Income Planet Boost Tweak

[Mathlord]

Since there hasn't been a thread made about this yet, but it seems that Jason is removing the 5x boost to income planets he brought in a few weeks ago, I figure we should have a place to talk about this before it comes into effect in main instead of just the dev server.

I understand the complaints people have with making income planets so powerful, but this update has been in place long enough for many players to have invested hundreds of trills, if not quads of naq into their planets. That's not just big time $$ spenders either, it's regular players who instead of getting that next covert level decided to plan ahead and invest in planets. Removing this update will not only cost a lot of active players a lot of naq (and threaten their desire to stay active - trust me, quite a few people I know will vac again if this is removed) but it will be punishing the people who play the game the proper way, seeing new updates and adapting.

This topic can also work as a warning to anyone not paying attention. Don't spend any more naq on your income planets. Odds are soon, it will have been all a waste.

[Juliette]

Interesting.
Does anyone have the logs of last Friday's meets to provide context?

[Mathlord]

Not I, I wanted to go but had a meeting last week and the morning meeting was cancelled. I have heard rumblings for a few weeks that income planets were going to be reduced either back to original or to just 3x original. Now the dev server has been updated and income planets were reduced back to original a couple days ago. No context seen from Jason anywhere aside from heresay so I can't speak to that. I'd like to see him post about it though, would help clarify everything for all of us.

[Empy]

I don't think I have logs but I was there and Jason asked everyone what they though about it, should they stay at 500% or be removed down to 400% or 300% and everyone said they should stay. So assuming he listened... it would seem they're staying at 500%. He did want to bring them down though.

I think the argument Math makes is a non-issue and would be one Jason would push aside. The game changes all the time and everyone knows that, an investment you make at one point can be changed into something worthless the next.

I also believe Jason is thinking about making this update because of players like Stiffy, or even solely because of Stiffy and his 800bil/turn or so income. Stiffy is just an anomaly and Jason if you're reading this you shouldn't make an update and reduce income planets because of someone like Stiffy.

Income planets are one the few remaining resources mid-range players have to keep in the game and compete with players who spend cash to gain their resources. They should remain at 500%, even if cash players can abuse them and get ridiculously huge incomes. Either way people like Stiffy are going to have tons of resources... doesn't matter if they're in income planets or not. There is nothing wrong with Income planets.

[Mathlord]

It's true that in the past people have invested huge sums in attack and defense planets only for them to be made void. That said, usually that is after years of usefulness. I can't recall (maybe bad memory in my old age) an update that dramatically changed investment purposes that lasted only long enough for people to invest in it.

[Massacre]

He did a reset on the dev server, the income planet update might not be in the dev server update, i dont know specifics...but just a hunch. I have heard 3x or 4x rather than 5x but the same thing gets brought up about the players that invested heavily into them. And its true, when the update first came out, there was a bug where the purchase price of new facilities was bugged, where it cost a fraction of how much it would really cost, even at 5x. One example: For me to have gotten from 1t to 2t was supopsed to cost about 100T naq, however the players with 100b income planets could get 2t from 0 for like 60t. It was bugged, players invested into them, and then when the bug was fixed there was some grumbling because the power went down to scale to the way it should have been. In essence these players were getting 10x the amount of power, scaled down to the desired 5x ticked off a few.

If its bumped to 3x or 4x, its still more than anyone had before but the fighting will not cease over it, as you stated players having dumped 100s of T's or quads even will get hugely upset that their naq went to waste with their now unwanted planets.

Also:

I also believe Jason is thinking about making this update because of players like Stiffy, or even solely because of Stiffy and his 800bil/turn or so income. Stiffy is just an anomaly and Jason if you're reading this you shouldn't make an update and reduce income planets because of someone like Stiffy.

Thanks for the mention, and true my income is rather large. Its a headache to keep safe, its not all its cracked up to be trust me. However, I probably have not spent really one dime of the naq I have accumulated on my own account. Also, just for the record, prior to the update i had them at about 350b just so u know. I always invested into them since my start of gatewars.

[Mathlord]

He reset the dev server with the planets at 5x. Then a day or two later, they were returned to original. That seems to be the only modification he has made to the dev server, at least that I could find.

