Admin Meeting 22/07/2011

[Tekki]

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[01:33] <commandermatt> genius
[01:33] <~adminHere> morning. and thanks matt
[01:33] <SuperSaiyan> mornin' admin
[01:33] <commandermatt> Lol hello
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[01:34] <commanderover> Moin admin
[01:34] <FM> Admin
[01:34] <~adminHere> hows the forums going super?
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01[01:34] <Tekki> I thought FM was rover...
01[01:34] <Tekki> good Morning Admin
[01:34] <~adminHere> (herebeforums.com ones...)
01[01:34] <Tekki> the forums could be better
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[01:34] <~adminHere> morning tekki
[01:34] <~adminHere> small group
[01:34] <SuperSaiyan> not bad, nothing notable to worry about off the top of my head
01[01:35] <Tekki> oh I wouldn't say that SS
[01:35] <KeeJay> Well that doesn't have to be bad, Jason
[01:35] <~adminHere> good...the 'chat' works ok?
[01:35] <SuperSaiyan> it does indeed
[01:35] <SuperSaiyan> not talking about main forums tekki
[01:35] <~adminHere> yes keejay - i need to break something or make some 'most stupid ever' update to get a good crowd
01[01:35] <Tekki> ah okay well that's something, since the main forums are becoming somewhat of a real issue
[01:36] <~adminHere> ok i'll bite
[01:36] <~adminHere> since amelia how have things gotten worse?
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[01:36] <KeeJay> lmao @ admin
[01:37] <KeeJay> Although it's only natural - but that's a problem, people should come here and discuss things instead of coming to complain AFTER updates
[01:37] <KeeJay> it should be discussed before they are put in place, most of the time
[01:37] <FM> What updates are you talking about?
[01:37] <FM> The plague ones?
[01:38] <FM> Or the fact that there is a new forum admin? o.O
[01:38] <KeeJay> I'm not speaking of any updates, I'm just taking a shot at the people who only show up here to complain after updates have been put into place
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[01:39] <KeeJay> instead of coming in here and talk before they are implemented
[01:39] <Ifrit> there is FM
[01:39] <FM> Ahh ok
[01:39] <KeeJay> and that's nobody here, just to be clear
[01:39] <KeeJay>
[01:39] <~adminHere>
[01:39] <FM> I'm with you...indeed there isn't
[01:39] <~adminHere> i have not put in any 'most stupid ever' updates recently
[01:40] <FM> Actually, i'm really happy with recent updates
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[01:40] <KeeJay> I want a stupid update !
[01:40] <FM> Same
[01:40] <FM> I wish we'd seen the no AB on plague...but hey ho
[01:40] <KeeJay> nahh that's too much
[01:41] <KeeJay> we have to be able to grow and set ourselves higher goals
[01:41] <FM> Gods don't look favourably on those trying to challenge their control
[01:41] <KeeJay> How about decreasing the AB after plague, instead of removing it?
[01:41] <KeeJay> Let's not always take it to the extreme here
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[01:41] <FM> How about decreasing it the futher into plague you go?
[01:42] <FM> If you go double the amount...100%
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[01:42] <KeeJay> I still think it's difficult to remove something you've earned for by ascending...
[01:42] <xDaku> If a user is in a plague situation (over Plague Threshold as seen in personelle/training) - you can damage them at 10% lower than normal (25% vs 35% of their defense power in your attack power).Also, their AB is 30% less likely to kick in. This applies to attack and defense.
[01:42] <xDaku> It's already been decreased after plague
[01:43] <FM> Yes, but for obvious reasons, i'd like to see that fine tuned
[01:43] <KeeJay> Yes but does it increase/deacrease further into plague ?
[01:43] <KeeJay> Coz that's now how I understand it
[01:43] <KeeJay> not*
[01:43] <FM> I concur
[01:43] <xDaku> Not from what it says, but I think that'd be a good addition. At a certain point, AB is not needed, it's a challenge enough taking down the defence as it is.
[01:43] <Ifrit> why does it matter... isnt it simplier to just have it the way it is....
[01:43] <KeeJay> for example if a certain someone goes from 800 mil army to 600 m, he should get more AB's then at 800
[01:44] <FM> More simple yes Ifrit, but then again, there is still the matter of fact that there is a current unmassable defence...
[01:45] <FM> I'm not saying it should be easy, I am saying that there should be punishment for overachieving
[01:45] <~adminHere> "<KeeJay> How about decreasing the AB after plague, instead of removing it?" --is done
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[01:45] <TheDoctor> there we go
[01:45] <~adminHere> its a fixed 30%
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[01:46] <Ifrit> i think what they are asking is for a scalling reduction like UP
[01:46] <KeeJay> Yes
[01:47] <KeeJay> If UP is scalled so should the AB, Imo
[01:47] <Ifrit> so once you are over the plague you get -30%, and as you raise it gets higher?
[01:47] <KeeJay> other then that I have no complaints, and gonna go to lunch - Tekki if you could approach me on MSN later that'd be great
[01:47] <KeeJay> l8er adminHere, take care
[01:47] <FM> All aspects of an account in plague should be...
