(01:31:23am) (+RobeGateWars) hey
(01:31:23am) (+Aiz) mornin
(01:31:26am) (+Tekki) good morning
(01:31:30am) (+Aiz) i be shooting tanks :3
(01:31:32am) (~adminHere) good to see you've got irc tacled robe - the new chat (on website) should solve lotsa problems too -- anyone using that?
(01:31:34am) (+RobeGateWars) Hey Tekki you are up late too
(01:31:48am) (+Tekki) no I'm up early
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(01:32:02am) (+RobeGateWars) thanks Jason seems to be working easier now
(01:32:09am) (+RobeGateWars) yeah early
(01:32:12am) (~adminHere) you on the new one? anyone?
(01:32:26am) (+RobeGateWars) i just logged in here like normal
(01:32:40am) (~adminHere) whats normal ?:
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(01:32:49am) (+RobeGateWars) clicked irc is all
(01:32:51am) (+Tekki) yep sorry admin, using my 416 day old mirc copy
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(01:32:56am) (+Aiz)
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(01:32:57am) (~adminHere) lol nice
(01:33:21am) (+Aiz) mines is old aswell ;o
(01:33:28am) (+RobeGateWars) same
(01:33:39am) (~adminHere) lol. same as what robe ? L)
(01:33:42am) (~adminHere) Live Chat(new)
(01:33:42am) (~adminHere) Live Chat(old)
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(01:33:46am) (~adminHere) nobody using 'new' ?
(01:33:53am) (+RobeGateWars) idk i cant tell the difference LOL
(01:33:56am) (+RobeGateWars) I hate IRC
(01:34:05am) (+Tekki) hang on a ticky
(01:34:06am) (+Ifrit) morning!
(01:34:08am) (~adminHere) ya. i tried to make it failsafe. thus the 'new' setup
(01:34:11am) (+RobeGateWars) Hey Paul
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(01:34:29am) (+GateCrasher1727) testing?
(01:34:33am) (~adminHere) nice
(01:34:46am) (+GateCrasher1727) okay here we are, using the new link
(01:35:04am) (+Ifrit) I like the new link
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(01:35:23am) (+GateCrasher1727) it doesn't actually appear too bad, but let's not tell anyone that shall we?
(01:35:31am) (+Ifrit) hehe
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(01:35:44am) (~adminHere) lol
(01:35:45am) (+Ifrit) i must be paid to hold secrets >.>
(01:35:51am) (~adminHere) it even kicked paul out. sweet
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(01:36:04am) (~adminHere) ok - anyway, one new toy
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(01:36:10am) (+RobeGateWars) indeed
(01:36:41am) (~adminHere) so what else is hot? how's the alliance gift balance looking?
(01:36:48am) (&Paul) only kicked 1/2 of me out
(01:36:51am) (&Paul) points at Eternity
(01:36:59am) (+RobeGateWars) I think its too dear still like tekki posted
(01:37:04am) (+Tekki) um the alliance gifts are too expensive
(01:37:07am) (+RobeGateWars) idk how alliances can afford to buy anything
(01:37:07am) (~adminHere) 'divide a singularity into two, and .... '
(01:37:10am) (+RobeGateWars) its crazy mad
(01:37:11am) (+Ifrit) so J, I think raising the cost to repairs was more then enough to stop abuse farming, maybe add more attack repairs??
(01:37:12am) (+GateCrasher1727) how do I get out of here?
(01:37:31am) (~adminHere) how man yin yer alliance robe?
(01:37:34am) (+RobeGateWars) no one can afford the gifts
(01:37:35am) (+Tekki) I don't mind the restricted repairs, just that most alliances can't afford to do much of anything
(01:37:45am) (~adminHere) tekki how many in alliance?
(01:37:50am) (+Tekki) 22ish
(01:37:53am) (+RobeGateWars) i think there is two issues and one is cost
(01:38:09am) (+Tekki) on an allaince 3 years old
(01:38:10am) (~adminHere) k. is it raising too quick or just too expensive?
(01:38:11am) (+RobeGateWars) another is not enough attack repairs to mass the mega defences players are now building as a result of the changes
(01:38:21am) (+RobeGateWars) just too expensive as a base line
(01:38:25am) (~adminHere) 'building' -- is good ?
(01:38:29am) (+Tekki) I think there is enough repairs - you are just going to have to do it the hard way
(01:38:32am) (~adminHere) opposed to sitting aroudn no def?
(01:38:48am) (+Tekki) um depends on how big you think is good
(01:38:49am) (~adminHere) i'd do 'repair against another alliance only' if i could
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(01:38:51am) (~adminHere) lol
(01:38:53am) (+Tekki) completely and utterly unmassable?