[Empy]

Here you go. Logs.

[spoiler][17:27] * adminGone is now known as adminHere
[17:28] <~adminHere> afternoon all
[17:28] <Massacre> ohhh goodie blizzard answered my ticket lol
[17:28] <Massacre> Hiya
[17:29] <~adminHere> heya feri / mass
[17:29] <Rabbid> evening all
[17:29] <Rabbid> admin coming off of ppt anytime soon
[17:29] <~adminHere> et tu rabbid
[17:29] <~adminHere> lol
[17:29] <~adminHere> maybe on dev (recently refreshed)
[17:29] <Rabbid> go on mass the server
[17:30] <~adminHere> dont tempt me!
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[17:30] <~adminHere> so - anyone here with strong opinions on income planets?
[17:30] <feri> I think they are fine as are
[17:30] <Rabbid> yeah
[17:30] <feri> would rather not see em dropped
[17:30] <~adminHere> i am debating going 3x what they were ; leave now (at 5x what were) or 4x what were...
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[17:30] <~adminHere> a lot of 'middle players' seem to favor leaving them
01[17:31] <Empy> What Feri said^
[17:31] <~adminHere> lol
[17:31] <Loki> leaving wut?
[17:31] <feri> I know from talkin to a few that had invested in them
[17:31] <Loki> income planets at 5x?
[17:31] <~adminHere> income planest at 500% of previous
[17:31] <feri> when I said they would probably be lowered
[17:31] <feri> they were extremely upset
[17:31] <~adminHere> vs. going 300% or 400%
[17:31] <Rabbid> well alot of middle players want the G and R so stat planets
01[17:31] <Empy> yes Loki
[17:31] <feri> having put resources in
[17:31] <feri> and feeling it was one of the few ways they could compete
[17:31] <Loki> stiffy's +700bil icnome is ridiculous
[17:31] <feri> and it was gonna be taken away
[17:31] <~adminHere> thats what i hear too...
[17:32] <feri> he also spent like 20quad naq on his acc
[17:32] <~adminHere> everyone knows though that the sg world is not static
[17:32] <Rabbid> waaa
[17:32] <~adminHere> things come; things go
[17:32] <feri> so its not something that everyone can do
[17:32] <Loki> well
[17:32] <feri> I know jason
[17:32] <feri> just saying
[17:32] <Loki> stiffy spends cash anyway
[17:32] <feri> stiffy is an anomoly
[17:32] <~adminHere> its the 'non cash' players i hear want to keep income up where htey are
[17:32] <Loki> so i guess income planets are a good thing for lazy bastards like SS
[17:33] <~adminHere> or the 'casual players'
[17:33] <feri> for most people it has simply allowed them to compete with getting some decent naq..
[17:33] <~adminHere> lol --yup loki -thats the short of it
[17:33] <Loki> thats what i'm saying. stiffy would be ahead anyway
[17:33] <feri> yes I use cash but speaking from talking to casual players
[17:33] <feri> they all favor keeping them
[17:33] <~adminHere> kk. hard decision ahead
[17:33] <Massacre> Lol Loki, i dont really spend the naq i make from my planets on my account, i give them away to struggling dde members
[17:33] <Loki> well even beetter then
[17:33] <~adminHere> ok - onto newgrounds.
[17:33] <~adminHere> any comments there ?
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[17:33] <Massacre> iv given out over 500t over the course of the past month or so
01[17:34] <Empy> How nice...
[17:34] <Massacre> NG is good
[17:34] <Loki> help a struggling enemy?
[17:34] <Rabbid> mass want to be friends
[17:34] <Rabbid> like best friends
[17:34] <Massacre> I have enough trouble keeping up with the 60+ DDE members that need resources
[17:34] <Massacre> What changes have u recently made to NG J? If any
[17:35] <~adminHere> massacre - i have reset hte player incomes/actions/etc --which in turn affected the market rates
[17:35] <~adminHere> so the 'difficulty of ascending' at current settings is now realistic
[17:36] <feri> theres af ew bugs in q.. one in particular allows uu to be fed by attacking someone while your happiness is low
[17:36] <feri> allows you to feed uu to someone without them lifting a finger
[17:36] <feri> people are whining about
[17:36] <feri> accusing me of being likely to abuse it
[17:36] <feri> but they wont bother to **Filtered** report it
[17:36] <feri> to get it fixed
[17:37] <EtL> for what?
[17:37] <Rabbid> when it goes live whats the rules going to be on accounts? like can you have a main and aa NG account i was just thinking wouldn't it mean we could basically just build big accounts in NG
[17:37] <~adminHere> feri - its limited now to 10% of what you throw at them
[17:37] <feri> ah ok
[17:37] <feri> well later
[17:37] <feri> *poof*
[17:37] <~adminHere> rabbid - one main; one NG - is allowed
[17:37] <~adminHere> all NG are identified as such