[01:47] <FM> As far as reasonably practical anyway
[01:47] <KeeJay> Ifrit, start lower, then increase it
[01:47] <KeeJay> further into the plague
[01:48] <~adminHere> ya i get the scalling...just harder
[01:48] <~adminHere> not impossible though
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[01:48] <KeeJay> maybe start with 15 % to make it fair, 650 or 700 mil it goes to step 2
[01:48] <KeeJay> anyways my friend is pissed off and she's starting to honk the horn lmao
[01:49] <~adminHere> lol
[01:49] <xDaku> Have a good lunch KJ
[01:49] <KeeJay> l8er, think about this admin, I'm thinking it's a much more fair way to do it
01[01:49] <Tekki> hey ETL
[01:49] <EtL> hey
[01:49] <Ifrit> hey Rhett
[01:49] <FM> ETL * nods *
[01:49] <KeeJay> afternoon Rhett
01[01:49] <Tekki> it's 0130 here MSN is not goign to happen later
[01:49] <KeeJay> Ok Tekki, how about tomorrow?
[01:49] <~adminHere>
[01:49] <EtL> hola!
[01:49] <~adminHere> hey etl
[01:50] <KeeJay> I always forget about time zones *lol*
[01:50] <FM> Dammit...there was another suggestion that I was gonna bring up /facepalm/
[01:50] <~adminHere> lol...<remember....remember...remember...>
[01:50] <FM> That's frustrating to say the least...
[01:51] <FM> Ok, gonna put this out there...
[01:51] <FM> To the hatred of many
[01:51] <Ifrit> how about a new forums for those of us who don't like the ones we have?
[01:51] <FM> Have you ever considered that attacking troops should be vulnerable?
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[01:51] <FM> At current, the large accounts ingame will generally look like this:
[01:51] <FM> Assimilators 288,876,598 Super Assimilators 59,999,962 Attacking Mercenaries 107,999,841
[01:52] <~adminHere> ok - new forums... try herebeforums.com and make sub-forums for the game?
[01:52] <FM> I can move those attackers into spies quickly when online and attacking
01[01:52] <Tekki> new forums would depend on who are the admins
[01:52] <Ifrit> no a place were some of us can go to get away from the filth that is on the current forums
[01:53] <~adminHere> the death rate of using the mercs/regulars is the 'punishment' for haveing re-taskable units
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[01:53] <Haz> perhaps a suggestion on a remake of the rules Ifrit? certain rules may need a change?
01[01:53] <Tekki> no
01[01:54] <Tekki> more like the people need a change
[01:54] <FM> Yes, that's fair enough...but I just untrain them and put them into spies...
[01:54] <FM> on a large covert level online...
[01:54] <FM> They are more or less untouchable unless ETL comes knocking...
[01:54] <Haz> which people specifically tekki?
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[01:54] <SuperSaiyan> Admin is that one of those suggestions that will bring a bigger crowd to irc?
[01:54] <Ifrit> yea that would, be a start, but not enough. People need to have a term, like the ombs does.
01[01:54] <Tekki> yes that is a good suggestion Ifrit
[01:55] <EtL> the forums need strong leadership
[01:55] <~adminHere> super yes - making attackers killable would be one of those updates
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[01:55] <SuperSaiyan> oh, I was talking about the new forums thing lmao
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[01:55] <FM> Sounds good admin
[01:55] <Ifrit> I think that being able to kill attackers would be something worth debating....
[01:55] <EtL> oh yes
[01:55] <Mathlord> I need to remember to remember my password
[01:56] <EtL> a long term suggestion of mine
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[01:56] <~adminHere> i think its a bit extremem... to kill attackers...
01[01:56] <Tekki> lol change your name to Mathlord 1 or something
[01:56] <FM> Why?
01[01:56] <Tekki> that shoudl fix it for the moment Mathlord
[01:56] <FM> Why train them up?
[01:56] <Mathlord> I remembered it now
[01:56] <Mathlord> but I got it wrong a couple times..
[01:56] <FM> I have an unfair advantage
[01:56] <FM> As well as some of the other major players in here
[01:57] <~adminHere> howso? cause you have a high covert?
01[01:57] <Tekki> killing attackers would be nice but it should be difficult
[01:58] <FM> Only one person ingame can kill my 230m covert ops when I am online
[01:58] <FM> becuase when trained they are around 800-900t covert power
[01:58] <FM> I train my untrainable attackers when not offline...
[01:59] <FM> So I have 230m UU that is safe
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[01:59] <EtL> I suggested a moraratorium (sp) on covert levels
[01:59] <Ferra> hey rhett
[01:59] <EtL> make getting level 40 so expensive
[01:59] <EtL> that it would be almost impossible
[01:59] <FM> What's the point of that?
[01:59] <Ferra> isnt it already impossible
[02:00] <FM> That alone will not achieve anything
[02:00] <EtL> something like minimum 9-12 months from getting 39 before one is able to get 40
[02:00] <FM> More or less...
[02:00] <FM> but it will be achievable one day
[02:00] <EtL> FM it's not that impossible
01[02:00] <Tekki> Ferra, how naive are you?
[02:00] <EtL> I already know 2 ppl who are over halfway there
01[02:00] <Tekki> getting lv 40 is just a matter of co-ordinating people to bank
[02:00] <FM> 1 of those is nominating for AC39
[02:00] <FM> and the other isn't as close as you think
[02:01] <Ferra> hey no need to be rude
01[02:01] <Tekki> I'm not being rude
[02:01] <FM> However, yes, it is possible
[02:01] <Mathlord> if two people in an alliance can get 39, one can get 40
[02:01] <Mathlord> or
[02:01] <xDaku> I have a suggestion for sabbing, it just struck me so it's not fully thought out but it's worth taking a look at I think.

[Tekki]

[02:01] <FM> No, because you need 39 first
[02:01] <Mathlord> if someone can get 39/39, they can get 40
[02:01] <FM> So it's 3x the cost
[02:01] <xDaku> How about giving sabbing a delay the way nox does on attacks?
