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Re: Descending changes

Post by jedi~tank » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:01 pm

xDaku wrote:For the record, I log in twice a day, both on main and ascended. Once from my cell during my break at work and then for a bit when I get home, then I sleep and go back to work. I play for about an hour a day, or two hours if I get lucky. I had even less time when I had my old account, and the ascended was bad when I first got it. Levels were around 500. I was descended within a week of joining FS with that account. I ignored my ascended still, got descended again. After the second descension, I brought my levels to 700+ in about a week or two I believe, and despite some attempts I wasn't descended.

It does NOT take too much effort to be safe in ascended. Ascended is NOT the reason we don't have new blood and people are leaving. People are leaving because of 1) The gap between cash spenders and f2p players, 2) Old school massing being practically non-existant now, and 3) Admin not willing to undo the updates.

The biggest problem is people realizing that they CANNOT compete with any of the "big players" unless they themselves start spending. You want new blood and people to stop leaving? Get all the big spenders together, try to get a pact to lower of not completely remove that, and you'll see an improvement in gameplay. That's not going to happen, so we might as well accept that this game, like all other games, will eventually die out and make the best with what we have.

No one's quit while I've been here because "I can be descended". They leave because of main. Fix the main server, then worry about the ascended.

This thread is about 1 aspect of the game so please dont play it off like its being singled out, because its not. All of it is tied together. AND you bought an account with a ready made ascended so your argument is kind of nullified as is mine if I were making a case for myself. But no matter, like Mezz says "LET IT ALL BURN", wait till you see our game :-D
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Re: Descending changes

Post by xDaku » Tue Jul 19, 2011 8:05 pm

I'm talking about my last account there JT. Read again. I agree, I got a ready made account now, and it works well. But even with my old account, with a week or two (I don't remember exactly how long it was...week and a half sound like a good compromise? :P) of farming on that server I became a little safer. Safe enough that I didn't have to worry too much atleast.

It's way more achievable than trying to compete in main atm. And the only reason I mentioned the other things was because saving the game was brought up in here ;) I believe, like you said, that it all ties together. Trying to debate about just one aspect won't solve the problem, or even help in any way.
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Re: Descending changes

Post by Lithium » Tue Jul 19, 2011 10:58 pm

GeneralChaos wrote:
Jedi~Tank wrote:Dude, having to have a schedule whereas you have to log in a minimum of 9 hours is RETARDED

Having to have a schedule whereas you have to log in and PLAY..HAVE TO PLAY IT in a specific time frame is RETARDED

Wether it be farming for building or refilling for to block desc. its RETARDED for people to have to schedule their life to accomodate a game. ITS STUPID People are quitting because its a burden. NO NEW BLOOD LITHIUM, NO NEW BLOOD


This is very true, there is no new blood because people dont always have the time, the ascended server is a complete pain, and only ever and will only ever benefit a few people that play the game.

Iƒrit wrote:you can log in before leaving home. Get home and check, or stop somewhere in between like a library, or internet cafe, maybe you have a friend that has a phone he would let you use for 30 seconds. Or perhaps if you can't setup your time to fit your needs, you can go dormant (vacation) and come off on the weekends or a time which you have to play, until you develop stats to protect yourself.


This just wow, what a load of crap right there, clearly either you dont work or go to school, or you work or go to school and have access to a computer at any time of day, I log into ascended in the morning before i leave for work ( 6am ) when in work, even though i have my phone i cannot get access to the net due to where the building is and lack of 3G access, by the time i get out of work and get home it can be as late as ( 4pm ) so there a nice 10 hour window, i dont have access to a computer, internet cafe, library,

So in saying all that, why should i be forced to go onto vac mode in ascended because of my job, where you can just sit there all day and play huh, does that not make it completely unfair on me?

