Nature of This Game (Stargatewars yes/no?)

[Envy]

and for those that don't remember him, squall bought "brother crits" account (a very powerful account at the time squall bought it) and went on a mass happy war spree,so much so that he ran the account into the ground as well as upsetting 2/3rds of the forum members, me included.

squall massed me a total of 3 times and peed me off so much that i bought (with AK's help) rank 1 anti covert just for him.

because squall waged war so much, brother crits once proud and powerful account looked like a typhoon had gone threw it and took up permanent residence in the account lol.

If I had an account powerful enough I would do the same, In this order


1) Every1 in TDL

2) EnterTheLion
3) Law7441
4) Every1 in Delta except Vegito or Anarchy_
5) The Rest Of Pages 1-3
6) Every Educator


I would probably mass Svarun about 5 times.



I estimate I would need an account the size of KGC's to pull that off properly, and it would most likely be dead afterwards, but damn would it be fun.

Good for him.

First of all if u had such and account like KGC's ur still would be un-able to mass every TDL member cus when u massed 1 person ur account will be trashed till u get to the second person.

Really u think wow I have a 8 trill strike I can mass anyone ur wrong and I made that mistake aswell. When was it euhmm yes and I aint ashamed of it.

It was withh DDE I believe. I also was hitting a DDE member with my decent strike ... I thougt the same like u if they hit back I'll mass them right away. How wrong I was Lore , Dees and someone else were faster than my pully fingers were. 1 massed 1 AC'ed and 1 sabbed my strike at the same time +-.

And I call the a decent massing. Althougt I was on my own. But to go back on ur foolishness 1 person cant beat a allaince with a decent power even if u have the largest account.

[weilandsmith]

Let's use real history.

In the second world war, Sweden kept itself untouched by using its technological advantage. The Swedes provided Hitler and Nazi Germany with equipment made from first rate materials and superior craftsmanship. If not for the advantage of technology, Sweden would have been annexed by Hitler.

The Allied landings in Normandy was a deliberate ploy to throw huge numbers of cannon fodder against fortified military installations. The German installations had the strategic advantage of fortifications and vantage points. All the allies had was an overwhelming number of troops which would eventually manage to take out the fortifications. As it turned out, overwhelming numbers won the day over fortifications.

Let's move on to more modern times. The so called cold war that had the United States and the USSR locked in a game of oneupmanship. Both governments ceaselessly struggling for the definitive advantage that would permanently knock the other out. Unfortunately, the USSR became politically unstable while the US remained intact.

The 2 Gulf wars are prime examples of technological advantage winning out over one man's tyranny or idealism. It all depends on your point of view, so lets not argue about the terms used here.

In these 4 examples, you have the advantage of technology, political stability and numerical superiority.

Now let's take a look at Iraq the way it is now. In spite of the United State's overwhelming technological advantage, it cannot seem to beat the fanaticism or idealism of several existing factions in Iraq. These are those who the US government label as terrorists.

Now that that's all said and done, what does it meant to you? If it doesn't mean anything, then perhaps that proves the saying that war is senseless.

If you paid close attention to what was written, you can surmise the following:

1) That those who made war or entered into war used whatever advantage they could to win over their opponents; or in Sweden's case, keep the enemy at bay.

2) That the way they fought depended on their capacity to make war. Sweden with their excellent craftsmanship and technology, the terrorists with their guerilla war tactics and suicide bombings.

When you compare these events to SGW, you will see the same things happening. 2 Super alliances in a quest to get the ultimate advantage in terms of manpower. This is similar to the United States versus the Union of Soviet Socialist Republic (USSR). Eventually, as in the case of the USSR, one will break down and the other will have dominion.

Speaking of dominion, take a look at Iraq. The United States may have dominion over Iraq, but small factions continue to elude them.

If ever a faction manages to gain the upper hand here in SGW, there will always be more players than that one single faction.

Everyone makes war according to their capacities to carry out war. If they cannot win by force, they will try to win by diplomacy. If they do not want to be part of the politics, they isolate themselves or refuse to join alliances.

