Concerning multi/script using accounts

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Concerning multi/script using accounts

To any mods reading this: please leave this topic in SGW General and not move it to For Admin, as it is meant to inform the other players reading this forum. The admins have already been informed of this issue.


The short story

As some of you know, there have been (and still are) accounts in Main using scripts to farm. I've watched over a dozen such accounts for several weeks/months, and then reported them to the game admins. I've sent several e-mails on two occasions. I got no reply, but 2 of the accounts were ostracized some time after the first e-mail.

On the second occasion (a week ago) I made an updated list of all the suspicious accounts and e-mailed it again; I sent another e-mail in the weekend, adding another ID to the list. Still no reply as of yet, but I found yet another ID.

So - until such time than an admin looks into this issue and, should there be sufficient proof, decides to ban the accounts that are breaking the rules - I decided to also share this information with the community and ask for your help to, as much as possible, make it harder for the cheater(s) to continue their illegal (and quite profitable) activities.


The IDs

Accounts still active:
  • 1981031 (Form Fist)
  • 1986574 (Sinc)
  • 1987884 (elittmann)
  • 1987891 (biter)
  • 1987892 (badabum)
  • 1987893 (anabolist)
  • 1987898 (atomic bomberman)
  • 1987900 (monstrosity)
  • 1987947 (bnovaki)
  • 1989254 (mightymoe)
  • 1989307 (the big kahuna)
  • 1989371 (avkos)
  • 1989386 (Praetorian)
  • 1989489 (bulldozer)
  • 1990572 (aberg)
  • 1990574 (sweiss)

Accounts reported and ostracized:
  • 1989640 (Ikenga)
  • 1989700 (lughClt)

The proof
  • The most important proof is that I've watched these accounts for a long time, and I've seen them doing the same things, the same way, many times: they farm periodically, for several turns, even hours at a time, without taking any breaks; they hit low-ranked accounts indiscriminately, even if their targets are defended, and have attacked the same targets unsuccessfully more than once; they hit for low amounts, repair their attack weapons after only a few hits, then bank the naq; they keep doing this until they run low on attack turns and, even if attacked repeatedly, don't stop farming, don't try to hit back or communicate in any way (the things human players usually do when the naq they're farming is stolen).
    This, unsurprisingly, is exactly what another group of banned accounts used to do a year ago: viewtopic.php?f=159&t=189177
  • The IDs of the suspicious accounts (see above) are in 2 narrow ranges, the first of which also overlaps with the range of IDs of the banned Slovenian multis mentioned above. 3 of the IDs are even consecutive.
  • They usually have 0 defense or, in some cases, a very small defense; the defenses started appearing after I attacked a few of them in the beginning, so I assume the player(s) who created the accounts still log in at least occasionally.
  • All of them are accounts with no alliance, and no commander or having themselves as commanders.
  • All the accounts are currently unascended, or at most Priors.
  • They all have decent covert skills (level 32 or 33 without exception), presumably to benefit from the bank size; they also have lower anticovert skills (but above level 20), and small to average unit production, well above a new account's starting unit production.
  • A few of them even have/had planets with similar and identical names.


Of course, only a game admin can decide if there is enough proof for these accounts (and others that may be connected to them) to be banned, but I've watched them for long enough (since September or so) to be convinced that there is no way they are simple, rule-abiding noobs with the same playing style. I've limited my interaction with them until an admin could look into the matter, but from now on I plan to make their cheating as difficult and unprofitable as possible. I will keep a record of the naq and UU I get from attacking them and, in case they are found guilty, send them to ID 1 if requested to do so. I suggest everyone else do the same or, otherwise, avoid attacking/raiding these accounts altogether.


I'm sure I'll have more to add to this later on (and I'm also hoping for some reactions) - but for now, I guess this much is official: I'm back to hunting stupid multis, like in the good old times.
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Re: Concerning multi/script using accounts

Good.. interesting. ;)
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Re: Concerning multi/script using accounts

I've been naq hit and/or massed by DDE, TL, TAF, Ricos, CS, HvE, OE you name it and I'm a new player mind you. Out of probably 100 occasions I only felt the need to send out maybe 2 in game mails.