Fact is, people enjoy main for the most part, they dont enjoy ascended ( unless that small group again ) if admin is hell bent on continually making it harder for people who cannot get access to a computer all day because of there job/school/family life, he might aswell pull the plug on the entire game now, because as it stands,if they DONT play ascended they are at a disadvantage against everyone who does.

Maybe it is just time to sell up and quit, before being forced out the door.



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Re: Descending changes

Post by Colos » Tue Jul 19, 2011 11:50 pm

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Colos wrote:I log in on ascended maybe in once a day, and farm like twice a month. And that has been the case for like 3-4 months. That said, my account is nowhere near a good one. Yet, no one can descend me in 9 hours. Maybe Robe could get me in 12 hours, but the rest of the server would have to keep hitting for almost a day straight.

AND I AM ALMOST TOTALLY INACTIVE!

So, to all of you, who know nuts about ascended but keep crying about newer and newer updates: quit whining and start farming!

Colos

Lets keep the whining comments out of posts in these threads please and post constructively, Thank you. The window is too tight for people that have school and jobs and most cannot access the net during their days and as already stated scheduling ones life around a game is retarded, It needs to be changed to accomidate the majority of the players not the select few that can do these things.

BTW 3 hit descension #4 last night.
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I do not see how my comment was off-topic. A bit harsh, yes, but that's the fact: if you suck on ascended, then Descention is your ultimate price.

Also, this entire thread is a pointless mess, so most of the posts could easily be deemed as off-topic.

And I looked hard for your constructive posts, yet I found nothing but whining and flaming.

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Re: Descending changes

Post by ~Coyle~ » Wed Jul 20, 2011 5:59 am

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Jedi~Tank wrote:
Colos wrote:I log in on ascended maybe in once a day, and farm like twice a month. And that has been the case for like 3-4 months. That said, my account is nowhere near a good one. Yet, no one can descend me in 9 hours. Maybe Robe could get me in 12 hours, but the rest of the server would have to keep hitting for almost a day straight.

AND I AM ALMOST TOTALLY INACTIVE!

So, to all of you, who know nuts about ascended but keep crying about newer and newer updates: quit whining and start farming!

Colos

Lets keep the whining comments out of posts in these threads please and post constructively, Thank you. The window is too tight for people that have school and jobs and most cannot access the net during their days and as already stated scheduling ones life around a game is retarded, It needs to be changed to accomidate the majority of the players not the select few that can do these things.

BTW 3 hit descension #4 last night.
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I do not see how my comment was off-topic. A bit harsh, yes, but that's the fact: if you suck on ascended, then Descention is your ultimate price.

Also, this entire thread is a pointless mess, so most of the posts could easily be deemed as off-topic.

And I looked hard for your constructive posts, yet I found nothing but whining and flaming.

Colos

ps.: I stated in the mod forum that I will not mod this thread, so you can't call the Bias Crusade on me.


Nothing wrong with the deascension process, Leave it as it is, Colos said all that need to be said
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Re: Descending changes

Post by Haz » Wed Jul 20, 2011 9:36 am

So the topic here is "I cant access the game during the day so change it so I can't be descended during that time"?

Really?!?!

I work, I'll be back at university soon, and I hang out with friends occasionally. I can't always access main or ascension. But if I get hit/descended in that time, oh well, too bad for me.

To paraphrase what Rocky mentioned, it's just like getting massed in main. If you aren't online when someone is massing you, you can't take countermeasures. Defence 0'd. It should be the same with ascended. If you aren't online/active, you get descended. At least with ascended, you get a 9 hour "warning".

I don't see why the time to descend someone should be changed. Work for your account and it'll make it harder to get descended. Build your levels up and login regularly, or pay the price for your inactiveness. Or if you really need to, go on vacation mode.
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Re: Descending changes

Post by Robe » Wed Jul 20, 2011 10:07 am

pc wrote:If people are active and get on say 2 times per day and farm some...down the road they will have a good account.
Thats the way I did it.(I think anyway I have a good account...not great tho)

**extending the descend time to 24 hrs ...big no from me it would kill it for me.
One person simply can not descend many players anyways.I have had many failed attempts
The 1 turn per turn did kill off ascended for a day.


