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I think it is utterly retarded that this game is 10+ years old, and admin still hasn't fixed the logout bug.

I got logged out no less then 20 times during my online fight today for this tournament . For the love of god, fix the damn thing
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Re: Log out

its made on purpose
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Re: Log out

has only been implemented in the last year, wasnt there for the first 9.
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moments of epic proportions:
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[5:26:57 AM ] josh: 30% of 100 is 33.3333333333333
[5:27:11 AM] Jake/Tees: LOL
[5:27:23 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to pretend you didnt say that
[5:27:29 AM] Jake/Tees: actually no
[5:27:33 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to sig it
[5:27:49 AM] Jake/Tees: now think cafefully
[5:27:49 AM] josh: w8
[5:27:53 AM] josh: i meant 100
[5:28:04 AM] josh: sorted
[5:28:07 AM] josh: **Filtered** u :D
[5:28:09 AM] Jake/Tees: if 30% of 100
[5:28:11 AM] Jake/Tees: is 33.3333333
[5:28:13 AM] Jake/Tees: then tell me
[5:28:17 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33%?
[5:28:19 AM] josh: yeah i knew what i ment in my head :D
[5:28:30 AM] Jake/Tees: did you?
[5:28:34 AM] josh: w8
[5:28:37 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33% josh???
[5:28:43 AM] josh: now thats 33,3333
[5:28:46 AM] Jake/Tees: :D
[5:28:48 AM] Jake/Tees: idiot
[5:28:48 AM] josh: ok
[5:28:50 AM] josh: i give in
[5:29:01 AM] josh: **Filtered**


[9:42:59 PM] robert: look my race :P
[9:43:09 PM] robert: zombie will not come here
[9:43:51 PM] josh: ah no brains
[9:44:04 PM] josh: bit harsh on yourself rob


[11:56:17 PM] Duderanch: KOS [ TÅTS - KOS it IS]
[12:03:49 AM] Duderanch: Someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel
[12:03:59 AM] Duderanch: just cant decide if it's kos or taf


[4:13:09 AM] Cersei Lannister - (Juliette): It's sad to see how many people here (in NL) are starting to use Arabic words for **Filtered**.
[4:13:54 AM] HiMyNameIs Martin: So then getting stoned in the NL may take on another meaning (worry)
~Tziki~ wrote:my ass is busy :'(
You are as peaceful as a nox kitten. Disgraceful.
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reborn wrote: You think u can see scripting from spying. Is the demi u have this?

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Re: Log out

D3ath wrote:its made on purpose
Well if that's the case, that's crap. I shouldn't be logged out 20 times in 5 minutes.
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Re: Log out

its to stop the check for change refresher add-on
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moments of epic proportions:
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[5:26:57 AM ] josh: 30% of 100 is 33.3333333333333
[5:27:11 AM] Jake/Tees: LOL
[5:27:23 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to pretend you didnt say that
[5:27:29 AM] Jake/Tees: actually no
[5:27:33 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to sig it
[5:27:49 AM] Jake/Tees: now think cafefully
[5:27:49 AM] josh: w8
[5:27:53 AM] josh: i meant 100
[5:28:04 AM] josh: sorted
[5:28:07 AM] josh: **Filtered** u :D
[5:28:09 AM] Jake/Tees: if 30% of 100
[5:28:11 AM] Jake/Tees: is 33.3333333
[5:28:13 AM] Jake/Tees: then tell me
[5:28:17 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33%?
[5:28:19 AM] josh: yeah i knew what i ment in my head :D
[5:28:30 AM] Jake/Tees: did you?
[5:28:34 AM] josh: w8
[5:28:37 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33% josh???
[5:28:43 AM] josh: now thats 33,3333
[5:28:46 AM] Jake/Tees: :D
[5:28:48 AM] Jake/Tees: idiot
[5:28:48 AM] josh: ok
[5:28:50 AM] josh: i give in
[5:29:01 AM] josh: **Filtered**