[02:01] <Ferra> yeah my allaince isnt that big
[02:01] <Ferra> so
[02:01] <FM> However
[02:01] <Ferra> coordinating a project that big is hard
[02:01] <commanderford> there are alliances that are >.>
[02:01] <FM> You are correct
[02:01] <Mathlord> I don't see why we need caps on things that are a perfectly natural part of the game?
[02:02] <FM> It needs to increase
[02:02] <Mathlord> there have always been people with uber covert levels
[02:02] <FM> Perpendicularly...
[02:02] <FM> Is that a word?
[02:02] <Ifrit> its not natural...
[02:02] <Ifrit> lol
[02:02] <Mathlord> making the top 10 uber people all have 39 won't have a dramatic difference than one with the all seeing 40
[02:02] <Ifrit> they are bought with cash, not ingame farming
[02:02] <~adminHere> xdaku - its an option. i 'd have to think on it too
[02:03] <Mathlord> Ifrit, people have been buying their way to the top in this game since day one
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[02:03] <Mathlord> it's just back then, you bought your way into a Spy 21
[02:03] <xDaku> It would give the current 36/37's a chance when being massed online. IT wouldn't be a complete massacre with multiple tabs sabbing.
[02:03] <Mathlord> not a spy 40
[02:03] <~adminHere> HM - i think its "ularily"
[02:03] <FM> Same argument, different day...
[02:03] <DeathIncarnator> Hi all
[02:03] <FM> That word then
[02:03] <FM> However, if you want to promote any sort of new play into the game...
[02:03] <Mathlord> there are ways to do it, you just have to learn them
01[02:03] <Tekki> oh is someone missing some spies?
[02:03] <FM> You need to have a one day achieveable goal
[02:04] <xDaku> Tekki this has nothing to do with that.
[02:04] <Ifrit> how about you nerf covert some. And making straight massing more achieveable.
[02:04] <~adminHere> I am against 'hard limits'
[02:04] <Mathlord> I'm missing some spies, they end up in my strike and they all die
[02:04] <~adminHere> and i would hope the level 40 cov is not running around sabbing all the noobs
[02:04] <EtL> covert is fine as is
[02:04] <~adminHere> ifrit -thats the way its moving
[02:04] <~adminHere> in general
[02:04] <~adminHere> over last number of updates
[02:04] <Mathlord> no, the level 40 covert would be running around sabbing all the level 38s and 39s, but that's apparently a problem for people
[02:04] <EtL> some ppl did suggest hard limits
[02:04] <FM> Oh I know my idea
[02:04] <EtL> and I knew u wouldn't go for them
[02:04] <~adminHere> just the 38/39's mathlord
[02:05] <EtL> so compromises
[02:05] <Mathlord> well
[02:05] <FM> How about spying to see how much longer is on PPT?
[02:05] <commanderford> hey 38's can be farmed
[02:05] <Mathlord> if I had 40
[02:05] <commanderford> >.>
[02:05] <Mathlord> *dreams*
[02:05] <Mathlord> it wouldn't just be
[02:05] <FM> or MS power?
[02:05] <Mathlord> but it certainly won't be used on noobs...at least any more harshly than a 38 or a 39 is
[02:05] <Haz> MS Power yeah, maybe a specific MS based spy type?
[02:05] <xDaku> Yes but mathlord, the problem is that 38 and 39 are harsh enough as it is.
[02:05] <Mathlord> there's not much difference in the ability of a 39 or a 40 to massacre a 36 or a 35 or less
[02:06] <Haz> but PPT...doubt that would be work
[02:06] <FM> I find 37's easy to kill...
[02:06] <Mathlord> that little 1.4 times fewer losses they have won't make much difference
[02:06] <FM> Why would PPT never work?
[02:06] <Ifrit> I wouldnt think of it as a hard cap, more a soft cap that slowly rises like raiding and plague
[02:06] <Mathlord> I just don't understand why all of a sudden, maybe because it's a big round number like 40, we're scared of it
[02:06] <FM> Would promote activity...
01[02:06] <Tekki> lol getting practiced are we FM?
[02:06] <FM> :O
[02:06] <FM> Ya, thanks to OE
[02:06] <Mathlord> I don't think I've ever fought a war where there haven't been at least some people against me with a covert level three above mine
[02:06] <Mathlord> it's part of life
[02:06] <Mathlord> you make do
[02:07] <FM> and their inability to build properly
[02:07] <Mathlord> if it means you don't leave out as much to be destroyed, so be it
[02:07] <xDaku> Or you could fix it, instead of "making do"
[02:07] <commanderford> ya but the game's dieing >.>
[02:07] <commanderford> slowly anyway
[02:07] <Mathlord> just don't listen to them when the spy level 40 **Filtered** to you about it being not fair you don't build a 10 tril defense every day for them
[02:07] <xDaku> If the gap between 37 and 39 for example was decreased in some way, you would see more people building stats during wars.
[02:07] <Mathlord> like some people here do snarl
[02:07] <DeathIncarnator> how about not listening to the have nots or the its too hards and giving me 40/40 fro free admin
[02:07] <Ferra> ford
01[02:07] <Tekki> hey how about we remove auto war and go back to the usual phasing
[02:07] <Ferra> the games been dead for years...
