changes in ascension/main going to production

[Mordack]

Oh yes.. rest assured there'll be farming.

[Munchy]

update on Daimon: the battle losses from a daimon are double (on each side) and casualities on covert (ie the spies dying) are double...No glory either.
this makes it not only a bit more of a penalty, but creates a different playing style/option for the whole gameplay

can you explain what you mean by "both sides"? and also confirm whether its 50% or 100% bonus lost?

I believe it means that when you attack someone, and you are a Daimon, you will lose twice as many units as normal, but so will they. Same when they attack you. Very interesting.

Same with recon failures and sabbing.

[Sinath]

And like I said if thats the case the how is that really hurting them.

Obviously they aren't gonna be farming but raiding would still be easy.

All they have to do is build a huge def and there aren't many that would be willing to bother them.

[~Phoenix~]

Admin I think you missed another big issue...

[Sinath]

Hey Pheonix. Drop your main account down by about 90%. change your Race to Tauri or Asgard. Then complain. He might actually lsiten to you then.

[TipsY]

So being a Daimon...

PROS:
~ keeping the original bonus from ascensions (5% for prior, 10% for prophet and so on) for att/def/cov/anti/ms (anything else?)
~ better then hitting vac in ascended bonus vise
~ for those that do not want to play ascended, but keep bonuses

CONS:
~ if you wish to reascend, first you must go to normal race and start at 1 (prior) all over again
~ no ascended blessing
~ no "advanced races swapping" you are Daimon as race period

PRO & CON at same time:
~ double casualties when attacking someone (your attack forces and his def forces)
~ double casualties when defending an attack ( your def forces and his att forces)
~ double casualties when spying sabbing ACing (or failing)

Is that all?

[Forum]

yes..thats all.
i cannot see how losing double units on all 'actions' is not a negative... if it was 'one sided' (ie they lost 2x what opponent did) but did not apply to covert, would that be better somehow?? or worse?
i am still open for ...something..but want it to be original and 'ontop of' the bonuses (ie an extra penelty, opposed to less bonus...)

So being a Daimon...

PROS:
~ keeping the original bonus from ascensions (5% for prior, 10% for prophet and so on) for att/def/cov/anti/ms (anything else?)
~ better then hitting vac in ascended bonus vise
~ for those that do not want to play ascended, but keep bonuses

CONS:
~ if you wish to reascend, first you must go to normal race and start at 1 (prior) all over again
~ no ascended blessing
~ no "advanced races swapping" you are Daimon as race period

PRO & CON at same time:
~ double casualties when attacking someone (your attack forces and his def forces)
~ double casualties when defending an attack ( your def forces and his att forces)
~ double casualties when spying sabbing ACing (or failing)

Is that all?

[stefanos]

arent you punishing who he is attacking and who is attacking him if this is the case?

[Sinath]

How about you just do it the plain and simple way.


They get the same bonuses as vacation. No ascended blessing, and get to keep the weapons.

[Sinister]

I think he ment a daimon will have double the losses, not everyone else.

[~Phoenix~]

Hey Pheonix. Drop your main account down by about 90%. change your Race to Tauri or Asgard. Then complain. He might actually lsiten to you then.

lol nice one :p unfortunatly its true though...

[High Empty]

-% UP per bonus lost.


You can ascended 20 times and get a 44% stat boost, and then change self descend?

[TipsY]

How about you just do it the plain and simple way.


They get the same bonuses as vacation. No ascended blessing, and get to keep the weapons.

Then it's not worth to become a Daimon because it's like far worse... You wish to play ascended or reascend again while vac on ascended? Oneb utton away...

Wish to play ascended or reascended while Daimon? You must convert to normal race and start from scratch (prior).

Not a good idea. UNLESS you can resume ascending as Daimon which I suggested earlier... But will most probobly not be the case, because it would probobly make Daimons too powerfull...??


@ Sinister: Nope, both involved in a battle have double losses. Be it a Daimon as defender and "normal/ascended" person as attacker or other way around....

Interesting though, what if 2 Daimons battle? Does that mean 4 times losses? lol

[Forum]

ok - i can concede this... the daimon takes doulbe casualities in covert& battle (takes, not gives) .... keep bonuses, lose unique ascended blessing. no glory.
if you say "this is almost ok, but still gives them a little bit too much" then i can live with that
the point here is to give those who dont want to play ascension an 'out' ... without in effect resetting their account. this will leave those who want to play ascension, in ascension.

and if an update that allows ascended account to temporarily help main account ever comes out (no promises but no complete banning of the idea either), they would obviously not benefit...likewise if glory&rep in future provides a more direct benefit...

so - does this satisfy?

yes..thats all.
i cannot see how losing double units on all 'actions' is not a negative... if it was 'one sided' (ie they lost 2x what opponent did) but did not apply to covert, would that be better somehow?? or worse?
i am still open for ...something..but want it to be original and 'ontop of' the bonuses (ie an extra penelty, opposed to less bonus...)

So being a Daimon...

PROS:
~ keeping the original bonus from ascensions (5% for prior, 10% for prophet and so on) for att/def/cov/anti/ms (anything else?)
~ better then hitting vac in ascended bonus vise
~ for those that do not want to play ascended, but keep bonuses

CONS:
~ if you wish to reascend, first you must go to normal race and start at 1 (prior) all over again
~ no ascended blessing
~ no "advanced races swapping" you are Daimon as race period

PRO & CON at same time:
~ double casualties when attacking someone (your attack forces and his def forces)
~ double casualties when defending an attack ( your def forces and his att forces)
~ double casualties when spying sabbing ACing (or failing)

Is that all?

[Rich™]

yes, but simply put, dont want to play ascention? dont fricking ascend, would of saved alot of hassle