Maybe try hitting them a hundred more times and they will reply? :)
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Re: Concerning multi/script using accounts

Hopefully they will be caught if they happen to use scripts to farm and dry farm lists with programs...
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Re: Concerning multi/script using accounts

Sniperwax wrote:I've been naq hit and/or massed by DDE, TL, TAF, Ricos, CS, HvE, OE you name it and I'm a new player mind you. Out of probably 100 occasions I only felt the need to send out maybe 2 in game mails.

Maybe try hitting them a hundred more times and they will reply? :)

Oh, I will hit them a lot, no doubt about that. But they'd have to come up with a bloody good story to convince me I was wrong about them, at this point.
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Re: Concerning multi/script using accounts

Preem Palver wrote:
Sniperwax wrote:I've been naq hit and/or massed by DDE, TL, TAF, Ricos, CS, HvE, OE you name it and I'm a new player mind you. Out of probably 100 occasions I only felt the need to send out maybe 2 in game mails.

Maybe try hitting them a hundred more times and they will reply? :)

Oh, I will hit them a lot, no doubt about that. But they'd have to come up with a bloody good story to convince me I was wrong about them, at this point.


There could be some very logical reasons to their behavior but those IDs being so close to each other certainly raises an eyebrow.

There has got to be an easier way for the community to help observe potential cheaters. Maybe make the top 1k ME list visible with tick by tick updates. It wouldn't take long to get in the top 1k farming naq.

Also, a bonus! We can finally retire monster crotch's Who has Rank 29 ME? thread lol
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Sniperwax wrote:
Preem Palver wrote:
Sniperwax wrote:I've been naq hit and/or massed by DDE, TL, TAF, Ricos, CS, HvE, OE you name it and I'm a new player mind you. Out of probably 100 occasions I only felt the need to send out maybe 2 in game mails.

Maybe try hitting them a hundred more times and they will reply? :)

Oh, I will hit them a lot, no doubt about that. But they'd have to come up with a bloody good story to convince me I was wrong about them, at this point.


There could be some very logical reasons to their behavior but those IDs being so close to each other certainly raises an eyebrow.

There has got to be an easier way for the community to help observe potential cheaters. Maybe make the top 1k ME list visible with tick by tick updates. It wouldn't take long to get in the top 1k farming naq.

Also, a bonus! We can finally retire monster crotch's Who has Rank 29 ME? thread lol
Ah-ha. Hi-fabu-larious idea. ;) (But really, that seems like something useful.)
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Re: Concerning multi/script using accounts

I really want those rankings :(
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Re: Concerning multi/script using accounts

Nice catch!
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Re: Concerning multi/script using accounts