(01:39:02am) (~adminHere) maybe its not a daily reset, but weekely
(01:39:03am) (+RobeGateWars) idk how do you mass a mega defence that cant be massed normally without repairs like the 250t defence Feri built
(01:39:14am) (+RobeGateWars) no one can get enough supers to mass that
(01:39:19am) (~adminHere) so you get (what is it 10 a day?)
(01:39:20am) (+Tekki) well repairs on that are the lest of the worries
(01:39:23am) (&Paul) Feri is pretty cool
(01:39:31am) (~adminHere) and every week it takes 50 off or something to min zero
(01:39:33am) (+Tekki) Paul, let's not get into who is cool or not
(01:39:38am) (&Paul) 250t def
(01:39:40am) (&Paul) is cool
(01:39:54am) (+RobeGateWars) seriously though if players can build defences that cant be massed whats the point
(01:39:55am) (~adminHere) seriously -same cost, but can 'build up' a lot more of them?
(01:39:56am) (+Tekki) like 1billion army?
(01:40:08am) (~adminHere) woudl require saving and using 'in one shot' but could do
(01:40:13am) (~adminHere) yes?
(01:40:19am) (+Tekki) actually no admin
(01:40:20am) (&Paul) so ur upset cuz u cant mass feri?
(01:40:27am) (~adminHere) why tek?
(01:40:29am) (+RobeGateWars) PPT and Alliance Bank Upgrades are way to expensive
(01:40:40am) (+Tekki) can't get enough supers to mass that much
(01:40:52am) (~adminHere) even w/ repairs still think couldn't ?
(01:41:05am) (~adminHere) i can tweak cost
(01:41:06am) (+Tekki) it's not about the repairs in this case, it's the supers
(01:41:09am) (+RobeGateWars) paul its not about feri its just an example that if you cant build a strike to mass a defence then mechanics are wrong
(01:41:09am) (~adminHere) ah
(01:41:15am) (+Tekki) there's two issues - the costs
(01:41:20am) (+Tekki) and the massing of super big defences
(01:41:20am) (~adminHere) what stopped you from doing that before?
(01:41:21am) (&Paul) thats not exactly true
(01:41:25am) (&Paul) u can build a strike
(01:41:29am) (&Paul) u just dont have nuff super to do so
(01:41:37am) (+RobeGateWars) off you go then Paul show us how its done
(01:41:38am) (+Tekki) and I can't get enough UU to do it
(01:41:48am) (+RobeGateWars) cause it dam well not possible if you do the maths
(01:41:51am) (&Paul) so its not a repair issue
(01:41:54am) (&Paul) its a uu issue
(01:41:56am) (+RobeGateWars) its both
(01:42:01am) (~adminHere) again - why did this not pose issue before?
(01:42:22am) (+RobeGateWars) alliance gift changes means you cant mass defences now with alliance repairs
(01:42:29am) (+RobeGateWars) so its more expensive
(01:42:39am) (+RobeGateWars) plus alliance repairs are more expensive
(01:42:44am) (~adminHere) <&Paul> so its not a repair issue
(01:42:44am) (~adminHere) <&Paul> its a uu issue
(01:42:49am) (+RobeGateWars) no its both
(01:42:57am) (+RobeGateWars) in my opinion having done the maths
(01:42:58am) (&Paul) 560,260,499 Supers needed ot mass a 250t def
(01:42:59am) (~adminHere) so if you had repairs, you coudl do it?
(01:43:07am) (~adminHere) i've not done the math
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(01:43:09am) (&Paul) well to matcha 250t def
(01:43:15am) (+Tekki) there you go Paul
(01:43:21am) (~adminHere) ya but thats whole alliance?
(01:43:25am) (+RobeGateWars) ok anyway its not about feri
(01:43:33am) (+Tekki) that's one defence
(01:43:37am) (+RobeGateWars) like Tekki said the cost of gifts are too dear full stop
(01:43:43am) (~adminHere) ya i got that
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(01:43:50am) (+Ifrit) as I said early raising the cost of weapons was enough to get rid of the abuse from farmers, now if they use it they will deplete bank. But also I think what Tekki and Robe are saying is your plague mechanics is broke
(01:43:54am) (~adminHere) i am wondering though about increasing 'daily limit' to 'weekly limit'
(01:43:57am) (+RobeGateWars) if players are now going to build a 250t defence then its going to be impossible to mass them
(01:44:13am) (~adminHere) then instead of zero setting, say removing80% of weekly gain
(01:44:18am) (~adminHere) on weeks end
(01:44:35am) (+RobeGateWars) it was meant to be a massing update and reducing the number of strike weapon repairs to 6 a day is not enough to MASS
(01:44:53am) (~adminHere) robe - could not more than one person mass?