What is the point? War is not linear. There are no rules. People who demand that SGW should be a constant, ceaseless struggle; people who demand that rules be put in place to define the style of play in SGW; people who demand that rules be put into play to define wars; they are wasting time and effort because wars will always be about exploiting advantages. Would you allow your advantage to be nullified or canceled out because of a rule? Most likely not. Most especially not in an environment where war is always imminent.

[SVaRuN]

and for those that don't remember him, squall bought "brother crits" account (a very powerful account at the time squall bought it) and went on a mass happy war spree,so much so that he ran the account into the ground as well as upsetting 2/3rds of the forum members, me included.

squall massed me a total of 3 times and peed me off so much that i bought (with AK's help) rank 1 anti covert just for him.

because squall waged war so much, brother crits once proud and powerful account looked like a typhoon had gone threw it and took up permanent residence in the account lol.

If I had an account powerful enough I would do the same, In this order


1) Every1 in TDL

2) EnterTheLion
3) Law7441
4) Every1 in Delta except Vegito or Anarchy_
5) The Rest Of Pages 1-3
6) Every Educator


I would probably mass Svarun about 5 times.



I estimate I would need an account the size of KGC's to pull that off properly, and it would most likely be dead afterwards, but damn would it be fun.

Good for him.

You got to explain the bottom part to me...


Seriously how come I would be blessed with your arrival not on one but on 5 ocasions?





Blue

[Nox]

and for those that don't remember him, squall bought "brother crits" account (a very powerful account at the time squall bought it) and went on a mass happy war spree,so much so that he ran the account into the ground as well as upsetting 2/3rds of the forum members, me included.

squall massed me a total of 3 times and peed me off so much that i bought (with AK's help) rank 1 anti covert just for him.

because squall waged war so much, brother crits once proud and powerful account looked like a typhoon had gone threw it and took up permanent residence in the account lol.

If I had an account powerful enough I would do the same, In this order


1) Every1 in TDL

2) EnterTheLion
3) Law7441
4) Every1 in Delta except Vegito or Anarchy_
5) The Rest Of Pages 1-3
6) Every Educator


I would probably mass Svarun about 5 times.



I estimate I would need an account the size of KGC's to pull that off properly, and it would most likely be dead afterwards, but damn would it be fun.

Good for him.

You got to explain the bottom part to me...


Seriously how come I would be blessed with your arrival not on one but on 5 ocasions?





Blue

i believe its called tough love

or flirting

[Amar]

well you should play main and then you can feel like you've accomplished something by building your own account and then massing said people... rather than everyone resetting so that you can all catch up...

Except that in main it is impossible to catch up without putting money into the game, and in chaos when it resets it requires people to play according to skill to get and stay ahead. If main were to reset, (god forbid), I would most certainly join in and I would be among the top players who don't put money into the game other than for FSS. The only way you'll catch up to me in Chaos is through a reset and it's been live for what... a week?

[RepliMagni]

Main doesn't require money....it requires time. If you have enough of it you can do virtually anything in this game

[barbs]

Main doesn't require money....it requires time. If you have enough of it you can do virtually anything in this game

... and time is money, dear friend

[RepliMagni]

Main doesn't require money....it requires time. If you have enough of it you can do virtually anything in this game

... and time is money, dear friend

Not to some kids who play

[nobodyhere]

are we debating the justification and use of the term "war game" or are we debating the game it self?

@ weilandsmith...

i have neither the time nor the inclination to go as far off topic as you have but what i will say is this...

if you think the US has no control over what is happening in iraq you are seriously misguided!
america never had any intention of leaving iraq and as for this faceless terrorist "enemy" that is causing so much trouble?

click the link below and you will see man kinds greatest enemy and terrorist alive today...unless you still beleive that a group of sheep herders organized the worst acts of terrorism seen since hitler burned down his own reichstag?

i will gladly debate this further in a split topic or via PM.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases ... -515h.html


back on topic anyone?


edit:

just found this lol...