I caught Sinc doing his rounds just now, and took 5.8 tril. off him in 30 minutes:
[spoiler]09:38 Sinc 63,315,901,595 Naquadah stolen 15 309 0 362,705 3 details
09:38 Sinc 50,593,193,477 Naquadah stolen 15 313 0 374,378 3 details
09:38 Sinc 67,577,328,805 Naquadah stolen 15 317 0 753,651 3 details
09:37 Sinc 104,312,946,926 Naquadah stolen 15 321 0 732,929 3 details
09:36 Sinc 64,041,458,880 Naquadah stolen 15 325 0 362,271 3 details
09:35 Sinc 88,164,635,623 Naquadah stolen 15 280 0 829,790 3 details
09:35 Sinc 55,956,365,728 Naquadah stolen 15 333 0 691,491 3 details
09:34 Sinc 55,565,655,145 Naquadah stolen 15 337 0 350,915 3 details
09:34 Sinc 50,667,307,740 Naquadah stolen 15 341 0 717,423 3 details
09:33 Sinc 82,336,307,381 Naquadah stolen 15 346 0 653,549 3 details
09:32 Sinc 81,803,927,814 Naquadah stolen 15 350 0 362,842 3 details
09:32 Sinc 119,058,022,148 Naquadah stolen 15 354 0 337,378 3 details
09:32 Sinc 146,605,903,137 Naquadah stolen 15 304 0 757,464 3 details
09:32 Sinc 127,514,899,802 Naquadah stolen 15 363 0 390,045 3 details
09:31 Sinc 91,407,913,935 Naquadah stolen 15 367 0 721,151 3 details
09:31 Sinc 97,200,026,244 Naquadah stolen 15 372 0 378,372 3 details
09:31 Sinc 167,424,217,183 Naquadah stolen 15 377 0 780,979 3 details
09:30 Sinc 53,007,165,885 Naquadah stolen 15 381 0 338,038 3 details
09:29 Sinc 112,199,679,103 Naquadah stolen 15 327 0 304,943 3 details
09:28 Sinc 44,409,071,805 Naquadah stolen 15 332 0 336,881 3 details
09:27 Sinc 40,756,731,100 Naquadah stolen 15 395 0 324,718 3 details
09:27 Sinc 151,815,151,687 Naquadah stolen 15 400 0 344,729 3 details
09:26 Sinc 61,397,112,545 Naquadah stolen 15 405 0 370,597 3 details
09:25 Sinc 68,144,944,719 Naquadah stolen 15 410 0 335,450 3 details
09:25 Sinc 69,429,219,492 Naquadah stolen 15 415 0 361,677 3 details
09:25 Sinc 201,701,627,831 Naquadah stolen 15 420 0 353,659 3 details
09:24 Sinc 97,535,724,298 Naquadah stolen 15 425 0 358,626 3 details
09:24 Sinc 109,812,234,758 Naquadah stolen 15 366 0 780,215 3 details
09:24 Sinc 88,603,249,875 Naquadah stolen 15 435 0 361,318 3 details
09:24 Sinc 0 Naquadah stolen 15 441 0 386,422 3 details
09:24 Sinc 45,316,179,581 Naquadah stolen 15 447 0 328,306 3 details
09:23 Sinc 174,455,664,919 Naquadah stolen 15 452 0 601,241 3 details
09:23 Sinc 60,223,791,829 Naquadah stolen 15 458 0 325,273 3 details
09:23 Sinc 100,775,132,514 Naquadah stolen 15 464 0 686,126 3 details
09:23 Sinc 51,635,174,604 Naquadah stolen 15 470 0 694,600 3 details
09:22 Sinc 64,690,046,754 Naquadah stolen 15 404 0 654,624 3 details
09:22 Sinc 142,895,722,624 Naquadah stolen 15 481 0 322,230 3 details
09:22 Sinc 47,832,784,309 Naquadah stolen 15 487 0 361,795 3 details
09:21 Sinc 73,738,905,855 Naquadah stolen 15 493 0 335,577 3 details
09:20 Sinc 74,398,027,408 Naquadah stolen 15 499 0 363,277 3 details
09:20 Sinc 161,988,043,522 Naquadah stolen 15 505 0 358,626 3 details
09:19 Sinc 40,880,810,895 Naquadah stolen 15 434 0 373,393 3 details
09:19 Sinc 96,148,392,866 Naquadah stolen 15 517 0 778,840 3 details
09:19 Sinc 150,320,648,759 Naquadah stolen 15 524 0 414,895 3 details
09:19 Sinc 53,313,960,176 Naquadah stolen 15 531 0 342,149 3 details
09:18 Sinc 135,512,431,338 Naquadah stolen 15 537 0 357,918 3 details
09:18 Sinc 69,041,216,972 Naquadah stolen 15 544 0 672,212 3 details
09:18 Sinc 95,088,164,417 Naquadah stolen 15 551 0 369,515 3 details
09:17 Sinc 121,414,473,188 Naquadah stolen 15 558 0 689,033 3 details
09:17 Sinc 47,221,677,036 Naquadah stolen 15 565 0 374,982 3 details
09:17 Sinc 104,489,963,517 Naquadah stolen 15 572 0 741,850 3 details
09:17 Sinc 77,207,622,443 Naquadah stolen 15 491 0 392,641 3 details
09:16 Sinc 46,494,045,706 Naquadah stolen 15 586 0 393,255 3 details
09:15 Sinc 46,086,323,451 Naquadah stolen 15 593 0 409,493 3 details
09:15 Sinc 65,054,571,698 Naquadah stolen 15 601 0 414,895 3 details
09:15 Sinc 59,240,853,355 Naquadah stolen 15 516 0 740,302 3 details
09:14 Sinc 152,835,386,047 Naquadah stolen 15 615 0 350,830 3 details
09:12 Sinc 68,468,408,648 Naquadah stolen 15 622 0 399,345 3 details
09:11 Sinc 43,059,600,586 Naquadah stolen 15 630 0 797,250 3 details
09:11 Sinc 172,236,526,242 Naquadah stolen 15 638 0 648,274 3 details
09:10 Sinc 53,985,202,393 Naquadah stolen 15 548 0 685,644 3 details
09:10 Sinc 144,739,010,185 Naquadah stolen 15 653 0 343,161 3 details
09:09 Sinc 84,240,520,037 Naquadah stolen 15 662 0 370,151 3 details
09:08 Sinc 48,931,374,351 Naquadah stolen 15 670 0 790,216 3 details
09:08 Sinc 70,108,774,882 Naquadah stolen 15 678 0 379,378 3 details
09:08 Sinc 137,169,162,829 Naquadah stolen 15 687 0 402,692 3 details[/spoiler]
Considering that he may have been doing it for a few minutes before I noticed, that I had to bank and repair a few times and that many of his hits were 20 bil.-ish, the amount he farmed until I stopped must have been significantly larger. Oh, and he was using his personals.