(01:44:57am) (~adminHere) and again 6x7=42
(01:44:59am) (~adminHere) per week
(01:45:19am) (~adminHere) then at week's end i could remove, say 30,
(01:45:21am) (+RobeGateWars) i think it was good to reduce the number of repairs, i think it was extreme to reduce them to 6
(01:45:22am) (~adminHere) to min zero
(01:45:23am) (+Tekki) while more than one person can mass, to mass a single super defence, the resources need to go to one person
(01:45:34am) (~adminHere) ah..one or two
(01:45:39am) (~adminHere) i think it can be done
(01:45:45am) (+RobeGateWars) only using Feri as example cause he has the largest so its a good example
(01:45:46am) (~adminHere) with saving, and if i change daily to weekly
(01:46:08am) (+Aiz) <+RobeGateWars> idk how do you mass a mega defence that cant be massed normally without repairs like the 250t defence Feri built <---- haters gonna hate ;o
(01:46:10am) (+RobeGateWars) idk why it has to be so complicated
(01:46:23am) (+RobeGateWars) why not do things gradually rather than in extremes
(01:46:26am) (~adminHere) simpilify for me then
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(01:46:30am) (~adminHere) whats the simple answer?
(01:46:42am) (+Tekki) um there's still a few issues with the balance of alliance gifts, not just the repairs though - the cost of the other things are too expensive as well - to be utilised regularly
(01:47:05am) (~adminHere) is anything not too expensive ?
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(01:47:09am) (+Tekki) Admin the way it's structured now encourages the disbanding of alliances every year to keep the cost down
(01:47:11am) (+RobeGateWars) We massed a 106 defence before and it cost a great amount of resources and that was with alliance repairs
(01:47:26am) (+RobeGateWars) without alliance repairs its probably not possible cause its not affordable
(01:47:27am) (~adminHere) tek - its not age, but member count, that raises costs
(01:47:41am) (+RobeGateWars) Tekki is right costs are too dear overall
(01:47:43am) (+Tekki) it's age count as well, unless you altered teh calculation
(01:47:52am) (~adminHere) and the repair (att) is for farming
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(01:47:54am) (+Tekki) the base price was meant to double each year of age allaince
(01:47:57am) (+RobeGateWars) especially PPT and Bank increases
(01:48:10am) (~adminHere) oh h-- no tekk -- double each YEAR. period
(01:48:11am) (+RobeGateWars) no one can afford them
(01:48:12am) (~adminHere) inflation
(01:48:25am) (+RobeGateWars) its the baseline that is wrong not the inflation i think
(01:48:35am) (+Tekki) unfortunately though Admin, the size of my allaince - member wise, doesn't double each year
(01:48:48am) (~adminHere) ya i got taht point. tekk -- that does not matter... there are 2 mlutipliers
(01:48:52am) (~adminHere) 1 is member count/5
(01:48:59am) (~adminHere) other is age since apr15, 2011
(01:49:05am) (~adminHere) GAME AGE, not alliance age
(01:49:11am) (+RobeGateWars) 160b for one gift to increase alliance bank for us
(01:49:16am) (+RobeGateWars) no one is ever going to use it
(01:49:22am) (~adminHere) so if it costs 100 for 10 members now, in one year it will cost 200 -- even for a new alliance
(01:49:43am) (+RobeGateWars) 240b for one PPT
(01:49:58am) (+Ifrit) right but if say 10 member only add 50b a day then...
(01:49:59am) (~adminHere) ya i got aht point robe - what would you reduce things by ? % wise? and equal to all gifts? whats your feel for that?
(01:50:03am) (+Tekki) which means for an allaince of 20 members, with small incomes, they can't do anything becaue they don't get enough naq into the bank
(01:50:08am) (+RobeGateWars) i just feel its a complicated formula
(01:50:27am) (~adminHere) i learned things need to increase in time, or they get too cheap, too quickly
(01:50:41am) (+RobeGateWars) if players want to make massing the mega defences possible you will need more alliance repairs for strike than 6 a day
(01:50:42am) (~adminHere) look at cost of unit training, for example
(01:51:17am) (+Tekki) I would leave bank increases untouched by member count -t hose are needed and are useful for new accounts
(01:51:25am) (&Paul) {04/29}[11:47] <~adminHere> and the repair (att) is for farming
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(01:51:26am) (+RobeGateWars) indeed
(01:51:48am) (+RobeGateWars) paul its not being used for farming at these prices
(01:51:56am) (+RobeGateWars) so the number should be increased for massing
(01:52:02am) (+RobeGateWars) like Ifrit said
(01:52:14am) (+Tekki) new members to the game can't do anything because their banks are too small and with the change in cost to bank increase they can't even join an alliance to have their banks increased
(01:52:41am) (~adminHere) hm. ya. let me think about that
(01:52:49am) (~adminHere) issue is same without alliance i assume.