01[02:08] <Tekki> that was much better than the practice of massing and running to PPT
[02:08] <Haz> perhaps PPT left could be a MT based thing? but as a spy thing, doubt it would work. as its supposed to act as a protector
[02:08] <xDaku> If a delay is added between sabs, it gives a small time frame to change around spy counts when being sabbed. Mess up the sabber a bit.
[02:08] <Haz> would a protector tell you how long they are protecting them for?
[02:08] <Mathlord> oh god if they added nox to sabotage I'd die
[02:09] <FM> Auto war?
[02:09] <xDaku> You'd still die having 8 pages of tabs open ready to sab you to 0.
01[02:09] <Tekki> um no xDaku
[02:09] <FM> Is the only reason I can kill some of these snipers
[02:09] <Mathlord> and it's happened to me plenty
01[02:09] <Tekki> that's kind of overkill. if you mess up a sab you lose half of your spies
[02:09] <Mathlord> I just know in online battles I've had in the past, it's sometimes the only way to get an advantage
[02:09] <~adminHere> lol: <Mathlord> I don't think I've ever fought a war where there haven't been at least some people against me with a covert level three above mine. it's part of life
01[02:09] <Tekki> if you mess up an attack you dont' lose that much
[02:10] <~adminHere> death, taxes, and war with others 3 covert levels above you...facts of life
[02:10] <Mathlord> you're playing around with someone, ac'ing eachother back and forth trying to knock down their covert, you see an opening and you have to use it quickly
[02:10] <xDaku> Which means Tekki that it adds a chance to the majority of players.
01[02:10] <Tekki> no it means that the players want to have more stats than their covert allows for
[02:10] <xDaku> Mathlord if a 39 trains up 150m spies, can you ac him online?
01[02:10] <Tekki> yes!
[02:10] <Mathlord> it's true lol, I had 31 during most of the server war, Tekki had 35 , I had 33 in my war with Omega...and people had 37...this year I had 36 adn was facing 39s
[02:10] <FM> Yes
[02:10] <FM> Easily
[02:10] <Haz> FM do you like that PPT idea?
[02:11] <Mathlord> only fitting that as I get 37 someone gets 40 lol
[02:11] <DeathIncarnator> was worth a try admin ...can`t blame a guy for trying
[02:11] <xDaku> To ac a 150 mill 39 with 37, you'll need 150 mill in acers.
[02:11] <Mathlord> I can't Daku
[02:11] <Mathlord> but I couldn't ac Tekki's 35 during the server war either
[02:11] <Mathlord> at least not while she was online
01[02:11] <Tekki>
[02:11] <FM> [17:08:12] <Haz> perhaps PPT left could be a MT based thing? but as a spy thing, doubt it would work. as its supposed to act as a protector[17:08:22] <xDaku> If a delay is added between sabs, it gives a small time frame to change around spy counts when being sabbed. Mess up the sabber a bit.[17:08:27] <Haz> would a protector tell you how long they are protecting them for?
[02:11] <xDaku> Yes but sabbing wasn't as strong then was it?
01[02:11] <Tekki> hey I didn't have 35 for a long time though, I ascended
[02:11] <FM> Sounds interesting...
[02:11] <Mathlord> sorry for using you as an example Tekki for everything but gosh your 35 messed me up back then
01[02:12] <Tekki> sabbing is FINALLY having some power, why is everyone complaining
[02:12] <Haz> I think thats the best way it would work
[02:12] <FM> Some people are extremely good at working out when PPT is hit through incomes etc
01[02:12] <Tekki> during the server war sabbing was practically worthless
[02:12] <Mathlord> they already scaled sabbing back from where it was
[02:12] <xDaku> Tekki if that power means this gap between players, well then it's not worth it.
[02:12] <FM> It would be nice to know when a target is nearing PPT, or something similar
[02:12] <Mathlord> remember the 4/8 from the original update?
[02:12] <commanderford> FM
[02:12] <Mathlord> now it's 3/6
[02:12] <Mathlord> if you're quick, you still have time to retrain
01[02:12] <Tekki> yes I remember 4/8, it was nice
01[02:12] <Tekki> :d
[02:12] <commanderford> that would ruin the fun
[02:12] <Haz> 1 MT to find out when a users PPT will end? "bribing the protector"
[02:12] <Mathlord> you have to learn when to expect things
[02:12] <Mathlord> notice slightly longer pauses in attacks
[02:12] <~adminHere> DI - 40/40 done...but the slash is a divide by
[02:12] <FM> Expensive...but I like it...
01[02:12] <Tekki> I didn't think the Nox would be bribed
[02:12] <Mathlord> that usually comes when they are calculating spies they need to send in to sab you
[02:12] <commanderford> wheres the fun in knowing everything?
[02:13] <Mathlord> if they're smart they go right for it
[02:13] <Mathlord> have your intel logs open
[02:13] <xDaku> Yes, but I'd rather have a fun onliner than untrain knowing that there's no possible way to hit back.
[02:13] <Mathlord> keep them refreshed
[02:13] <Haz> how about you adminHere? would that be good?