[9:42:59 PM] robert: look my race :P
[9:43:09 PM] robert: zombie will not come here
[9:43:51 PM] josh: ah no brains
[9:44:04 PM] josh: bit harsh on yourself rob


[11:56:17 PM] Duderanch: KOS [ TÅTS - KOS it IS]
[12:03:49 AM] Duderanch: Someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel
[12:03:59 AM] Duderanch: just cant decide if it's kos or taf


[4:13:09 AM] Cersei Lannister - (Juliette): It's sad to see how many people here (in NL) are starting to use Arabic words for **Filtered**.
[4:13:54 AM] HiMyNameIs Martin: So then getting stoned in the NL may take on another meaning (worry)
~Tziki~ wrote:my ass is busy :'(
You are as peaceful as a nox kitten. Disgraceful.
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reborn wrote: You think u can see scripting from spying. Is the demi u have this?

Dr Mariaelena Punicelle (Tier 4)

Skill level: Out of this world

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Increased able to detect scripts --4.41%
Decreased intelligence if you think the top ability works --99.98%
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Re: Log out

If you use two different browsers you will be kicked out of another, this will apply if you have more than one browser session as well.

You will see the below error thrown in the login page:
Wrong Session ID. Please log in again. Remember, you can only log in with one browser/system at a time.
Actually, what error is shown when you get forced to log out?
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Really?
I think this is sig worthy in fact.
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Re: Log out

has nothing to do with that mate, i get the same thing all the time when fight.. says you have refreshed too many times even tho refresh hasnt taken place.

i understand that it was put in place for c4c but this is the wrong way to go about it. php cant determine whether a page was refreshed or it was a legitimate page change so if you move quickly while fighting it logs you out.

for instance, if i have tabs open and i hit someone then quick change tabs to repair att and def then go back to attack it logs me out.. too many actions and your security attempts see this as refreshes!!

what should be done to stop c4c is constant change on every refresh.

things like c4c look for a change in the page and alert you.. so if the game is in a state of constant change it will alert every refresh thus making c4c useless.

its simple really.. generate a random amount of extra blank nodes withing the tables holding the rows of rank and the rows of incoming attacks and intel.. this only needs implementing on 3 pages.. not the whole game

attack log
intel logs
ranking pages

also c4c will not be the only problem.. so to combat other techniques just add random numbers into the GET for each link to show constant change and encrypt them so ids cant be seent and they are mixed in with random data.. job done

tons of people dont play ascended for this reason.. the fact that i cant hit the descend button quickly to ensure i can break out of be descended is terrible.. too quick and logs out.. and then you have been hit again which means all i can do is fill up and wait to for the descender to get bored.. this is a massive advantage for the descender.

fix it please
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Re: Log out

descender can get logged out as well if clicking too fast or too much to hit u :) and yeah i kinda agree that the purpose and how it was done wasnt the best way to do it but maybe it was easiest to do like that back then who knows
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Re: Log out

Happens when im going through my farm list too as they have said it just logs you out saying you have refreshed too many times.
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Re: Log out

Were as this update was to stop C4C, it hasnt,

Now from doing a little testing if your using mozllia u can not hit refresh on same target more than 10 times in about 20 seconds before u get logged out.

Not sure about chrome.

Now for the broswer i use and everyone calls me dumb for still using it is IE, u can spam refresh as much as u want you will not get logged out.

So to cover it Sol needs to change its were this fix was to stop refreshign addons by doing as TRUX said "if that works"

Or imo just swap to IE and play like me :D
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Ignore valid points from everyone else and believe your own verbal diarrhea, the pair of you.
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<<< **Filtered** MY LIFEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Re: Log out

T R U X wrote:has nothing to do with that mate, i get the same thing all the time when fight.. says you have refreshed too many times even tho refresh hasnt taken place.

i understand that it was put in place for c4c but this is the wrong way to go about it. php cant determine whether a page was refreshed or it was a legitimate page change so if you move quickly while fighting it logs you out.

for instance, if i have tabs open and i hit someone then quick change tabs to repair att and def then go back to attack it logs me out.. too many actions and your security attempts see this as refreshes!!

