positive attempts to improve the game


lol. One of the better attempts at an insult i've seen. I did more in and for this game than you Borek, what have you done except hide and cling to ETLs coat tails and come here from time to time to, as you put it.. spew bile on things? :-$

I'd comment on the 'uneducated' part but every time I think of you saying that about something I wrote I nearly die from laughter. So we'll spread the retort out over my destruction of your.. erm.. 'counter'.

Borek wrote:Game grew back in 2005/06 because it was new and SG-1 was very popular and all over the various cable networks and even terrestrial TV channels.


Yes, well done you picked up on one of the factors of the games growth that was so obvious I think a child without any sensory input might pick up on it. For someone who's labelling my post as being an uneducated one you've started off down that path pretty well by shoe-holing the games growth to a single aspect of it's nature.

Borek wrote:This game has NEVER been "free", it's always had a cost and it's always been "Kingdom Games LTD" which incase you haven't noticed is actually a business. Ever since the start people have been able to donate to get an advantage. It's free, and still is, to play, if you want to pay you get an advantage, it's more noticeable these days sure, but the principle has been a part of the game since release.


Untrue, the game did not start with a cash donation system, I was here in April 2005 and I certainly don't recall it, I may well be wrong but after checking the game updates and seeing MS's introduced in May 2005 (which they certainly were not) its obvious that cannot be used as a creditable source. My comment on it being free to play is not a direct statement in fact it is meant to highlight the current nature of the game by making the point to truly play competitively you have to spend $$'s which is not free (as JedimasterX kindly clarified).

Borek wrote:Hate to break it to you but the whole game is based on people being competitive so arguing that it's just numbers in a game is pointless, pretty sure everyone here realises that, just like whatever you do in any other online game is the same, be it WOW, Guild wars or anything else.


You obviously missed the point in your haste to try and throw my bile back on me. The games I listed as graphics, moving, 3D or 2D using visible characters, armies and not representations of such in numerical form like SGW does. I was certainly implying that such games have far more attraction to SGW to the broader market of consumers. It was certainly not a comment that in any way makes a point that numerical games are less competitive than 3d graphic ones.. not sure where you pulled that one from?

I wasn't arguing it's a numbers game. I was directly stating it in a point solely concerning a games attraction.

Borek wrote:All this does is give people an OPTION to get to max ascension level faster by reaching into their pocket and/or generating cash from the game or other games. No one HAS to do it, you can still ascend the standard way if preferred.


As I said, this is the negative point. It REMOVES competition, the same way the other forms of $$ spending have directly removed a lot of the competition because less people can compete at that level because it is supposed to be a free game. What do you do now? Drop $200 into ascensions and then how much more to compete with say JT or ETL? $2/3000? You could try and farm it, or buy and sell things but by the time you've done that they'll have taken that $1000 you've earned and spent an extra $1000 on top to make that lead $3/4000. Where is the broader scope of competition? This just adds to killing that as one thing people used to be able to get advantages with and compete over were ascensions.. fewer people were, had access to and could buy UnK's and this could give some competitive advantage and allow a level of competition to a broader range of players on small-medium levels but now.. it's just a transaction away, competition gone.

All people ever had was an option to spend cash and look what that option has sewn.

borek wrote:So why don't you take your whiny negative comments and shut up, hell you are not even posting any meaningful ways to improve the game, just a blanket whine about a game you don't even play about changes which actually do NOTHING to the current crop of powerful accounts, just make it slightly easier to reach max ascension level if willing to pay some cash to support the BUSINESS that runs this free to play game.


lol. A nice attempt at a conclusion (I think), but I am yet to really see anything from you. Your first (an insult) was not really here or there, your second point.. some waffling about incorrect facts and (as you put it) 'uneducated', or more accurately incomplete review as to why the game originally grew. Again your entire focus is in the wrong place, I speak not solely about the powerful accounts at the top but the entire game.. how this will effect the entire game. You're too ignorant of the broader spectrum Borek, you're expecting everyone to chuck $$'s in to take up this option or to be happy when those who can do but its not going to be like that because the majority of players have always been non-cash spenders.

The business is none of my concern. I was once on J's side but his vacant care of this community has long since zapped any sympathy I had for his business. I have offered up countless suggestions for the game over the years and most garnered critical acclaim from the community, I seem to recall quotes of 'Semper for admin'.. yet as usual the actual admin was nowhere to be found.

Borek wrote:According to you that will "ruin the game", yes, of course, i mean having more active, competitive accounts can only be a bad thing, right? :smt017


lmao. Seriously? You think that's what this will do? You're even more naive than the rest of your post makes you seem. What do you think most people enjoy more? The building and then using an account or the buying an using it? Why do you think people have been here so long (and we're still on a broader spectrum) because they just enjoy the fighting or because they enjoy the building to compete and to grow? ;)

Borek wrote:Because new players really get turned on by the prospect of having 13-15 months before they can even get to keep their covert/AC levels and UP for more than 2-3 weeks? :smt017


I'm sure it's as much sexual attraction they get from having to drop a few grand to be able to play competitively in the long term. I'm also sure a lot of those noobs (and kids, with no cash) out there will be overjoyed to see yet more **Filtered**'s buying their way to the golden lands of UnK to leave the masses behind.