(01:52:55am) (+RobeGateWars) so i think overall costs went crazy high from one extreme to another without notice and many players are wishing they updated things before and didnt get a chance
(01:52:55am) (+Ifrit) look cost is to high based on income gathered a day
(01:53:07am) (+RobeGateWars) spot on
(01:53:17am) (+Tekki) yes Admin but before the change, a new account could make friends with an alliance and join them when they were doing bank increase
(01:53:17am) (+Ifrit) what is the point of having 30 day if I can only afford 2 a day?
(01:53:17am) (+RobeGateWars) way way way way too high
(01:53:48am) (~adminHere) yes, i got taht point
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(01:53:50am) (+RobeGateWars) and seriously 6 strike repairs in 24 hours is not going to help anyone mass
(01:53:55am) (+Tekki) sure big banks will get bigger but so will little banks and if someones 2q bank gets a big bigger, so what? the storage of naq for them is not really an issue, the storage of naq for someone with a 1t bank trying to save for a 12t covert level IS an issue
(01:53:59am) (~adminHere) i did ask, what % would you lower it to make it 'reasonable but pricey'
(01:54:13am) (+RobeGateWars) i cant see anyone elses bank
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(01:54:44am) (&Paul) wat do u wanna know bout bank
(01:54:51am) (&Paul) ill post stats for mine adn my allaicnes
(01:55:10am) (+RobeGateWars) well for TL we cant afford them so can smaller allainces is what i was thinking
(01:55:10am) (+Ifrit) my bank is only 225t
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(01:55:23am) (+RobeGateWars) Tekki did the maths though
(01:55:28am) (&Paul) i can
(01:55:34am) (&Paul) 3 man alliance
(01:55:42am) (&Paul) 200bil bank (alliance) 22bil per upgrade
(01:55:46am) (+SlayerS_fith) hey Admin
(01:55:54am) (+RobeGateWars) should one alliance repair be 240b - i think not
(01:56:19am) (&Paul) its 22bil for me to reapir alliance weapons
(01:56:27am) (+RobeGateWars) should one alliance bank upgrade be 160b
(01:56:29am) (+Aiz) drop some members robe
(01:56:30am) (+RobeGateWars) nope
(01:56:31am) (+Tekki) and how much a turn does your allaince make? Paul?
(01:56:53am) (&Paul) 1% of 60bil
(01:56:56am) (+RobeGateWars) I mean who wants to use their entire bank to buy things
(01:57:02am) (&Paul) im assuming
(01:57:11am) (+RobeGateWars) so for me i would take it back down by a lot Jason
(01:57:14am) (&Paul) ithink 2240bil for a large alliance is fair
(01:57:15am) (&Paul) honestly
(01:57:15am) (+RobeGateWars) 80% maybe
(01:57:23am) (&Paul) 240*bil
(01:57:25am) (+RobeGateWars) i think they had a 600% incrase or something
(01:57:28am) (~adminHere) so to 20% of current cost???
(01:57:32am) (+RobeGateWars) sorry no it was more
(01:57:42am) (+Tekki) So Paul you make 28.8b a day int he allaince bank, roughly
(01:57:44am) (+RobeGateWars) 20 thousand increase it was
(01:57:44am) (+Aiz) drop a few members robe and ur prices will go down
(01:57:47am) (+RobeGateWars) thousand....
(01:57:50am) (+Tekki) and you have to spend most of that on ONE allaince repair
(01:57:58am) (&Paul) yah
(01:58:01am) (&Paul) but heres teh thing
(01:58:06am) (+RobeGateWars) so this is the trouble with doing too much as once you have to bracket
(01:58:07am) (&Paul) the cost ot reapir entire allaince
(01:58:10am) (&Paul) isnt based on weapons
(01:58:17am) (&Paul) its based on members
(01:58:17am) (~adminHere) yes i see that robe
(01:58:18am) (+RobeGateWars) i would take a wild stab in the dark and say its 80% too dear
(01:58:23am) (+Ifrit) ok... so what about newer alliances that have large member base and smalll army sizes?
(01:58:31am) (+RobeGateWars) thats just a guess though
(01:58:34am) (+Tekki) yep, they are screwed Ifrit
(01:58:42am) (~adminHere) ifrit - they do nto benefit from the weap repair as much
(01:58:45am) (~adminHere) so they'd get bank
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(01:58:45am) (+RobeGateWars) whats your gut saying Tekki
(01:58:54am) (+RobeGateWars) 80% reduction?