[17:38] <~adminHere> plus you have to 'beat' NG to get to main
[17:38] <~adminHere> and no matter how big the NG account -what shows up in main is 'stock'
[17:38] <Massacre> can u enter MAin without having beat NG?
[17:38] <~adminHere> mass -no
[17:38] <Rabbid> right ok but like it would mean there would be accounts there not going to main
[17:38] <Massacre> what is "stock?
[17:38] <~adminHere> 'stock' = identical for all ppl beating NG
[17:38] <Massacre> unascended ? typical "new" account?
[17:39] <~adminHere> rabbid -not sure on your meaning
[17:39] <Loki> but we can still have two main accounts if we go through NG? :S
[17:39] <~adminHere> and --ascension server -- any comments on that? or is sol doing good ?
[17:39] <Massacre> I think its a good idea if they start in main with maybe say 15 Ascensions or something similar
[17:39] <~adminHere> mass- yes - its good but not top
[17:39] <Loki> sol should stop the talks about raiding -.-
[17:39] <Massacre> Ascension is boring
01[17:39] <Empy> 15 ascensions is a lot..
[17:39] <Rabbid> well because i already have an account in main it'd be multi-ing to go from NG to main so i'd just build a mega NG like everyone else
[17:40] <~adminHere> rabbid - you can have 1+1
[17:40] <Rabbid> there fore making NG harder to beat
[17:40] <~adminHere> well... yes you could make NG harder to beat
[17:40] <~adminHere> meany
[17:40] <~adminHere>
[17:40] <Rabbid> putting new players at a disadvantage agin
[17:40] <~adminHere> although...easier said than done
[17:40] <Rabbid> until you make another server in 7 years time
[17:40] <~adminHere> lol
[17:40] <Rabbid> then i do the sdame
[17:40] <Rabbid> same
[17:40] <~adminHere> i'll write it on my calendar
[17:41] <Loki> so are you going to let us have a main account + an NG account that ascended to main?
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[17:42] <~adminHere> loki -yes
[17:42] <Massacre> Or....with NG coming out and the GnR shop too
[17:42] <Loki> Hmm
[17:42] <~adminHere> me + mini me
[17:42] <Rabbid> well my point it by the rules you wouldn't be able to go to main without multi-ing (breaking the rules) so i'd eventually get to a point where growth is pointless and could just sit in NG killing the little beans
[17:42] <Massacre> maybe a 5k-10k GnR bonus for a main account already existing?
[17:42] <Massacre> once "ascending" to main
[17:42] <Loki> i'll need to decide who to mass from my **Filtered** with my legal multi then
[17:43] <Massacre> Say new players get a "
[17:43] <~adminHere> and who will multi you, loki
[17:43] <~adminHere> a quote mass ?
[17:43] <Massacre> "new" main account when ascending from NG
[17:43] <Massacre> well existing players maybe should get a GnR bonus
[17:43] <Loki> they get 35/34 stiffy
[17:43] <~adminHere> 'sometimes when you piss in the abyss, it will crap all over you...' ---isnt' that the expressino ?
[17:43] <Loki> or did you change that J?
[17:43] <Massacre> lol
[17:44] <~adminHere> no its 35/34 still
[17:44] <Massacre> 35/34 is good
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[17:44] <~adminHere> etl riding the bucking horse known as 'IRC'
[17:44] <Loki> not really
[17:44] <~adminHere> loki -its enough that a new player can 'jump right in'
[17:44] <Loki> its borderline "can hold its own"
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[17:45] <~adminHere> yes exactly
[17:45] <Massacre> agreed
[17:45] <Loki> i think its k
[17:45] <~adminHere> should make wars...warrier
[17:45] <Massacre> but the point is not to have a NG come to main with a new account
[17:45] <Massacre> and destroy everyone
[17:45] <Loki> i will still walk over them but they might be able to do sometihng
[17:45] <Rabbid> yes but someone will make the mistake of i'll go to main
[17:46] <Rabbid> and then pow right in the kisser
[17:46] <Rabbid> those 4X coverts lol
[17:46] <~adminHere> lol
[17:46] <~adminHere> brb -2min
[17:46] <Massacre> The question though, is how are the ascended for these "new stock" accounts going to look?
[17:46] <OmeganLord> kyaa?
01[17:47] <Empy> byahh!
[17:47] <Rabbid> better than EtL with the toC of PC
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[17:47] <Loki> J said last week that their asc would start from scratch
[17:48] <Massacre> ah
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[17:48] <Rabbid> what he ment by scratch was...
[17:48] <Rabbid> you wouldn't be able to scratch them
[17:49] <Massacre> dunno what u guys are talking about xD
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[17:49] <Rabbid> well the only way to keep people in a game or entice new people to stay is to make them the best
