changes to ascension

[PSICOLIX]

MY defence wans't that small, but the guy got a lot bonus with the Rank modifier, and that especialy unfain in the Kill military / assasin thing, yep any1 can be HIT. For example if i want mass the #1 guy, just have to have 20% his strike, and every planet i lost will be repaid in the raid... BUT payback its hard on ascension...

[Robe]

PSICOLIX you have the capacity to build a great defence (as do I).

However, 99% of the server do not. Also, 99% of the server do not steal naq or dmu from the Dirty Dozen Empire due to your MAD Policy.

I agree with Tekki. Vacation must be independent to both servers and equitable for people that have to travel away from home (work or play).
Bonus loss should be the same either way.

If you go on vacation main then you should lose power in ascended, the same way you do if you go on vacation in ascended.

[Lord_Zeus]

I think the 50% loss to your account is quite fair... Speaking from the perspective of a person who stockpiled lifeforce and is at war with dd... we've(people who stockpile lf) already lost 50% from this update. But overall in a few months this will probably be better for the server... so its good by me.

[Raven]

its funny to see people who are afraid of getting caught up by someone doing 1x 200k UP Ascension......while they themselves never even put something like that in it.....

With the current figures i could ascend and catch up in lvls its the way it supposed to be.....asc should mean improvement and if i do bigger ascension [even in %] then someone else i atleast wanna pass him in Lvls .......they always got the benefit of planets and time......

Maybe even the top players gotta reascend again to maintain the top would be great to see the ascended server like that and people will ascend again like it used to be ...... for actually progress...

[Spoon]

If the update is to come in like this it may not be a bad idea to give everyone another week or two to prepare for whats coming, that way if people want to ascend again when the update comes out then they will have had enough time to prepare.

It would also be interesting to see everyone in ascension having to ascend again to boost their ascended accounts, though I still think levels have been made a little to cheap, though this is probably to keep numbers reasonable once the doubling takes place at higher power levels. If we kept the prices the same as they are now and introduced the doubling at levels 500-600 and so on then it would pretty soon become impossible to get more levels in any stats.

[Mojo Rising]

Ok folks, let me explain something. For those of you that are familiar with mathematics, Forum has introduced an asymptotic curve to the cost of levels above 500/700. Meaning he has steepened the hill to the point where it is non-navigable. If he cheapens the cost of levels below this point as well as increasing the APP-LF conversion rate AND the amount of LF that you get from Max LF, then he is allowing the ability for non-ascended accounts and those that ascended for the bonuses but never touched their accounts again, the ability to catch up to and, in some cases, pass the big guys. As a few have mentioned before, it is really going to hit the medium accounts the hardest and those who have just recently ascended.

As far as not putting the resources into ascension that most people did, comparatively, I did, as I did my ascensions early, when a 3400 UP was considered fairly significant. You have to adjust for inflation. Naquadah is more readily available to people than ever before, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility to see multiple 200K UP (or greater) ascensions very soon after this update hits.

[reborn]

its funny to see people who are afraid of getting caught up by someone doing 1x 200k UP Ascension......while they themselves never even put something like that in it.....

With the current figures i could ascend and catch up in lvls its the way it supposed to be.....asc should mean improvement and if i do bigger ascension [even in %] then someone else i atleast wanna pass him in Lvls .......they always got the benefit of planets and time......

Maybe even the top players gotta reascend again to maintain the top would be great to see the ascended server like that and people will ascend again like it used to be ...... for actually progress...

nope i never put in 1x200k Up ascension i put in more, and high ones before tha, but wait u lot want to chach up with us in one month for doing one ascension, but say well u can ascend again aswell, we put r main accounts weak for 2 yrs now starting to get them strong were as others kepted their strong all the time now only want to do one ascension but say we should have to do the same, thats the only way im reading that and well its what u put, which is total B/S

[Raven]

its funny to see people who are afraid of getting caught up by someone doing 1x 200k UP Ascension......while they themselves never even put something like that in it.....

With the current figures i could ascend and catch up in lvls its the way it supposed to be.....asc should mean improvement and if i do bigger ascension [even in %] then someone else i atleast wanna pass him in Lvls .......they always got the benefit of planets and time......