(01:58:58am) (+RobeGateWars) to suck it and see
(01:59:04am) (+Ifrit) like say allianceMembers.php?id=17045
(01:59:09am) (~adminHere) i am thinking a rotating reduction would be interesting
(01:59:10am) (&Paul) id cut it by 25%
(01:59:13am) (&Paul) and see how it goes
(01:59:20am) (+Ifrit) 48 members highest armysize 100m ish
(01:59:23am) (+RobeGateWars) I think jason sometimes you over think these formulas
(01:59:30am) (+Tekki) I'd remove the upgraded cost for bank sizes entirely
(01:59:30am) (+Ifrit) they cant afford anything...
(01:59:34am) (~adminHere) robe - to use your own argument, it would be best to take baby steps, and not change it too much at once
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(01:59:35am) (+RobeGateWars) based on minority feedback
(01:59:43am) (+RobeGateWars) right
(01:59:50am) (+Aiz) ofcourse
(01:59:52am) (+RobeGateWars) so you had a 20 thousand increase
(02:00:02am) (~adminHere) lol i know
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(02:00:03am) (+RobeGateWars) how do you bracket back on that unless its huge at 80%
(02:00:14am) (~adminHere) i mean my smileys!
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(02:00:22am) (+RobeGateWars) 50% is not enough
(02:00:28am) (+RobeGateWars) especially with the inflation you built in
(02:00:31am) (+SlayerS_fith) ok whats the main issue here. the new increase din ther alliacne bonus's?
(02:00:32am) (~adminHere) i am ok at 80% but i may do it 'weekly'
(02:00:44am) (~adminHere) ya slayer - expensive allinace 'gifts'
(02:00:47am) (+SlayerS_fith) im not entirly with it to give a appropriate answer
(02:00:50am) (~adminHere) (gifts you have to buy, but still
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(02:01:12am) (+RobeGateWars) just saying its too dear and not sure what the answer is but i know as one of the top alliances we cant afford to use any and have not done any since the update
(02:01:17am) (+Tekki) remove the extra cost on the bank upgrade
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(02:01:24am) (+RobeGateWars) and PPT
(02:01:36am) (+RobeGateWars) they are no brainers way too expensive
(02:01:50am) (+RobeGateWars) idk 80 is a start
(02:02:16am) (+RobeGateWars) the huge defences out there now are so expensive to mass we need more than 6 strike repairs a day
(02:02:31am) (+Aiz) i think ppt should stay ;o
(02:02:36am) (~adminHere) ok got it in hand.
(02:02:43am) (+Aiz) expensive that is
(02:02:43am) (~adminHere) will have something out gby next meet
(02:02:54am) (+RobeGateWars) i mean all we do is test it and see, no one has the perfect number
(02:02:58am) (~adminHere) should hopefully meet some expectations
(02:02:59am) (~adminHere)
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(02:03:03am) (+Ifrit)
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(02:03:09am) (+Tekki) ... cautious thank you Admin (full thank you waiting on what the 'something' is)
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(02:03:13am) (+RobeGateWars) well you had to start somewhere
(02:03:25am) (+RobeGateWars) thanks for doing the maths too tekki in the thread
(02:03:30am) (+RobeGateWars) that clarified it for me as well
(02:03:36am) (~adminHere) lol yes. welcome (cautious until i know things are not going to get ugly )
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(02:03:56am) (+Tekki) lol what math, I'm surprised it took a week for people to notice it, though maybe they were in chocolate shock from easter?
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(02:04:00am) (+Ifrit) any chance you have glanced at that thread I made for you J?
(02:04:07am) (+RobeGateWars) sure so i understand and agree that we dont want players abusing repairs to farm and at 2b a repair of coursse they were
(02:04:07am) (~adminHere) yes i have
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(02:04:12am) (+Ifrit) good
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(02:04:16am) (+RobeGateWars) but now they are 20k times dearer
(02:04:17am) (+Ifrit) thanks
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(02:04:23am) (+RobeGateWars) can we have some more so we can actually mass
(02:04:24am) (+RobeGateWars) please
(02:04:25am) (+Tekki) which thread? what threat?
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(02:04:43am) (+Tekki) um thread
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(02:04:45am) (+RobeGateWars) for my thinking
(02:04:46am) (~adminHere) robe - see my last answr : <~adminHere> will have something out gby next meet
(02:05:13am) (+RobeGateWars) if an alliance can use 30 defence repairs a day to same themselves, why can the opposing alliance use 30 strike repairs a day to mass them
(02:05:21am) (+RobeGateWars) equity is required for both parties
(02:05:40am) (+RobeGateWars) so i think it shoudl be 30 and 30
(02:05:44am) (+RobeGateWars) so we can actually mass in wars
(02:06:02am) (+SlayerS_fith) im not entirely sure what th e ain problem is
(02:06:03am) (+RobeGateWars) thats a huge reduction from what it was at 480
(02:06:12am) (+SlayerS_fith) why not just make it 30 rapires a day in total
(02:06:28am) (+SlayerS_fith) llook my only problem thus far with the new update is the alliance bank increase.