[02:13] <Mathlord> it's the facts of life
[02:13] <DeathIncarnator> Yes you can calculate when someones PPT will end......now if you could tell when your own Alliance members would drop their PPTs that would be useful
[02:13] <Mathlord> you can't have a fun onliner with everyone
[02:13] <Mathlord> I can't
[02:13] <xDaku> This is a game, meant to be fun. Not to act out "as life"
[02:13] <Mathlord> haha
[02:13] <Mathlord> well
[02:13] <Mathlord> okay
[02:13] <Mathlord> in WoW, I wouldn't go challenge a level 99 whatever the heck race is in WoW
[02:14] <FM> This isn't WoW o.O
[02:14] <xDaku> This isn't WoW
[02:14] <Mathlord> or if I had a battleship in that old space game I played
[02:14] <FM> and that meant as much as pokemon to me >.>
[02:14] <Mathlord> I wouldn't go challenging someone that owned a fleet
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[02:14] <commanderford> yea
[02:14] <FM> You doing drugs Greg? o.O
[02:14] <DeathIncarnator> Thanks admin could have been worse could have amounted to 0 lol
[02:14] <commanderford> you wouldn't challenge a venasaur with your level 2 pikachu
[02:14] <Mathlord> okay, well in pokemon, I wouldn't send a charmander against a charizard...is that right? who the hell knows
[02:14] <commanderford> >.>
[02:14] <xDaku> If a delay is added to sabbing, it's still as strong. It still destroys the same weapons with elsser trained spies. But it means you don't get tabbed and sabbed in just one page refresh.
[02:14] <commanderford> math glare
01[02:14] <Tekki> I would - to see the pikachu go SPLAT!
[02:15] <FM> My Bulbasaur kills Pikachu >.>
[02:15] <~adminHere> ppt is hidden for now..no plans to change it
[02:15] <FM> That's why we're suggesting it Admin
[02:15] <commanderford> squirttle is better
[02:15] <Haz> lol
[02:15] <FM> With all these PPTs, alliance PPTs and maket PPTs...you've made it extremely difficult to mass someone
[02:16] <Haz> it would be good to see alliance PPT durations for 1IC 2IC and 3IC
[02:16] <Ifrit> so you are going to reduce the numbe of alliance repairs?
[02:16] <~adminHere> FM alliance repair, at least, is going to go down
[02:16] <~adminHere> make massing easier
[02:16] <Ifrit> or are you still thinking about that...
[02:16] <FM> Good idea
[02:17] <commanderford> yaya
[02:17] <commanderford> yay i mean
[02:17] <~adminHere> irfit - its just 'doing it' and 'how much ' now
[02:17] <Mathlord> oh well
[02:17] <Mathlord> oh on a side note, is there any chance of making bank increases cheaper again?
[02:17] <Ifrit> Id say somewhere between 5 and 10 is a good start...
[02:17] <FM> You are wise Admin
[02:17] <commanderford> :O
[02:17] <Ifrit> 5 and 10 a day that is
01[02:17] <Tekki> I would agree with that Mathlord - the bank increase is useful for small allainces
[02:17] <DeathIncarnator> wooooh admin....some of u shave been saving up Alliance bank, did you mean Alliance repairs will be cheaper ?
[02:17] <FM> Whatabout MS intel?
[02:17] <Mathlord> cause as it stands, it's not worth using that button
[02:18] <Mathlord> that's actually a problem with dealing with newer people trying to get big spy levels
[02:18] <~adminHere> math - maybe
[02:18] <FM> Ifrit, i'd say that is too much
[02:18] <FM> but little steps
[02:18] <Mathlord> it's a lot easier to save up naq when you don't have to have 10 people hold your stuff with full banks
[02:18] <Ifrit> yea alliance PPT, and bank increase is to high a cost
[02:18] <~adminHere> lol..full banks. hardship!
[02:18] <~adminHere> ok gonna call it a meet
[02:18] <~adminHere> 20mins over
[02:18] <FM> Why can't we just have infinite banks?
[02:19] <~adminHere> Fm - not today
[02:19] <Mathlord> big difference between a 40 tril full bank and a 400 tril full bank
01[02:19] <Tekki> be well admin
[02:19] <Mathlord> but yeah hardhsip lol
[02:19] <Mathlord> have a good one man
[02:19] <FM> Take care
[02:19] <~adminHere> ok thanks all
01[02:19] <Tekki> have a good day
[02:19] <Ifrit> laters
[02:19] <~adminHere> for a small group, some good feedback
[02:19] <FM> you too tekki >.<
[02:19] <commanderford> <3
[02:19] <DeathIncarnator> have fun all and a good weekend
[02:19] <xDaku> Have a good day.
[02:19] <Ferra> reset the game you wont
[02:20] <Ferra> no balls
[02:20] <DeathIncarnator> tekki catch me on skype plse
[02:20] <FM> I love lamp
01[02:20] <Tekki> that requires me to appear online
[02:22] <commanderford> btw pikachu is cool fyi
[02:22] <Ifrit> dont do it tekki
[02:22] <Ifrit> >.>
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[02:24] <Haz> Tekki, could you please post this meeting to the irc section? I disconnected and missed part of the meeting >.<
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[Tekki]

03[08:34] * adminGone is now known as adminHere
[08:34] <~adminHere> heya
[08:34] <Phoenix> hi
[08:34] <andy> Hi Dr. admin!
[08:35] <~adminHere> I'm not a real Dr. - i just play one on TV
[08:35] <ShoeGum> Admin ...
[08:35] <ShoeGum> Hope you had your coffee ^_^
[08:35] <andy> :'(
[08:35] <~adminHere> ohhhh I HATE gum on my shoe.
[08:35] <ShoeGum> I'm sticky as can be :>
[08:35] <andy> Admin, so when you took my appendix out you where not taught how to do it?
