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banned by bias!

Post by harshfello » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:27 pm

Wrongfully banned agruing with julie ges nowhere.

How can i get banned for attacking a account thats supposibly a multi
When a. Your not allowed to hit your own ip or trade with
And b. How the hell can u ban someone for that when the ips were different this is the 2nd time in as many months ive been auto banned and its really pissing me off and its honestly getting old.

1. Ur not able to attack or trade with any acct from your ip
2.one acct for person i only had one
3. Stop banning me every **Filtered** month its getting rather old juliette





On 12/30/2013, at 2:16 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> The fact that you succeed in hiding an account from me is *not* my responsibility.
You logged in to 'Samantha'-something and attacked it for 584T. That is multiing, and a violation of my earlier warning.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:17 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> How the **Filtered** multiing? When its no my account

On 12/30/2013, at 2:18 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> It clearly is your account, I can see enough. :)
And as I warned you last time, this is the final straw.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:20 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> You cant attack/trade someone from your ip? Therfore it couldnt be mine...

On 12/30/2013, at 2:20 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Seriously i play via a cellphone lol

On 12/30/2013, at 2:28 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Wow. Some admin

On 12/30/2013, at 2:28 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Cant even respond to a player?

On 12/30/2013, at 2:32 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> If you are going to be aggressive, dearie, I am not going to continue this conversation.

You and I have discussed your multiple accounts before. I warned you then that breaking the rules again would lead to your exclusion. You decided to break the rules, and this is the logical consequence. :) How exactly does that make me a bad admin?
Maybe I shouldn't have let you continue after breaking the rules the first time. :) By betraying my trust, you make me look like a fool, and in the long run only hurt yourself.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:32 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> If you are going to be aggressive, dearie, I am not going to continue this conversation.

You and I have discussed your multiple accounts before. I warned you then that breaking the rules again would lead to your exclusion. You decided to break the rules, and this is the logical consequence. :) How exactly does that make me a bad admin?
Maybe I shouldn't have let you continue after breaking the rules the first time. :) By betraying my trust, you make me look like a fool, and in the long run only hurt yourself.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:33 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Ur not even listening

On 12/30/2013, at 2:34 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Your being 1sided perfect and not answering my question/

On 12/30/2013, at 2:34 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> On 12/30/2013, at 2:20 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> You cant attack/trade someone from your ip?

On 12/30/2013, at 2:35 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> If this is true to the gamr. That right there proves that i am no multi.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:38 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> Biased? Yes, if I see someone is cheating, I ban them. That is a very strong bias. :)
Dearie, you have 4 IPs that you use a LOT. Samantha and all your other accounts are connected to those IPs.
You can attack someone on another IP, and you have collected quite a few IP exceptions on those accounts. Samantha was no different. You can attack anyone if you or they have an IP exception.

You focus on IPs and your cellphone (which uses wifi, which relies on the local access points, which has a constant IP - only changes if you use 3G and/or are continuously on the move.. so that argument is moot), but I have seen enough to ban you.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:39 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> See. Right there

On 12/30/2013, at 2:39 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> Additionally, you seriously need to keep your hostility in check, sir.
IF we are going to discuss this (which we already did last time, my patience is not infinite) you will do so reasonably and without yelling.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:39 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> I do not like being played.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:40 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> I requestd ip exceptions... i have not requested ip exceptions except to trade with ryy

On 12/30/2013, at 2:40 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> You promised me you would remain clean after I gave you your second chance, and the logs now tell me that you are not keeping your word. :) What other options do I have but to ban you? Would you want me to allow cheaters to play? :?

On 12/30/2013, at 2:41 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Ryu* and as far as 4 main ips. Cab u list them please

On 12/30/2013, at 2:41 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Bc a. I know im not lieing. And b. I havent cheated.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:42 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> We have had this conversation before. You betrayed my trust and broke the rules again. I ask again, what else can I do but ban you?

On 12/30/2013, at 2:44 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> No your assumeing i broke rules

On 12/30/2013, at 2:44 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Yet refuse to answer my questions

On 12/30/2013, at 2:45 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Has this 10.30.105.168 ever loggd into My supposed multi?

On 12/30/2013, at 2:47 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> And. Why was i able to attack someone if they logged into my ip?

On 12/30/2013, at 2:47 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> I investigated your accounts. I went back and checked all interactions they had in 2013.
I see that Samantha is connected to your accounts, AND I see that you make a 584T hit on Samantha. Did you think we wouldn't keep an eye on hits that are out of the ordinary? :)

On 12/30/2013, at 2:47 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> Why do you keep talking about IP? You have used 490 IPs in 2013.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:47 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> 4 of which with a more regular occurrence.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:47 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> IPs are not relevant to this case. You are attempting to waste my time.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:48 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> You think you can regain the trust of this administration by saying "I didn't do it", when everything points towards you doing it? :)

On 12/30/2013, at 2:49 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> No

On 12/30/2013, at 2:49 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Ur being **Filtered** biased and its pissig me off

On 12/30/2013, at 2:49 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> I know i havent broken any rules

On 12/30/2013, at 2:50 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> And the fact u cang answer my questions

On 12/30/2013, at 2:51 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> Language, mister.
The logs say you did. We discussed this not too long ago, that you would not break the rules again. Now the logs show me you did break the rules, and here you are, yelling at me, swearing and accusing me of all manner of nonsense. :)
You understand that none of this helps your case. You will remain banned.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:54 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> I didnt multi m otherwise i wouldnt of been able to attack. A account from my ip is this not what the game says

On 12/30/2013, at 2:54 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> U are unable to attack/trade with a player from your ip.