[17:49] <~adminHere> bk
[17:49] <Massacre> btw Loki
[17:49] <Massacre> wanna have a quick onliner in a minute
[17:50] <Rabbid> what about admin
[17:50] <Earendil> he's too busy pumping roids into himself massacre
[17:50] <Loki> i have 15t naq...
[17:50] <Rabbid> maybe he'll come off
[17:50] <Rabbid> of ppt have a little stint with him
[17:50] <Loki> shut up eary !
[17:50] <Massacre> lmao
[17:50] <~adminHere> lol: <Rabbid> well the only way to keep people in a game or entice new people to stay is to make them the best
[17:50] <Earendil> do i need to post the log?
[17:51] <~adminHere> u know me so well ear
[17:51] <Massacre> @ Earendil u should do that
[17:51] <~adminHere> me and those roids
[17:51] <Earendil> I was talking about Loki lol
[17:51] <Massacre> lmao
[17:51] <Earendil> Our local Ruskie
[17:51] <~adminHere> yer really in russia loki?
[17:51] <Loki> no
[17:51] <~adminHere> lol
[17:51] <Loki> finnish
[17:51] <~adminHere> same thing, eh
[17:52] <Earendil> lies.
[17:52] <Loki> everyone just calls me russian -.-
01[17:52] <Empy> Yes, it is the same thing.
[17:52] <Massacre> its ok im technically russian lol
[17:52] <Massacre> part
[17:52] <Earendil> he's officilly
[17:52] <Loki> been almost 100 years since we were russian!
[17:52] <~adminHere> auz / NZ ; USA/Can ; fin/norway ... a few of those 'mistaken country' touchy subjects
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[17:53] <~adminHere> hey legendary
[17:53] <Legendary1> hello admin
[17:53] <~adminHere> ok - 10 minutes or so left...any issues ppl want to bring up aside from the usual / already brought up ?
[17:53] <~adminHere> i gotta call this one at 4pm pretty sharp
[17:54] <Loki> it seems 41339 lost his 40/40
[17:54] <Loki> wanna return them?
06[17:54] * ~adminHere whistles in the dark
[17:54] <~adminHere> lol
[17:54] <~adminHere> lost by going 41 ? want me to just subtract 1 from all levels on 41339 ?
[17:54] <~adminHere> np -- on it!
[17:55] <Loki> just add 1 and it should be fine!
[17:55] <Massacre> litteraly im lithuanian however, its lithuania now...before it was the USSR when my grandparents left in the 40s
[17:55] <Earendil> anything eastern, eastern eu can pretty much be considered old ussr
[17:55] <~adminHere> i know only one lithuanian....very strange individual
[17:55] <Loki> i thought you were a yank
[17:55] <Massacre> xD
[17:56] <Massacre> i am
06[17:56] * Earendil played the ignorant american card
[17:56] <Massacre> lol J
[17:56] <Loki> been to lithuania quite a few times
[17:56] <Massacre> i am weird
[17:56] <~adminHere> then 2
[17:56] <Massacre> LMAO
[17:56] <~adminHere> this dude was a "industrial sculptor"
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[17:56] <Massacre> Well...I...eat dry cereal
[17:56] <~adminHere> basicly made big metal stuff...with lotsa lights
[17:56] <~adminHere> lol
[17:56] <Massacre> lmao
[17:57] <Mephis> o.o
[17:57] <~adminHere> maybe for fun on main i should pre-announce a rollback
[17:57] <Massacre> a rollback?
[17:57] <Mephis> gawd dont do that lol
[17:57] <Mephis> rollbacks are terrible
[17:58] <~adminHere> starting the 3rd JUne, 12:01am -- until 4th June, 12:01 am .... it will rollback to 3June, 12:01 am ....
[17:58] <Massacre> Hell yaaaa
[17:58] <~adminHere> like a 'this reality does not matter cause its all temporary'
[17:58] <Massacre> we should do that
[17:58] <Loki> no
[17:58] <Loki> say you will do that
[17:58] <~adminHere> just an idea
[17:58] <Massacre> cause mass chaos for a day
[17:58] <Loki> and when people go crazy
[17:58] <Loki> dont roll back
[17:58] <Loki>
01[17:58] <Empy> lol
[17:58] <~adminHere> lol
[17:58] <Rabbid> it'd annoy people tho
[17:58] <~adminHere> now THAT would be funny
01[17:59] <Empy> people who do crazy stuff that they would carry over after the rollback, and everything would go crazy anyways
[17:59] <~adminHere> maybe next Arp 1
[17:59] <Rabbid> or roll it back o 05
[17:59] <~adminHere> ok - last call for comments ...
[17:59] <Massacre> -comment
[17:59] <~adminHere> apparantly my kid might actually die of starvation if not fed in the next 45 seconds
[18:00] <Massacre> LMAO
[18:00] <Massacre> go feed em then
[18:00] <Mephis> lol
[18:00] <~adminHere> lol he gonna wait --
[18:00] <~adminHere> even if it kills him
[18:00] <Massacre> thats true respect
[18:00] <~adminHere> (yes i am as empathetic in real life as in game )
[18:00] <Massacre> we could all learn something from him lmao
[18:01] <~adminHere> ok - seriously - gotta run.
[18:01] <Massacre> laters J
[18:01] <~adminHere> thanks all!! some stuff to think about
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[Ryuujin Jakka]