what should be done to stop c4c is constant change on every refresh.

things like c4c look for a change in the page and alert you.. so if the game is in a state of constant change it will alert every refresh thus making c4c useless.

its simple really.. generate a random amount of extra blank nodes withing the tables holding the rows of rank and the rows of incoming attacks and intel.. this only needs implementing on 3 pages.. not the whole game

attack log
intel logs
ranking pages

also c4c will not be the only problem.. so to combat other techniques just add random numbers into the GET for each link to show constant change and encrypt them so ids cant be seent and they are mixed in with random data.. job done

tons of people dont play ascended for this reason.. the fact that i cant hit the descend button quickly to ensure i can break out of be descended is terrible.. too quick and logs out.. and then you have been hit again which means all i can do is fill up and wait to for the descender to get bored.. this is a massive advantage for the descender.

fix it please
++1 to basically every idea in this comment. I get logged out all the time on ascended, even on my cell. Come to of it I got a warning on the login page to main a while back saying "automated login attempt detected: event logged" or something similar. The only reason I could think that I would have gotten was from my mobile browser loading up a previous captcha and I just forgot to enter the new one.

That really cant be it though because I've done that DOZENS of times LOL. Only got the warning once.
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Re: Log out

yeah but c4c can be set to target change in a specific line on the page, so set it say to only ding if their dmu changes and will still work, even with your random generated blah blah...
besides, you proved yourself already trux that if people wanna cheat, a few little dynamic tricks arent going to stop them.

also as josh said, it works peachy on IE, or just drop the refresh rate right back and will work fine on mozilla too because everyone else has to slow down what they're doing to compensate.
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moments of epic proportions:
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[5:26:57 AM ] josh: 30% of 100 is 33.3333333333333
[5:27:11 AM] Jake/Tees: LOL
[5:27:23 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to pretend you didnt say that
[5:27:29 AM] Jake/Tees: actually no
[5:27:33 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to sig it
[5:27:49 AM] Jake/Tees: now think cafefully
[5:27:49 AM] josh: w8
[5:27:53 AM] josh: i meant 100
[5:28:04 AM] josh: sorted
[5:28:07 AM] josh: **Filtered** u :D
[5:28:09 AM] Jake/Tees: if 30% of 100
[5:28:11 AM] Jake/Tees: is 33.3333333
[5:28:13 AM] Jake/Tees: then tell me
[5:28:17 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33%?
[5:28:19 AM] josh: yeah i knew what i ment in my head :D
[5:28:30 AM] Jake/Tees: did you?
[5:28:34 AM] josh: w8
[5:28:37 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33% josh???
[5:28:43 AM] josh: now thats 33,3333
[5:28:46 AM] Jake/Tees: :D
[5:28:48 AM] Jake/Tees: idiot
[5:28:48 AM] josh: ok
[5:28:50 AM] josh: i give in
[5:29:01 AM] josh: **Filtered**


[9:42:59 PM] robert: look my race :P
[9:43:09 PM] robert: zombie will not come here
[9:43:51 PM] josh: ah no brains
[9:44:04 PM] josh: bit harsh on yourself rob


[11:56:17 PM] Duderanch: KOS [ TÅTS - KOS it IS]
[12:03:49 AM] Duderanch: Someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel
[12:03:59 AM] Duderanch: just cant decide if it's kos or taf


[4:13:09 AM] Cersei Lannister - (Juliette): It's sad to see how many people here (in NL) are starting to use Arabic words for **Filtered**.
[4:13:54 AM] HiMyNameIs Martin: So then getting stoned in the NL may take on another meaning (worry)
~Tziki~ wrote:my ass is busy :'(
You are as peaceful as a nox kitten. Disgraceful.
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reborn wrote: You think u can see scripting from spying. Is the demi u have this?