(02:06:32am) (+RobeGateWars) well if they are divided then i think it shoudl be even
(02:06:36am) (+SlayerS_fith) and how much it went up
(02:06:37am) (+RobeGateWars) so 30 and 30 is good
(02:06:42am) (+Tekki) At the moment Slayer it's a number of issues - the cost and the amount of repairs - though I'm fine with the amount of repairs
(02:06:44am) (+RobeGateWars) 480 went to 60
(02:07:06am) (+RobeGateWars) its favoured defensive players over those that want and need to fight back
(02:07:16am) (+RobeGateWars) small alliances were screwed over by this
(02:07:33am) (+RobeGateWars) how do they fight a huge alliance if they cant repair striek weapons and big alliances can repair defence weapons
(02:07:34am) (+SlayerS_fith) the reapire systme is close to fine aside fomr adjustments needed
(02:07:38am) (+RobeGateWars) i just think equity is required
(02:07:45am) (+SlayerS_fith) u know what the game needs? more Caps
(02:07:56am) (+SlayerS_fith) its beginign to be 2 damn **Filtered** hard
(02:07:58am) (+Tekki) or better plague?
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(02:08:03am) (+SlayerS_fith) for new players to catch up
(02:08:09am) (&Paul) okay tekki and robe
(02:08:10am) (+SlayerS_fith) to the abusive $$ spenders
(02:08:11am) (&Paul) before u go
(02:08:14am) (&Paul) i have a questio
(02:08:14am) (+Tekki) And Slayer, watch your languge
(02:08:18am) (&Paul) about the alliance repair
(02:08:24am) (&Paul) when massing say a 250t def
(02:08:28am) (+SlayerS_fith) my bad xD
(02:08:29am) (&Paul) it being unmassabl
(02:08:36am) (&Paul) eis this while u mas them there able to also repair?
(02:08:41am) (+Tekki) which I can't do anyway as I don't have enough supers
(02:08:49am) (&Paul) or is it unmassable even if there away
(02:08:51am) (+Tekki) and according to you can't get enough supers
(02:09:11am) (+SlayerS_fith) the plagues could use a lil bump up
(02:09:18am) (+SlayerS_fith) but my view is still solid
(02:09:23am) (&Paul) i think plague is working
(02:09:26am) (+Tekki) oh I think it could use a pretty big bump up
(02:09:27am) (&Paul) quite well actually
(02:09:39am) (+SlayerS_fith) theres 2 much ill jsut spend $$ on the game n buy off other members rather then ill spend time n effort to build accounts
(02:09:54am) (+SlayerS_fith) effecticly cuts off new players
(02:10:04am) (+RobeGateWars) well i think you cant solve everything in 60 min
(02:10:18am) (+SlayerS_fith) more then True
(02:10:21am) (+RobeGateWars) i like the idea of everyone debatin ideas in suggestions before poking admin here
(02:10:29am) (+Ifrit) plague isnt working.....1b army is still rising.... 532m is plague and its not exponential when he is nearly double that.......
(02:10:31am) (+RobeGateWars) so everyone has a chance to post their opinion
(02:10:52am) (+RobeGateWars) Tekki is right in that plague is flat lined
(02:11:10am) (+RobeGateWars) its not expoential
(02:11:20am) (+RobeGateWars) is it?
(02:11:37am) (+Tekki) um it does grow a bit, but I never got that far above it, it's obviously not growing enough though
(02:11:58am) (+RobeGateWars) i just thought that if players were going to build uber defences then its not going to be possible to mass them is all for a variety of reasons
(02:12:02am) (+SlayerS_fith) we need more variety of people here
(02:12:03am) (+SlayerS_fith) imo
(02:12:08am) (+SlayerS_fith) we see the game differently
(02:12:13am) (+SlayerS_fith) comapred to those form a lower standing
(02:12:23am) (+Ifrit) yea
(02:12:23am) (+SlayerS_fith) being us at the top end of plaers now
(02:12:29am) (+SlayerS_fith) look the games still the same
(02:12:32am) (+SlayerS_fith) in alot of ways
(02:12:35am) (+SlayerS_fith) for those who start
(02:12:40am) (+SlayerS_fith) my problem is and always has been
(02:12:42am) (+SlayerS_fith) evening th eodds
(02:12:50am) (+SlayerS_fith) to make things realy more on skill and determination
(02:12:54am) (+SlayerS_fith) to win wars n stuff
(02:13:02am) (+SlayerS_fith) lvl 39 cov?
(02:13:07am) (+SlayerS_fith) 5t ms's?