Colos wrote:I log in on ascended maybe in once a day, and farm like twice a month. And that has been the case for like 3-4 months. That said, my account is nowhere near a good one. Yet, no one can descend me in 9 hours. Maybe Robe could get me in 12 hours, but the rest of the server would have to keep hitting for almost a day straight.

AND I AM ALMOST TOTALLY INACTIVE!

So, to all of you, who know nuts about ascended but keep crying about newer and newer updates: quit whining and start farming!

Colos


I agree with Pcarmy and Colos both of whom I have long respected as seasoned ascended players.

Furthermore, ascended is the ultimate catch up server unlike main.

If you are willing to put a small amount of effort into your account you can significantly reduce the risk of being descended.
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Re: Descending changes

Post by Angelis~ » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:12 pm

I didn't read past the first page so if I post something that was already covered, My apologies.

The current minimum hits required to descend someone is 4 hits. However, if the target you are descending has an inadequate Flow level in ratio to their Life Force then they can be descended in 3 hits. Meaning if their Life Force doesn't refill during the 3 hour break then their reserves wont see any recovery at all so the target can be descended in 3 hits due to maximum damage being caused.

Farm a little and people will be fine. You don't even have to do it once a day. A little farming done each week will get you out of the "4 hits and your descended" group.

I don't really come into the suggestions to much anymore. There's way to much drama.

The way I see it.. It's Admin Jason's game. If he likes a suggestion then he'll change it. If he doesn't then he wont. If the game dies well then it dies.

I doubt it matters to anyone but since the beginning of this month, July, over 100 people have ascended for the first time. Its the biggest boom of "first time ascenders" I've seen in awhile. And the numbers are continuing to rise. Currently at 10084. Personally I'd like to see people lend out a helping hand to those freshly ascended then bicker about past, current, and possible future updates.


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Re: Descending changes

Post by jedi~tank » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:37 pm

Angelis~ wrote:I didn't read past the first page so if I post something that was already covered, My apologies.

The current minimum hits required to descend someone is 4 hits. However, if the target you are descending has an inadequate Flow level in ratio to their Life Force then they can be descended in 3 hits. Meaning if their Life Force doesn't refill during the 3 hour break then their reserves wont see any recovery at all so the target can be descended in 3 hits due to maximum damage being caused.

Farm a little and people will be fine. You don't even have to do it once a day. A little farming done each week will get you out of the "4 hits and your descended" group.

I don't really come into the suggestions to much anymore. There's way to much drama.

The way I see it.. It's Admin Jason's game. If he likes a suggestion then he'll change it. If he doesn't then he wont. If the game dies well then it dies.

I doubt it matters to anyone but since the beginning of this month, July, over 100 people have ascended for the first time. Its the biggest boom of "first time ascenders" I've seen in awhile. And the numbers are continuing to rise. Currently at 10084. Personally I'd like to see people lend out a helping hand to those freshly ascended then bicker about past, current, and possible future updates.


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Re: Descending changes

Post by Z E R O » Wed Jul 20, 2011 3:46 pm

Not to question your Data angelis.. but where did you get it? :P

If it is true though, that is indeed wonderful to hear. :) I've noticed a few new members on the forums as well that claimed to be "New players"

It brings me a little hope for a game I do enjoy. Not only that, it's summer which can always be a fairly slow time of the year for activity.. So whatever people are doing good work.There's still hope left for this game... I don't think it needs to come in the form of updates or changes to systems already present, it needs to come from the community making the game and these forums a more pleasant place to be. It's a hard road, and in the end it may be all for naught, but i'll cling to my faith.

aand so that i'm not completely offtopic to contribute to the topic.. I do not think the descension system needs to be changed.. I was somewhat opposed to the doubling of the TOC back when it happened.. so the only suggestion or tweak I could give to it is to perhaps turn it down so that it's more than what it was originally, but less than the double it is now.