Dr Mariaelena Punicelle (Tier 4)

Skill level: Out of this world

Ability:
Increased able to detect scripts --4.41%
Decreased intelligence if you think the top ability works --99.98%
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Re: Log out

Vormulac wrote:Happens when im going through my farm list too as they have said it just logs you out saying you have refreshed too many times.
farm faster :P
i turn on utorrent or stream something in the background when i farm asc so my net lags, means i got time to scroll through each page and hit on teh ones i want with the quick attack button and then click the 'next page' button, farm each page without letting the page refresh, means you can hit say 10 or so targets in 10 seconds with 1 page load and not get logged out.
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moments of epic proportions:
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[5:26:57 AM ] josh: 30% of 100 is 33.3333333333333
[5:27:11 AM] Jake/Tees: LOL
[5:27:23 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to pretend you didnt say that
[5:27:29 AM] Jake/Tees: actually no
[5:27:33 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to sig it
[5:27:49 AM] Jake/Tees: now think cafefully
[5:27:49 AM] josh: w8
[5:27:53 AM] josh: i meant 100
[5:28:04 AM] josh: sorted
[5:28:07 AM] josh: **Filtered** u :D
[5:28:09 AM] Jake/Tees: if 30% of 100
[5:28:11 AM] Jake/Tees: is 33.3333333
[5:28:13 AM] Jake/Tees: then tell me
[5:28:17 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33%?
[5:28:19 AM] josh: yeah i knew what i ment in my head :D
[5:28:30 AM] Jake/Tees: did you?
[5:28:34 AM] josh: w8
[5:28:37 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33% josh???
[5:28:43 AM] josh: now thats 33,3333
[5:28:46 AM] Jake/Tees: :D
[5:28:48 AM] Jake/Tees: idiot
[5:28:48 AM] josh: ok
[5:28:50 AM] josh: i give in
[5:29:01 AM] josh: **Filtered**


[9:42:59 PM] robert: look my race :P
[9:43:09 PM] robert: zombie will not come here
[9:43:51 PM] josh: ah no brains
[9:44:04 PM] josh: bit harsh on yourself rob


[11:56:17 PM] Duderanch: KOS [ TÅTS - KOS it IS]
[12:03:49 AM] Duderanch: Someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel
[12:03:59 AM] Duderanch: just cant decide if it's kos or taf


[4:13:09 AM] Cersei Lannister - (Juliette): It's sad to see how many people here (in NL) are starting to use Arabic words for **Filtered**.
[4:13:54 AM] HiMyNameIs Martin: So then getting stoned in the NL may take on another meaning (worry)
~Tziki~ wrote:my ass is busy :'(
You are as peaceful as a nox kitten. Disgraceful.
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reborn wrote: You think u can see scripting from spying. Is the demi u have this?

Dr Mariaelena Punicelle (Tier 4)

Skill level: Out of this world

Ability:
Increased able to detect scripts --4.41%
Decreased intelligence if you think the top ability works --99.98%
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Re: Log out

teesdale wrote:yeah but c4c can be set to target change in a specific line on the page, so set it say to only ding if their dmu changes and will still work, even with your random generated blah blah...
Beat me to it!
Yes, the problem with C4C and the like is that you can easily target a certain aspect of the page. Most of the pages have dynamic numbers that are not even to hinder these types of problems. It was one of the first things I could think of and the first solution I shot down.
teesdale wrote: besides, you proved yourself already trux that if people wanna cheat, a few little dynamic tricks arent going to stop them.
Indeed. Cheating is inherent in ANY game, even the massive MMORPG's like WoW and good ol runescape.
You can slow it down, make it harder, make it fairer for others to play, but it will still occur. It's best to attack it from all sides, including banning when it occurs (detection is itself hard enough, and being no where near client side doesn't help).
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Sol wrote:It's not going to destroy your life :P
Really?
I think this is sig worthy in fact.
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Re: Log out

i guess people just have a lazy/creativity problem lol

i could easily fix this!

c4c counts the nodes so it knows what to attach to.. if there are more or less nodes each refresh it loses its way unless they have a class or an id...

the answer to fixing it is in the last sentence!!
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