On 12/30/2013, at 2:54 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> ^ thats a simple yes or no question

On 12/30/2013, at 2:57 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> Are you mistaken about what a multi is, then? That would explain your obsession with IPs. :?
A multi is not just an account that is used from your IP. A multi is an account owned by you, used to your benefit. Samantha is exactly such an account, owned and previously operated by you (and no one else since).

If you think that IP is the only criterium for spotting multis, I understand why you are caught breaking the rules so often. :)

On 12/30/2013, at 2:59 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Lol. Once again... one sided

On 12/30/2013, at 2:59 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> There *is* only one side. The logs are absolute. :)

On 12/30/2013, at 2:59 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Samantha is not my account i never logged into it

On 12/30/2013, at 3:00 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> And u cant provide me with proof saying otherwise?

On 12/30/2013, at 3:01 PM, (Juliette - GateWars) Cersei Lannister wrote:
> http://gatewars.com/tos.php ;) Here you go.
Now, since you continue to be hostile and aggressive, I am satisfied I have said all I have to say. I bid you a good day, and a good new year.

On 12/30/2013, at 3:01 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Not being hostile

On 12/30/2013, at 3:02 PM, Harsh(fello) DDE wrote:
> Makig my agruement u dont wanna listen to bc u made up your perfect mind !

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Re: banned by bias!

Post by Guild » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:42 pm

banning people for multying nowadays seems a tad bit stupid :smt081
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Re: banned by bias!

Post by dastupy » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:46 pm

Mind giving more info because the situation seems rather hard to read;

The lead point is: How did Samantha had all that naq out?
I read that you used to have the samantha account and that since then no one owned it after that.
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Re: banned by bias!

Post by Duderanch » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:51 pm

Can only guess the 'roll back' thing from a few months back?
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Re: banned by bias!

Post by dastupy » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:52 pm

Duderanch wrote:Can only guess the 'roll back' thing from a few months back?
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Re: banned by bias!

Post by harshfello » Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:57 pm

Have not had a smantha acct
Have had
Ryus (sold to him)
Fallen angels(sold to him)
Pascals (bought sold to ryu)
Redneckyell (currently bannd-acct in question)

And all the rest were supposed to be deleted by julie last time i got bannd
My agrument is
How the *filtered* can i attack someone if they were in my ip
When the ip is not able to allow attacks or trades??

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Re: banned by bias!

Post by Support » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:00 pm

We do not discuss bans in public, as outlined in this thread.


In general however, I will say these things:
  • A multi account is not just an account being used from the same IP. Proxy availability and dynamic IPs make that a moot point. Most multi accounts that have been banned in the past 3 months are not matched by IP, but by behaviour; while IP is a factor, it is far from the only criterion. Raise too many flags, and you are banned pending investigation. Do so too often, and you are banned 'permanently'.
  • A multi account is an account owned and operated by a person actively operating another account, either to the direct benefit of that person or indirectly through selling resources.
  • Despite relatively lax treatment of multis, scripters and other cheating in the past, the rules are still in effect. As the 76 banned accounts stand testament the rules are enforced and accounts and logs are routinely monitored for outliers and other irregularities. (A 584T hit raises flags.)
'being able to attack an account' means nothing. Repeating that argument, combined with swearing and general hostility is not a suitable conversation.

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Re: banned by bias!

Post by Z E R O » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:15 pm

I find your focus on the IP side of the issue very strange.

Everyone knows it's easy as hell to change or mask your IP in order to get around the attacking rule. I don't know if i understand correctly, but it seems as though you have been banned for multi behavior in the past. Relating to the Samantha account. (Correct me if i'm wrong here, the convo was kinda confusing at points) That's another BIG red flag. Perhaps you shouldn't be so insistent on Support defending their decision to ban you, but rather try to find a means of proving your innocence. If you are. If you aren't. Nut up and take your ban. We don't need you here.

arguing the IP side of things is a waste of breath[finger energy?], and really doesn't make you look any more innocent.
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Re: banned by bias!

Post by harshfello » Mon Dec 30, 2013 1:25 pm

Z E R O wrote:I find your focus on the IP side of the issue very strange.