I don't think I have logs but I was there and Jason asked everyone what they though about it, should they stay at 500% or be removed down to 400% or 300% and everyone said they should stay. So assuming he listened... it would seem they're staying at 500%. He did want to bring them down though.

I think the argument Math makes is a non-issue and would be one Jason would push aside. The game changes all the time and everyone knows that, an investment you make at one point can be changed into something worthless the next.

I also believe Jason is thinking about making this update because of players like Stiffy, or even solely because of Stiffy and his 800bil/turn or so income. Stiffy is just an anomaly and Jason if you're reading this you shouldn't make an update and reduce income planets because of someone like Stiffy.

Income planets are one the few remaining resources mid-range players have to keep in the game and compete with players who spend cash to gain their resources. They should remain at 500%, even if cash players can abuse them and get ridiculously huge incomes. Either way people like Stiffy are going to have tons of resources... doesn't matter if they're in income planets or not. There is nothing wrong with Income planets.

their are a few others some
.with bigger inome but well hidden lol

[Dubby_CompGamerGeek2]

what's the address for the dev server again?

stargatewar.com didn't work.

[doc holliday]

I hope it stays at 5x. I had left the game but came back when I heard about the income planet update

[Mathlord]

what's the address for the dev server again?

stargatewar.com didn't work.

http://dev.gatewars.com

[jedi~tank]

if it is changed back then people should be reimbursed for their naq.

[[BoT] Jason]

if it is changed back then people should be reimbursed for their naq.

This

[Empy]

.....you know they won't be