Edit: further, very interesting developments:
Sinc(1986574) has set their relation with you to: Peace

Minutes later, avkos was hard at work - no way that is a coincidence. I wasted a few attacks on his holograms, but still managed to get more than a trillion off.
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Re: Concerning multi/script using accounts

I am a little uncomfortable with the idea of farming scripters. :? Who is to say that these are not your scripted accounts, which you are now benefiting from? :-k

(Obviously not saying it is, but you see the way this could work..)
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Juliette wrote:I am a little uncomfortable with the idea of farming scripters. :? Who is to say that these are not your scripted accounts, which you are now benefiting from? :-k

(Obviously not saying it is, but you see the way this could work..)


I do. Like I said (to avoid such accusations), I'm keeping track of everything I took from them since I posted this topic, and will happily send it all to admin's account.

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So far:
12,132,036 UU
7,148,226,060,291 naq

My logs should be readily available to admin to check the accuracy of my calculations - although, if anything is off, I blame OpenOffice.
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Re: Concerning multi/script using accounts

Ah yes, you did say that. :D Sorry, I must have skipped over that. :oops:
Well, good going. :-D Want me to write you a script to automatically farm those scripters whenever they start?
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Juliette wrote:Ah yes, you did say that. :D Sorry, I must have skipped over that. :oops:
Well, good going. :-D Want me to write you a script to automatically farm those scripters whenever they start?

There's some things I can do that I just don't trust bots to do that well, but thanks... I guess ;)
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Juliette wrote:Ah yes, you did say that. :D Sorry, I must have skipped over that. :oops:
Well, good going. :-D Want me to write you a script to automatically farm those scripters whenever they start?
There's some things I can do that I just don't trust bots to do that well, but thanks... I guess ;)
What? It would keep automatic records (so no more hassle with copy pasting), it would repair your strike weapons (would not want to run out of ammo in the gunfight), it would send all your farmed Naq to ID 4602 - err.. 1, and well.. that would be useful..

I kid, of course. But it is childishly simple to write scripts, and while I see the detrimental effect of scripters on the game experience of all but the most hard-core cash players, I think we should be looking at how to identify them, as opposed to reducing their profits (which can be a fun side course to take, but not the main dish). :) If you catch my drift. ;)
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