01[08:35] <Tekki> it's friday afternoon for Admin he probably needs a lot more coffee
[08:35] <~adminHere> always
[08:35] <KC_Guest46128> moin
[08:35] <~adminHere> i think i got sick: "Catchable fatal error"
[08:36] <~adminHere> something must be going around
[08:36] <ShoeGum> ;P
[08:36] <Ifrit> hey jason
[08:36] <ShoeGum> hey, just a quick suggestion, at the end of the meet, cann you propose a 'theme' for admin meet next week, where certain topics get adressed
[08:36] <Phoenix> this ^^
[08:36] <ShoeGum> so peole on the forum can thuroughly go rhough it
[08:37] <Ifrit> any thoughts on creating a new forum for those of us who don't want to deal with the filth in our current ones?
[08:37] <ShoeGum> and add decently well thought out comments
01[08:37] <Tekki> only works if the forum is visited by all and it isn't since a lot people left due to the previously mentioned management
[08:37] <Black> new forum ftw
01[08:37] <Tekki> yep new forum
[08:37] <ShoeGum> what .. please take forum matters to the forum :<
[08:37] <davinci> what about the new front page?
[08:37] <davinci> the guy made one looked good..
[08:37] <KC_Guest46128> Tekki knock it off
[08:37] <Phoenix> i agree with that
[08:38] <ShoeGum> yeah photon
[08:38] <ShoeGum> he left the game
[08:38] <Phoenix> it looked realll good
[08:38] <davinci> yeah that is jt
[08:38] <KC_Guest46128> you were the worst
[08:38] <davinci> LOL
01[08:38] <Tekki> yep it's JT
[08:38] <Aiz> that guy was a noob :/
[08:38] <KC_Guest46128> all ya had to do was ask
01[08:38] <Tekki> oh I tried taking forum matters to the forum, getting ignored there
[08:38] <ShoeGum> he did make great graphics
[08:38] <ShoeGum> lol, then you shouldnt come bugging here
[08:38] <Aiz> lol
[08:38] <~adminHere> shoegum -theme is good
[08:38] <Ifrit> Brian is still around (Brian is photon)
[08:38] <KC_Guest46128> well you should be ignored you have your own interests not the peoples interest
[08:38] <~adminHere> although flexibility/freedom to brin gup stuff is good too
[08:38] <davinci> yeah it's becuase they only do stuff to benefit themselfs
[08:39] <Black> sorry I thought this was "Chat with Admin" not "Chat with admin as long as Nostra agrees with the topic"
[08:39] <ShoeGum> At the end of the meet, suggest 1 thing people can focuss on for the coming week
[08:39] <~adminHere> ifrit - talk to amelia about forum
[08:39] <~adminHere> if stuff is 'wrong' she is there to address that
[08:39] <davinci> admin when you changeing the front page graphics?
[08:39] <Ifrit> yea I guess I should hit her up again
[08:39] <~adminHere> davinci - maybe soonish
[08:39] <Ifrit> she hasnt replied to me as of yesterday
01[08:39] <Tekki> me for even longer
[08:39] <davinci> kk nice
[08:39] <~adminHere> ifrit - i bugged her ot get own meet time too
[08:40] <~adminHere> for supermods/admins/oms
[08:40] <Ifrit>
[08:40] <Ifrit> good
[08:40] <Ifrit> still dont know why Tekki hasnt got her job back, some BS that was.... >.>
[08:40] <davinci> i blame it on noobert
[08:40] <KC_Guest46128> who cares lol
[08:40] <Phoenix> @ Admin i gave a couple suggestions regarding keeping new players in the game.. reduced it to 2 lines. wondered on your opinion on if theyre worth developing further, as it's your game afterall.
[08:40] <Phoenix> New players start with 5million lifers & 100k Untrained.First 10 ascensions only need 200GnR AND no ascension time-limit for first 10.
[08:41] <Phoenix> They did generally go down very well in the forum..
[08:41] <davinci> he wont cut ascensions
[08:41] <Phoenix> it doesnt say cut does it
[08:41] <~adminHere> lol - thats next week black: "<Black> sorry I thought this was "Chat with Admin" not "Chat with admin as long as Nostra agrees with the topic""
[08:41] <davinci> 200gnr is cut
[08:41] <Ifrit> yea Phoenix that is a good idea, has been presented several times, though in different ways for awhile
[08:41] <Phoenix> Its reduce time between, da vinci
[08:41] <davinci> i think it's a great idea
[08:41] <Phoenix> not take ascensions out
[08:42] <Phoenix> and only for first 10... the ones that take 3k up, etc
[08:42] <~adminHere> phoenix - PM me the 2 lines here
[08:42] <~adminHere> or were those htem up there?
[08:42] <ShoeGum> Admin, did the new user registration statistics were a direct result form gatewars pages being registered to web game index sites ?
[08:42] <Phoenix> Yeah. they went together sorry
[08:42] <Phoenix> cant PM as im not registered.
[08:42] <Phoenix> New players start with 5million lifers & 100k Untrained.
[08:42] <Phoenix> First 10 ascensions only need 200GnR AND no ascension time-limit for first 10.
[08:43] <KC_Guest46128> cut ascension, it take stoo long and if your not going to balance the powers then its a waste
[08:43] <Ifrit> I think the only concern with that Phoenix was the never ending PPT that would come from ascending straight through to 10th ascension...
[08:43] <~adminHere> phoenix - i like teh 5mil and 100k ut (although some abuse possible in raid/multi etc)
[08:43] <~adminHere> the asc not so sure on
[08:44] <Ifrit> no worries on the multi part admin
[08:44] <Ifrit> its 5m lifers
[08:44] <Ifrit> not UU
[08:44] <~adminHere> <ShoeGum> Admin, did the new user registration statistics were a direct result form gatewars pages being registered to web game index sites ? : can you explain? let me run a quick 'where did they register from' query.. when were the sites added?