(02:13:30am) (+SlayerS_fith) even tho makret n normaly farming idea's etc have adapted to whats being generated out in the game
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(02:13:37am) (+SlayerS_fith) its not enough
(02:13:45am) (+SlayerS_fith) theres lil players that are forced to hit
(02:13:49am) (+SlayerS_fith) buigger stronger empires
(02:13:52am) (+SlayerS_fith) to struggle to grow
(02:13:58am) (+SlayerS_fith) and with how empires n such are now
(02:14:05am) (+SlayerS_fith) wihtr loads of huge accounts based in same factions
(02:14:09am) (+SlayerS_fith) these smaller accounts
(02:14:12am) (+SlayerS_fith) get smashed down
(02:14:14am) (+SlayerS_fith) n dont grow at all
(02:14:15am) (~adminHere) working on that slayer
(02:14:18am) (+RobeGateWars) thats is why ideas should be debated in forum first slayer
(02:14:30am) (+SlayerS_fith) you'ld literally have to stay under the radar for 2 years
(02:14:37am) (+SlayerS_fith) 1 year to ascend
(02:14:39am) (+RobeGateWars) so everyone has a chance to put their POV across first publically rather than just through 100 ideas in the air and hope jason can catch them all
(02:14:47am) (+SlayerS_fith) 1 year to farm enoguht o get to a minimum 2t ms n lvl 37 cov
(02:15:06am) (+SlayerS_fith) i agree
(02:15:10am) (~adminHere) <~adminHere> working on that slayer
(02:15:14am) (+SuperSaiyan) slayer I've been playing almost 4years and don't have that >_>
(02:15:46am) (+Tekki) start a HVE fund and divert the resources
(02:15:49am) (+SlayerS_fith) i admit to have used $$ to gain a needed grasp on the game
(02:16:03am) (+SlayerS_fith) and ive brought a player who spent over 3k on this game
(02:16:06am) (+SlayerS_fith) n buying n trading
(02:16:09am) (+SlayerS_fith) and fromw hat i can tell
(02:16:12am) (+SuperSaiyan) my resources go to the noobs tekki, I don't take from them
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(02:16:13am) (+SlayerS_fith) probbaly even multiing
(02:16:20am) (+Tekki) I know SS
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(02:16:23am) (+SlayerS_fith) to get these levels
(02:16:26am) (+SlayerS_fith) but its rediculous
(02:16:32am) (+SlayerS_fith) i todl odin today
(02:16:36am) (+SlayerS_fith) i shoudl jsut sell up
(02:16:39am) (+SlayerS_fith) pay my debts
(02:16:42am) (+SlayerS_fith) start a new account
(02:16:48am) (+SlayerS_fith) see how its handled in th elower levels
(02:17:04am) (+SlayerS_fith) get back to being the udnerdog n enjoy th egame
(02:17:17am) (+SlayerS_fith) mayb sgw needs yearly resets?
(02:17:22am) (+SuperSaiyan) no
(02:17:27am) (+SlayerS_fith) *gw
(02:17:34am) (+SlayerS_fith) sorry we lost our theme didnt we
(02:17:37am) (+Tekki) Slayer if you come out for sashimi, I will make sure you get pufferfish for that comment
(02:17:37am) (+SuperSaiyan) a reset is a kick in the groin to every long standing player
(02:18:02am) (+SlayerS_fith) lol what?
(02:18:03am) (+RobeGateWars) haha Tekki thats a good one
(02:18:06am) (~adminHere) no reset on main
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(02:18:13am) (~adminHere) i have always promised that
(02:18:14am) (+Tekki) well SuperSaiyan, a new server is also a kick in the groin for them
(02:18:16am) (+Ifrit) or ascended >.>
(02:18:17am) (+SlayerS_fith) "on main"
(02:18:25am) (+RobeGateWars) one problem at a time i guess guys
(02:18:28am) (+SuperSaiyan) not to mention, it wouldn't accomplish anything
(02:18:48am) (+Tekki) welli t would probably deteriorate the situation if you reset
(02:18:48am) (+SuperSaiyan) the same type of player would rise to power and hold it just the same
(02:18:51am) (+SlayerS_fith) jason. i did like RObes iDea of eding the funtions of Pergatory
(02:19:01am) (+SlayerS_fith) but it woudl need tweeking still
(02:19:12am) (+SlayerS_fith) but i think Robe did edit her post for it
(02:19:14am) (+SuperSaiyan) I stand by my suggestion of a new account only version of perg
(02:19:23am) (+SuperSaiyan) or something close to that
(02:19:26am) (~adminHere) ya. something like that makes sense super
(02:19:33am) (~adminHere) am toying w/ a couple ideas
(02:20:00am) (+SlayerS_fith) th eidea of account starting in Perg and then joinin main once deemed ready
(02:20:01am) (+Ifrit)
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(02:20:03am) (+SlayerS_fith) is a good idea
(02:20:14am) (~adminHere) yup. i am thinking along same lines
(02:20:24am) (+SlayerS_fith) only problems i ahve is
(02:20:29am) (+SlayerS_fith) players who woudl multi
(02:20:30am) (+Ifrit) glad you are considering revampin perg over new server at least!