As for linking PPT's or adding the option of PPT to ascended.. Very opposed. Ascended has always been a raw battleground with no safe places. If you want to stay safe, you work for your account. Bar none. It's been that way since it opened.. and that way it should stay.
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Re: Descending changes

Post by Angelis~ » Wed Jul 20, 2011 4:05 pm

I have an ascended list per say. When a new person ascends for the first time they get the highest number available. So if the highest was 9985 then the newest "Prior" would get 9986. I check the ids once a week. Usually its only a few people that are newly ascended per week maybe 2 or 3 sometimes none at all. One of the newly ascended however has a 4 digit main id... a little late to ascend lol unless of course then just came back to the game. Also quite a few of them are using names from people that played many years ago. Whether they are the original owners of those names or new players using them I cannot say.

Though I answered your question... this post is completely off topic. #-o
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Post by Richard B Riddick » Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:55 pm

im all for linked ppt's, since 1 purpose of it is so you dont have to log in for 2 days, and i know someone is gonna say "oh just hit vac on ascended then" then you lose 30% income as well, and if you are ascending you lose 30% in stats making it harder to ascend, and if i remember correctly you have to not hit anybody for 24 hours in ascended before you can hit vac, so even if you have ample time to farm in ascended the day before you can't, just saying, a lot of people hit ppt in main for RL, and really, whats it gonna hurt to link that into ascended, and have it so that if you hit someone in ascended during that ppt, you lose ppt on ascended and can be hit again.

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Post by renegadze » Thu Jul 21, 2011 10:50 pm

TheFlash4 wrote:im all for linked ppt's, since 1 purpose of it is so you dont have to log in for 2 days, and i know someone is gonna say "oh just hit vac on ascended then" then you lose 30% income as well, and if you are ascending you lose 30% in stats making it harder to ascend, and if i remember correctly you have to not hit anybody for 24 hours in ascended before you can hit vac, so even if you have ample time to farm in ascended the day before you can't, just saying, a lot of people hit ppt in main for RL, and really, whats it gonna hurt to link that into ascended, and have it so that if you hit someone in ascended during that ppt, you lose ppt on ascended and can be hit again.

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The thing is, people keep spouting the line "this is not what i signed up for". Well unless you brought your account and it was already ascended, then "What you signed up for" was an unascended account with no stat bonus. If people wish to have "what they signed up for" again, then the vac button is there to help. Everyone is complaining that they don't have time to login and it's so "unfair" yet I see no one complaining that they have been receiving their ascended bonus for such a long time.

If everyone is so intent in helping the new people out, then maybe give them some DMU...as a point to note, a newly ascended account with a 1 quad DMU infusion takes a minimum 4 hits to descend (if it is spent correctly). Yes I realise this is a lot for a VERY new player to farm, but it only equates to 2 tril naq in main on current prices.
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Re: Descending changes

Post by meatman » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:38 am

renegadze wrote:If everyone is so intent in helping the new people out, then maybe give them some DMU...as a point to note, a newly ascended account with a 1 quad DMU infusion takes a minimum 4 hits to descend (if it is spent correctly). Yes I realise this is a lot for a VERY new player to farm, but it only equates to 2 tril naq in main on current prices.


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Re: Descending changes

Post by Robe » Sun Jul 24, 2011 9:31 pm

I know of many players that have significantly improved their ascended accounts in under 3-6 months by simply logging in and farming for 10 minutes a day.

Lets use Main as a baseline for comparison.
How long would it take to build a good account in main (with 23 Ascensions and Covert 38)?

It's considerably easier to build a good account in ascended than it is in main.
Ascended is the ultimate catch up server (unlike main).

This topic has already been discussed at length in multiple other threads including
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The summary of suggestions is already pinned and summarised for Jason by mods at viewtopic.php?f=32&t=180589
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