[08:44] <Phoenix> only generates 30bil a day..
06[08:44] * ShoeGum mentions Gatewars isnt on the mmropg wikipedia for web games
[08:44] <Phoenix> no more than any farm was considered
[08:44] <~adminHere> ah . i can do that actually
[08:44] <~adminHere> can you add it shoegum ? and/or shoort me a url
01[08:44] <Tekki> um is anyone else finding the server speed to be relatively slow - most of the time?
[08:45] <KC_Guest46128> yes
[08:45] <davinci> yeah
[08:45] <Ifrit> yes, for the most part. *blames ranked ME*
[08:45] <davinci> 3:10
[08:45] <ShoeGum> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ma ... ying_games
01[08:45] <Tekki> Admin could you pretty please look into that?
[08:45] <davinci> that does my head in
01[08:45] <Tekki> not just as that time Davinci but at others
[08:45] <Phoenix> The idea behind the ascensions bit.. to keep new players building so they dont lose interest get them involved and have something theyve worked on before they start the hard work. it makes it no easier just much faster.
[08:45] <davinci> yeah it does lag aot
[08:45] <Black> *blames the people that keep leaving 300tril naq out and the whole server trying to hit them on every turn lol
[08:46] <davinci> lol made a fortune god bless lukas
[08:46] <davinci> ^^
[08:46] <Phoenix> Thread is here for reference - viewtopic.php?f=13&t=184252 - did think it through a lot before suggesting.
[08:46] <Black> and the one a few days before
[08:47] <davinci> admin you didn't change alliance repair.
[08:47] <davinci> make it 5 per week ^^
[08:47] <Ifrit> yes please make it 5 per day
[08:47] <Ifrit> lol 5 per week
[08:47] <Ifrit> rofl
[08:47] <Ifrit> that works for me
[08:47] <davinci> lol or just delete it
[08:48] <Aiz> deletion is a great idea
[08:48] <ShoeGum> things like that are nice to be thought out more
[08:48] <KC_Guest46128> yea remove that and the loss ration on def/att
[08:48] <ShoeGum> instead of ad hoc descision making
[08:48] <davinci> make it so only the same covert lvls can sab each over
[08:48] <davinci> ^^
[08:48] <ShoeGum> 'theme' it
[08:48] <andy> Admin, you could prevvent lag by putting every piece of naq left out at the end of turns into my bank.
[08:49] <KC_Guest46128> do it, so I can mass Thamuz tomorrow
[08:49] <davinci> yeah but you get of be hit once
[08:49] <davinci> and be back onto ppt
[08:49] <davinci> ^^
[08:49] <Ifrit> thanks admin
[08:49] <KC_Guest46128> dont think so son
[08:49] <Ifrit> The alliance repair (att and def) have gone to 1/10th their weekly count. Now 20 / week each. This is enough to make a difference in a pinch, but not to count on as an ongoing strategy. As a gift should be
[08:49] <KC_Guest46128> Im not that kind of player
01[08:49] <Tekki> well it would be nice if the bank increase cost was reduced too
[08:50] <davinci> tyvm
[08:50] <davinci> yeah.
[08:50] <ShoeGum> BTW Admin, is there a bug in PPT ?
[08:50] <ShoeGum> there have been two topics
[08:50] <Ifrit> costs for alliance PPT and Bank upgrades? are you considering changing those?
[08:50] <ShoeGum> and I know of several occasions where people dropped ppt when they had a day left or so .. happened to me too
[08:50] <davinci> yeah happened to that guy in doc
[08:51] <davinci> lost a tasty duel becuase of it
[08:51] <ShoeGum> more people had that
[08:51] <ShoeGum> I know of 4 now
[08:51] <KC_Guest46128> davinci lets keep the war talk in the war thread please
[08:51] <davinci> <KC_Guest46128> do it, so I can mass Thamuz tomorrow
[08:51] <KC_Guest46128> well me2
[08:51] <davinci> sorry u was saying?
[08:52] <davinci>
[08:52] <~adminHere> ok sorry PM back
[08:52] <KC_Guest46128> :$
[08:53] <davinci> admin can you make global messages to every account?
[08:53] <davinci> like telling them to use out forums ect.. or updates
[08:53] <davinci> our*
[08:53] <ShoeGum> that would massively increase the database, he should only message to actives
01[08:54] <Tekki> um usually there is a link in the top of the command centre
01[08:54] <Tekki> that would be nice
06[08:54] * ShoeGum nods
06[08:55] * andy agrees
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01[08:55] <Tekki> hey Gandy
[08:55] <Ifrit> hey Gandy
[08:56] <Gandy> hey
[08:56] <davinci> yeah but, not many people click there just want some new faces
[08:56] <Gandy> how u all
[08:56] <~adminHere> DEFENSIVE weapons repaired by the Alliance Repair Network, at a cost of 34,481,354,642 from the alliance bank.
[08:56] <~adminHere> You have used 1/20 per week repairs.
[08:56] <~adminHere> Remember that each repair is the equivalent of a half turns phasing removal..
[08:56] <~adminHere> and i will look at server speed, yhes
[08:57] <SuperSaiyan> Admin, one thing I was thinking a while back. Would it be possible for you to make maybe a reminder that pops up every tuesday about the admin meets. Like you put on the command center when you make bigger changes or when the game crashes. Just a simple notice reminding people about the meets? It might help increase turnout.