Yeah it's nice to think of people being able to trade thing from other games for cash or to be able to play the market here to get cash and they buy resources but that's not playing a game even competitively.. that's a lifestyle, a job almost.

Borek wrote:Because people don't already trade resources and cash with other players for new accounts and/or resources for a boost? :smt017


lol, yes. Lets compare a quick transaction with unlimited availability and that is open to every account to a trading and bartering system that has a limited source.

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I mean, who are you kidding Borek? Obviously yourself for one but jesus mate. It's no secret J is money grabbing bugger and this is just another quick buck dressed in a ribbon. Yeah you've flicked some mention of 'business' my way but as I said before.. there are other means.

@ DuckDodgers. lol. I'd happily take you up on it if I had an account.. but I seem to recall the last two years I played the game I was constantly at war so you'd have probably had to have gotten in line.

@ GoO. A week, oh no. lol. I can't argue with personal preference in the case of an individual GoO.. my points are based off a mass consumer scope and I believe the millions, even hundreds of thousands that play these other games I mentioned fulfil that point. Yes, they do all have $$ packs but I actually know people who play these games very competitively and they have done so without buying said packs.
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You may have some points if you actually played the game Semper, but oh, wait, you couldn't handle it and ran off after numerous hissy fits when Jason didn't change the game to how you wanted it.

Real shocker that a businessman who designed, built and runs this game actually wants to make some money from it.

As i said already this change merely allows lower ascension accounts to pay to reach the maximum ascension if they so desire. They do not HAVE TO and even after they do then they are not going to be any stronger than accounts which are already TUK's anyway.

But then again simple maths appears to be beyond you. Perhaps if you spent more time on maths and less time writing essays based on incorrect assumptions, bitterness and feelings of inadequacy you would actually be able to influence the game in a direction you would be more happy with.

Sadly for you insane rants with no basis in fact by a player who doesn't even play the game and still lurks on the forum many months after "quitting" are not going to really bother anyone.

By all means come back to the game and make some rational requests/suggestions, Admin J certainly doesn't do everything "right" as far as i am concerned, but i am not going to be one of those sad little internet trolls who bash everything just because they can. I happen to think this particular update is a good one, it encourages competition and reduces the time sink required to "max out" ascensions.

I will waste no more time on you little man, put your time and effort into this game and stop being such a negative **Filtered** and i'm sure Admin J can be persuaded to help the game along a path you will find more acceptable.
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bo vasically if you pay the ten dollars you would still loose you covert levels etc
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Borek wrote:You may have some points if you actually played the game Semper, but oh, wait, you couldn't handle it and ran off after numerous hissy fits when Jason didn't change the game to how you wanted it.

Real shocker that a businessman who designed, built and runs this game actually wants to make some money from it.

As i said already this change merely allows lower ascension accounts to pay to reach the maximum ascension if they so desire. They do not HAVE TO and even after they do then they are not going to be any stronger than accounts which are already TUK's anyway.

But then again simple maths appears to be beyond you. Perhaps if you spent more time on maths and less time writing essays based on incorrect assumptions, bitterness and feelings of inadequacy you would actually be able to influence the game in a direction you would be more happy with.

Sadly for you insane rants with no basis in fact by a player who doesn't even play the game and still lurks on the forum many months after "quitting" are not going to really bother anyone.

By all means come back to the game and make some rational requests/suggestions, Admin J certainly doesn't do everything "right" as far as i am concerned, but i am not going to be one of those sad little internet trolls who bash everything just because they can. I happen to think this particular update is a good one, it encourages competition and reduces the time sink required to "max out" ascensions.

I will waste no more time on you little man, put your time and effort into this game and stop being such a negative **Filtered** and i'm sure Admin J can be persuaded to help the game along a path you will find more acceptable.


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Brothers wrote:bo vasically if you pay the ten dollars you would still loose you covert levels etc

Nope you pay 10 and just get an upgrade... everything is same except you have a new title and your 1% bonus... lol
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Yeah it's $10 to add +1 ascension level, you keep everything on your account as it is, same covert/AC levels, UP, techs, UU, mercs etc, you just add +1 ascension level with no glory requirement or 14 days waiting period, however you do NOT gain any APP's to your ascended account.
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I think it makes a whole new game for us Traders :smt060 So love this idea!
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Be interesting if J adds more ascensions. Since ALMOST everyone will NOT want to ascend and loose their covert level/UP. So that $10 (or more) starts to look mighty tempting.
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Sarevok wrote:Be interesting if J adds more ascensions. Since ALMOST everyone will NOT want to ascend and loose their covert level/UP. So that $10 (or more) starts to look mighty tempting.


He will save that for when funds run low and he needs some quick cash.
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