Maybe even the top players gotta reascend again to maintain the top would be great to see the ascended server like that and people will ascend again like it used to be ...... for actually progress...

nope i never put in 1x200k Up ascension i put in more, and high ones before tha, but wait u lot want to chach up with us in one month for doing one ascension, but say well u can ascend again aswell, we put r main accounts weak for 2 yrs now starting to get them strong were as others kepted their strong all the time now only want to do one ascension but say we should have to do the same, thats the only way im reading that and well its what u put, which is total B/S

Who says i was talking about you......i was talking about all the people who didnt even put 1 200k ascension into it.....dont be narrow minded and take everything i say personal.....And catching up in 1 month? who are you fooling because thats just total BS.....

Not to mention that you cant be caught with a 200k UP ascension......if you will be caught it will be by ascension bigger then you did so that is fair in my eyes......not in yours ofcourse.....what is it? people should do 10x what you did to be on the same lvl......


@Mojo .... If someone is able to put correct numbers here how much it would take to get top 10 stats it will be easy to see wether its to much or not.....not just guesses we need very accurate numbers

[Timmy]

for starters one ascnetion won't make the top 10 not even a 200kup one. as the time you get 1bil planets or so even if you had their levels once you ascended you would still fall behind. which is good as the biggest should stay in front unless alot of work and sacrifice to the main account is done.

yes this update affects the medium players probably the mosts as i am one of them if i don't ascend i am screwed but I'm fine with that so the rest of the people should stop whining.

the beauty of this update is that it wont stop your growth at levels 500/700. in fact for a short while growth will become easier for the big accounts than what it is currently. Basically the biggest remain the biggest but the ratio will decrease from what it is now like income are 100's the size of mine and after the update it is likely this will be deceased significantly to around 10-20times if they don't ascend i think. (thats an estimate). and at the same time if alot of accounts ascend they all lose like 20tril and 20mil uu that the top people don't have to part with so i think this update is good for all if they look passed some small negatives.

[Nostradamus]

As Mojo said you don't really comprehend enough math to be able to see this as clearly as we do .... if you catch us on msn we can talk you trough this and you'll see that we are not just trowing numbers.

[xtreme192]

from reading all the posts made in this thread im still not quite following the argument of the larger players about the reduction in the cost of the upgrades.

i currently have less than 2mill planets, so that would make the top 10 ~200-350 times my size right. now even if i were to match their growth stats with a large ascension (200k is the number floating around this thread atm) they will still be 200-350 times my size, and as my income, whilst growing quickly would not be any where near theirs, they would therefore be able to invest more into dmu to buy the more expensive upgrades and therefore pull away in growth from me again. and this is even asuming that they dont pull out an ascension, which depending on their income may or may not be profitable. have i got this completly wrong? if i dont have this wrong, what is the problem in reducing the gap at which u are expanding to the rest of the server you would still be growing faster than the rest of us

[PSICOLIX]

from reading all the posts made in this thread im still not quite following the argument of the larger players about the reduction in the cost of the upgrades.

i currently have less than 2mill planets, so that would make the top 10 ~200-350 times my size right. now even if i were to match their growth stats with a large ascension (200k is the number floating around this thread atm) they will still be 200-350 times my size, and as my income, whilst growing quickly would not be any where near theirs, they would therefore be able to invest more into dmu to buy the more expensive upgrades and therefore pull away in growth from me again. and this is even asuming that they dont pull out an ascension, which depending on their income may or may not be profitable. have i got this completly wrong? if i dont have this wrong, what is the problem in reducing the gap at which u are expanding to the rest of the server you would still be growing faster than the rest of us

Dude with a 150k UP, you will get enouth APP to get a 10-20 Mill UP.
thats 20 Million planets per Day...
Day 1: Top Guys have 500 Mill you HAVE 2 Mill ( 250 Time)
DAY 2: Top Guys have 550 you have 20 (27,5 Times)
Day 3: Top Guys have 600 you have 40 ( 15 Times)
day 4: Top Guys have 660 you have 60 (10 Times)
Day 5: Top Guys have 720 you have 85 (8 Times)
day 6: Top Guys have 800 you have 120 (6,5 Time)

PS: and for any1 that think they will not have the DMU to buy the fleets, well with 700 Production, i belive Black market will become FULL of DMU(very cheap), i will be making 16 Trill day myself, enouth to get 2 peaple from 0 to 60k fleets per Day, and Since i will only expend like 20 Trill on main to ascend, i woude gladly sell 8 Trill DMU for like 1,5-2 Trill in main. and done, every that wiling to do a 150k UP ascension(20 Trill) plus 2 Tril to buy DMU(imediataly increase of fleets) woude be easily geting a: 550 Charisma (16,5 Mill UP) and production 300. in 3 Days AFTER ascend for the fist time, that guy will have 1 Trill income per day.

now you do the math, in less than 1 month, every1 that have pitfull acount like you( don't mean to offend) will have HALF the top guys acount...