Everyone knows it's easy as hell to change or mask your IP in order to get around the attacking rule. I don't know if i understand correctly, but it seems as though you have been banned for multi behavior in the past. Relating to the Samantha account. (Correct me if i'm wrong here, the convo was kinda confusing at points) That's another BIG red flag. Perhaps you shouldn't be so insistent on Support defending their decision to ban you, but rather try to find a means of proving your innocence. If you are. If you aren't. Nut up and take your ban. We don't need you here.

arguing the IP side of things is a waste of breath[finger energy?], and really doesn't make you look any more innocent.

Thats just it i am innocent all it is is just admin appoint personnel throwing unjust bans
And as ip WTH is their a ip exception then?
Honestly its just a joke but then admin dont care about anything but money he got my money and now banning just like he dont delete the thousands of inactives. Bc it would lose him money. Games a joke and theb they wonder why ppl leave

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Re: banned by bias!

Post by joemate » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:13 pm

You can run more than one account via Proxy which in turn renders same accounting ban script null.

Just because you do not have the same IP Address does not mean you are not multi accounting.

You need to forget about the obsession with IPs as having the same IP does also not mean you are multi accounting.
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Re: banned by bias!

Post by Sol » Mon Dec 30, 2013 3:15 pm

harshfello wrote: Honestly its just a joke but then admin dont care about anything but money he got my money and now banning just like he dont delete the thousands of inactives. Bc it would lose him money. Games a joke and theb they wonder why ppl leave
lol. It was not Jason who banned you.
If he wanted money he wouldn't have banned you though.
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Re: banned by bias!

Post by KOS » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:29 pm

harsh does not need to cheat IMO, look at his logs... 580T is peanuts lol
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Re: banned by bias!

Post by KOS » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:43 pm

yeah just checked, you tell me if these are the logs of a cheater... there are 104 pages like this one... hes a farming and raiding animal! not sure if this helps harsh but i dont think you are a cheater :)


Dec 29, 00:51 Devildocjames 73,339,241,880 Naquadah stolen 15 0 3 25,307 11
Dec 29, 00:51 Mcshell 76,091,987,262 Naquadah stolen 15 0 1 26,798 6
Dec 29, 00:51 Zsolt 130,749,615,200 Naquadah stolen 15 0 2 33,190 11
Dec 29, 00:50 Jimmy Hendricks 84,622,881,012 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 35,999 6
Dec 29, 00:50 Mass~Destroyer 84,306,972,720 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 34,161 5
Dec 29, 00:50 Sempai 87,725,067,520 Naquadah stolen 15 0 2 38,270 12
Dec 29, 00:49 Vez 64,915,945,034 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 35,249 6
Dec 29, 00:49 Hatakus 80,086,581,540 Naquadah stolen 15 0 2 42,640 12
Dec 29, 00:49 Aushi 70,646,152,420 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 50,592 6
Dec 29, 00:48 wally1983 77,054,952,640 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 53,122 6
Dec 29, 00:48 Teesdale 170,878,831,200 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 60,869 5
Dec 29, 00:48 Ancient God Anubis 82,770,686,337 Naquadah stolen 15 1,828 0 67,983 6
Dec 29, 00:48 Maltease14 162,975,883,840 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 66,487 6
Dec 29, 00:47 zurim 160,193,122,068 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 70,703 5
Dec 29, 00:47 Bushido 121,265,356,152 Naquadah stolen 15 1,559 0 77,621 6
Dec 29, 00:47 Bialzibob 118,748,440,764 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 80,816 6
Dec 29, 00:47 Soju 367,649,719,074 Naquadah stolen 15 35,240 0 80,760 11
Dec 29, 00:46 maccamo 84,925,017,700 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 94,280 6
Dec 29, 00:46 TheBigElf 80,111,541,258 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 94,304 12
Dec 29, 00:46 Lord Byron 99,973,984,980 Naquadah stolen 15 4,412 0 98,098 11
Dec 29, 00:46 SHODAN 92,236,554,816 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 99,828 6
Dec 29, 00:45 Serkan 86,505,794,394 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 108,826 11
Dec 29, 00:45 I am Sure 62,466,025,376 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 107,891 11
Dec 29, 00:45 tow gunner 149,883,445,544 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 123,097 11
Dec 29, 00:44 phreqd 125,283,497,952 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 119,906 6
Dec 29, 00:44 ~Massey~ 144,003,859,580 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 120,873 12
Dec 29, 00:44 marc3k 182,652,798,315 Naquadah stolen 15 0 0 128,166 5
Dec 29, 00:43 Intel 101,542,559,532 Naquadah stolen 15 0 72 664 5
Dec 29, 00:43 StarSky_ 111,164,009,154 Naquadah stolen 15 0 7 5,721 6
Dec 29, 00:43 yougotpwned 77,400,234,390 Naquadah stolen 15 110 8 10,577 11
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Re: banned by bias!

Post by Sol » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:49 pm

If I'm not mistaken this is about multi'ing and not scripting/macro's. Posting logs won't really help...
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Re: banned by bias!

Post by KOS » Mon Dec 30, 2013 5:59 pm

just got home and seen my officer was banned... as i have never seen anything wierd on my end, naturally i defend him! you will know more than I, about it...
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