(02:20:34am) (+SlayerS_fith) and use th eaccoutns as feeders
(02:21:09am) (+SuperSaiyan) like I posted in the threads about perg, I think it should be excelled growth there
(02:21:15am) (+SuperSaiyan) but with account limitations
(02:21:25am) (+SuperSaiyan) so they can only be upgraded to a certain point
(02:21:33am) (+SlayerS_fith) is there any way we can have more server admins? or people who can entrusted to hunt down multi's? or anymore
(02:21:39am) (+SlayerS_fith) ways we can to track multi
(02:21:41am) (+SlayerS_fith) s?
(02:21:41am) (+SuperSaiyan) and once they auto-move/manually move to main its like an ascension
(02:21:54am) (&Paul) SlayerS_fith y? not bein done fast nuff?
(02:22:01am) (+SuperSaiyan) certain things get stripped/you get an SS worth of resources
(02:22:05am) (~adminHere) "<+SuperSaiyan> and once they auto-move/manually move to main its like an ascension" -- yup.
(02:22:07am) (~adminHere) ascend to main
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(02:22:13am) (~adminHere) is the plan
(02:22:34am) (+SlayerS_fith) theres alot of multi's
(02:22:39am) (+SlayerS_fith) i can garentee that
(02:22:51am) (+SuperSaiyan) if tey can't bring anything tradeable with them slayer
(02:22:57am) (+SuperSaiyan) and accounts can only grow so far
(02:23:06am) (+SuperSaiyan) it won't matter
(02:23:14am) (+SuperSaiyan) you won't have a 5t ms coming out of perg
(02:23:15am) (+SlayerS_fith) i like that idea Super
(02:23:26am) (+SuperSaiyan) if it caps upgrades at say 350bil total or something
(02:23:30am) (+RobeGateWars) I have been summarising everyones feedback on that Perg revampe in the first thread
(02:23:45am) (+RobeGateWars) so its easier to keep up with the ideas that are flowing
(02:24:02am) (+RobeGateWars) If you didnt want to put a time limit on time in perg
(02:24:16am) (+RobeGateWars) you could do it by number of ascensions maybe
(02:24:28am) (+RobeGateWars) so if a player wanted to stay theire they had to be under AG
(02:24:28am) (+SlayerS_fith) the levels that come out of perg arnt my concern coz in perg you shoudlnt get huuuge levels regarldess. my problem with new accounts is people using proxies and getting them to trading levels and feeding there main accounts
(02:24:38am) (+RobeGateWars) but once they reached LG to they could elect to go to main
(02:24:39am) (+SuperSaiyan) eary wanted me to tell you something admin, but I don't remember what >_>
(02:24:42am) (+RobeGateWars) its cheap and quick to go to AG
(02:25:14am) (~adminHere) lol. thats easy to answer then super...
(02:25:24am) (~adminHere) i tell you whatever, then you forget my answer, as you forgot the question
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(02:25:32am) (~adminHere) ok gunna call it a meet.
(02:25:37am) (+SuperSaiyan) I think my initial idea was to have requirements to get into normal from perg instead of a time limit
(02:25:40am) (~adminHere) i got at least a week's worth of stuff here now
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(02:25:48am) (+SuperSaiyan) so you only get booted when you meet those reqs
(02:25:54am) (+Ifrit)
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(02:25:55am) (+SuperSaiyan) but if you meet some more than others
(02:25:56am) (~adminHere) #1 - make alliance gifts more expensive...
(02:26:00am) (+Ifrit) see you tonight
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(02:26:05am) (~adminHere) i got that right, yes?
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(02:26:05am) (+SuperSaiyan) you can't build that one thing beyond the req
(02:26:08am) (+SuperSaiyan) to prevent abuse
(02:26:17am) (+Tekki) LOL yes that bit was right yes
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(02:26:25am) (+Tekki) just possibly a little bit too enthusiastic
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(02:26:30am) (+Ifrit) lol make them less expensive....
(02:26:31am) (+SlayerS_fith) adjustments of alliacne gifts be awesome
(02:26:43am) (+SlayerS_fith) also think. bank increase's shoudl seriosuly be decreased
(02:26:51am) (+SlayerS_fith) 2 expensive for such lil increase
(02:26:56am) (+SlayerS_fith) i dont midnt he rest of the others
(02:27:14am) (~adminHere) alright thanks all!
(02:27:23am) (+Ifrit) also look at plague please
(02:27:31am) (~adminHere) i liked this meet...helpful and a low cap to character ratio
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(02:27:36am) (~adminHere) yes plauge on list for htis week
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