Just a PS: i got massed yesterday, lost 10 mill planets or so, and i not even upset! because i know when this come out, 10 Mill= almost nothing. thats just a example how scrued things will become.

[reborn]

Who says i was talking about you......i was talking about all the people who didnt even put 1 200k ascension into it.....dont be narrow minded and take everything i say personal.....And catching up in 1 month? who are you fooling because thats just total BS.....

Not to mention that you cant be caught with a 200k UP ascension......if you will be caught it will be by ascension bigger then you did so that is fair in my eyes......not in yours ofcourse.....what is it? people should do 10x what you did to be on the same lvl......


@Mojo .... If someone is able to put correct numbers here how much it would take to get top 10 stats it will be easy to see wether its to much or not.....not just guesses we need very accurate numbers

clearly u havent done the sums or just maybe u cant doesnt really matter i have, and no im not saying ppl shouldnt chach up if they do a bigger ascension than what i did they should chach up some, but not the the point of were ive done big ascensions for 2 yrs and been working on my lvl for 2 yrs, for someone to do the same as my last ascension and get more lvls than what i did, clearly u r cing it one way and dont want to c it another way, because now only after 2 yrs u have discided oh i feel like playing ascension, but want to have more lvls than anyone and that inclueds the huge accounts for just one ascension, yes u r going to say we will still have more planets though, we rightly so we played it for 2 yrs u didnt.

and just so u know the costs of my lvls it costs me over 7 tri per lvl to buy and im not even at the cap, but with one ascension every lvl could b maxed out with the new prices, and i havent spent just a little on lvls ive spent a lot around 910 tri on lvls in the last 7 days which only got me around 130 lvls, at the new price i could have maxed everything and still had about 850 tri to spend, and ive only spent that kind of dmu because it was not just my income it was a few ppl income all going to me

[xtreme192]

from reading all the posts made in this thread im still not quite following the argument of the larger players about the reduction in the cost of the upgrades.

i currently have less than 2mill planets, so that would make the top 10 ~200-350 times my size right. now even if i were to match their growth stats with a large ascension (200k is the number floating around this thread atm) they will still be 200-350 times my size, and as my income, whilst growing quickly would not be any where near theirs, they would therefore be able to invest more into dmu to buy the more expensive upgrades and therefore pull away in growth from me again. and this is even asuming that they dont pull out an ascension, which depending on their income may or may not be profitable. have i got this completly wrong? if i dont have this wrong, what is the problem in reducing the gap at which u are expanding to the rest of the server you would still be growing faster than the rest of us

Dude with a 150k UP, you will get enouth APP to get a 10-20 Mill UP.
thats 20 Million planets per Day...
Day 1: Top Guys have 500 Mill you HAVE 2 Mill ( 250 Time)
DAY 2: Top Guys have 550 you have 20 (27,5 Times)
Day 3: Top Guys have 600 you have 40 ( 15 Times)
day 4: Top Guys have 660 you have 60 (10 Times)
Day 5: Top Guys have 720 you have 85 (8 Times)
day 6: Top Guys have 800 you have 120 (6,5 Time)

now you do the math, in less than 1 month, every1 that have pitfull acount like you( don't mean to offend) will have HALF the top guys acount...

Just a PS: i got massed yesterday, lost 10 mill planets or so, and i not even upset! because i know when this come out, 10 Mill= almost nothing. thats just a example how scrued things will become.

no offence taken, i know my account is weak. i did not realise that it would give u that sort of up boost, thankyou for showing what it will mean, but in your example if that is a correct situation for the larger players (50mill growth per day), and i have no reason to doubt you, its only closing the multipule, not the actual gap that is still increacing, they started out at 498mill more and after day 6 are 680mill more. i think this is what raven and others are getting at, the large players will still continue to be large, and growing larger, they just wont have the monstorous growth compared to others. and i think its that point im having the most trouble with on your side of the argument argument

[PSICOLIX]

they started out at 498mill more and after day 6 are 680mill more.

yep, BUT that 680 Mill will be NOTHING, its like you have 1,958,456,875,124(1,9 Trill) MOre main naq than me, i woude say, BIG deal, that 4 days my income. after a few Months MOJO will Say to me, I have 1 Bill more units than you, and i will reply, BIG deal. thats nothing, 5 Days my UP...
if you don't got where this can go, i'm sorry, but i can see chaos in the future.