[08:57] <davinci> yea everyone should have a say in what happens
[08:57] <SuperSaiyan> like a simple "hey don't forget to come on by the IRC player/admin meet today 8:30/3:30 gametime" sort of thing
[08:58] <SuperSaiyan> not something that is there all the time, but just pops up tuesdays
[08:58] <Ifrit> *likes*
[08:58] <Ifrit> should say 15:30 though
[08:58] <Ifrit> so people dont get confused >.>
[08:58] <SuperSaiyan> yeah
01[08:58] <Tekki> 0330 would be nice
[08:59] <davinci> or 11:30
[08:59] <SuperSaiyan> I've seen notices like that on other games work well, and since you've got the notification part already coded it should be easy to do I would think
[09:02] <davinci> well i think graphics should be done acap =]
[09:02] <davinci> asap*
[09:02] <Phoenix> Did photon design graphics for just front page or for everything?
[09:03] <davinci> sidebar and front page
[09:03] <davinci> i think
[09:03] <SuperSaiyan> there have been many offers of graphics for the game
[09:03] <davinci> ascended needs 1 aswell
[09:03] <SuperSaiyan> so there is probably a variety to choose from
[09:03] <ShoeGum> not enough to make it usable as a theme Phoenix
[09:03] <KC_Guest46128> the best page on ascended is the ajna one
[09:04] <Phoenix> Id imagine there is
[09:04] <ShoeGum> From what I understood from admin he made 'themable' options .. he just need people to deliver good material in a way he can use it. Too bad Phontonic left
[09:04] <SuperSaiyan> someone said he's still around
[09:05] <Aiz> some people just cant handle being bested in a text based game
[09:05] <SuperSaiyan> and there are plenty of other graphics people around still if he isn't
[09:05] <KC_Guest46128> he is gone
[09:05] <SuperSaiyan> that I'm sure would donate
[09:05] <davinci> yeah but atm there terrible ;/
[09:06] <davinci> doesn't make the game stand out
[09:06] <~adminHere> shoegum - if there is a ppt issue, pls give me times, ID and 'scenario' (ie alliance gift ppt, etc) -- i do not think a bug but i will check it out. ppt i have A LOT of 'debug' on
[09:06] <KC_Guest46128> BTW, 5 for 5 on 3 hit descensions
[09:07] <Black> then stop descending news lol
[09:07] <Black> newbs
[09:07] <KC_Guest46128> why?
[09:07] <KC_Guest46128> why?
[09:07] <KC_Guest46128> why?
[09:07] <~adminHere> super - i can do the 'announce/remind' yes
[09:07] <KC_Guest46128> dam triple post lol
[09:07] <Ifrit> no rene let him descend them makes him waste turns
[09:07] <Black> you cant keep descending small people, then moaning small people descend too easy......it looks....welll.....
[09:08] <ShoeGum> it shows flawed mechanics ?
[09:08] <SuperSaiyan> I think it could be worth trying admin, its not like you have anything to lose by doing it once or twice to see if it increases turnout
[09:08] <~adminHere> graphics are easier said that done
[09:08] <~adminHere> and i am not sure i saw the left nav graphics. just frontpage (the planet)
[09:08] <Black> it shows bullying tactics....so next tme you're "thinking about the game as a whole" it doesn't come off looking too good
[09:09] <SuperSaiyan> you should make a contest thread for main graphics
[09:09] <SuperSaiyan> like gary did with origins
[09:09] <ShoeGum> Admin, the menu graphics were not done fully, he made an example one though, it was in that same thread
[09:09] <SuperSaiyan> even if it has no prize
[09:09] <SuperSaiyan> I think you will get a good deal of response
[09:09] <Phoenix> @ Admin not sure what to expect at all but what is your opinion on people spending a few $k in-game. enough so that it changes the entire tactics of other players? Not saying its good/bad jw what you think about it? Would you react to it?
[09:10] <KC_Guest46128> I dont care how it looks, eventually there will be a big outcry just as there was when I was massing everyone
[09:10] <~adminHere> lol -everything causes an outcry
[09:10] <Ifrit> the graphics thing is easily handled if you make a "image tourney", im sure you would get some good hits maybe offer a free USS or a few free USS's
[09:10] <~adminHere> and for $ i try to ensure it is limited
[09:10] <~adminHere> so it does not 'imbalance'
[09:10] <Phoenix> ok cool
[09:10] <~adminHere> ifrit - idid that before. it was 'ok' not 'great'
[09:10] <davinci> jt still mad about ascended?
[09:11] <~adminHere> ok - gonna call it a meet though... sorry that felt rushed
[09:11] <Ifrit> 300k ATs in one go is not limited admin LOL
[09:11] <~adminHere> although check the game updates page
[09:11] <Ifrit> we discussed this before
01[09:11] <Tekki> Have a nice day
[09:11] <ShoeGum> admin, make sure to read last pms about wiki thing
[09:11] <~adminHere> hm - AT is the issue?
[09:11] <~adminHere> ok yes will do shoe
[09:11] <davinci> yeah not enough of them..
[09:11] <Ifrit> what is the limit to money donated to you in a week admin?
[09:11] <Ifrit> from the Black Market
[09:11] <~adminHere> ok - will catch up on the PMs before i close up
[09:11] <~adminHere> ifrit -its per player per month on bm i think
[09:11] <Black> no....over boosting covert levels will become an issue if it gets much higher
[09:12] <~adminHere> ok - PM
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[09:12] <~adminHere> thank you all for comments. some good ones.
[09:12] <Phoenix> ty admin have a gd day/night
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