''You know, one of the hardest parts of my job is to connect Iraq to the war on terror.''
—President George W. Bush, interview with CBS News' Katie Couric, Sept. 6, 2006

[Lord Raf]

click the link below and you will see man kinds greatest enemy and terrorist alive today...unless you still beleive that a group of sheep herders organized the worst acts of terrorism seen since hitler burned down his own reichstag?

really - see that wasn't terrorism, it was extreme polotics.
and hay if it works as it clearly did, and i have studied this at a higher level, then why not. after all you dont know something is worse until you try it and there are many things which we wouldn't have today if it weren't for Nazi German (yes i know terrible things too).

Everyone should be able to play their own style but all styles will have to link into eachother, so unless people want to play StarGateStat they shouldn't set up accounts that attract "the Educators"

Rafici

[Madtown]

why do we keep coming back to FUALL and Janus?

Do to the fact that most people didn't bother to read all the way through the first 2 pages of discussion.

are we debating the justification and use of the term "war game" or are we debating the game it self?

My purpose was to debate the use of the term though as I know realize my title was poorly chosen and didn't reflect what the intentions of the post was about.

[nobodyhere]

why do we keep coming back to FUALL and Janus?

Do to the fact that most people didn't bother to read all the way through the first 2 pages of discussion.

are we debating the justification and use of the term "war game" or are we debating the game it self?

My purpose was to debate the use of the term though as I know realize my title was poorly chosen and didn't reflect what the intentions of the post was about.

don't worry mate, those 2 weren't directed at you but those that are commenting without reading the first couple pages

[RobinInDaHood]

You got to explain the bottom part to me...


Seriously how come I would be blessed with your arrival not on one but on 5 ocasions?


Blue

Sounds like you've found a fan.

[Amar]

and for those that don't remember him, squall bought "brother crits" account (a very powerful account at the time squall bought it) and went on a mass happy war spree,so much so that he ran the account into the ground as well as upsetting 2/3rds of the forum members, me included.

squall massed me a total of 3 times and peed me off so much that i bought (with AK's help) rank 1 anti covert just for him.

because squall waged war so much, brother crits once proud and powerful account looked like a typhoon had gone threw it and took up permanent residence in the account lol.

If I had an account powerful enough I would do the same, In this order


1) Every1 in TDL

2) EnterTheLion
3) Law7441
4) Every1 in Delta except Vegito or Anarchy_
5) The Rest Of Pages 1-3
6) Every Educator


I would probably mass Svarun about 5 times.



I estimate I would need an account the size of KGC's to pull that off properly, and it would most likely be dead afterwards, but damn would it be fun.

Good for him.

First of all if u had such and account like KGC's ur still would be un-able to mass every TDL member cus when u massed 1 person ur account will be trashed till u get to the second person.

Really u think wow I have a 8 trill strike I can mass anyone ur wrong and I made that mistake aswell. When was it euhmm yes and I aint ashamed of it.

It was withh DDE I believe. I also was hitting a DDE member with my decent strike ... I thougt the same like u if they hit back I'll mass them right away. How wrong I was Lore , Dees and someone else were faster than my pully fingers were. 1 massed 1 AC'ed and 1 sabbed my strike at the same time +-.

And I call the a decent massing. Althougt I was on my own. But to go back on ur foolishness 1 person cant beat a allaince with a decent power even if u have the largest account.

I never said it was realistic, but I would if I could.

Main doesn't require money....it requires time. If you have enough of it you can do virtually anything in this game

... and time is money, dear friend

You beat me to it, well said.

You got to explain the bottom part to me...


Seriously how come I would be blessed with your arrival not on one but on 5 ocasions?


Blue

Sounds like you've found a fan.

...Yea, that's it. Me Blue

[~Artanis~]

So is it what you are asking ...why dont we war 100% of the time in SGW?


If not...tell me what do you think would happen if some ppl dint have a NAP...after that...tell me do you understand the NAP now?


Also, do you think that an alliance which wars all the time without stop can be the top alliance...?









Blue

I`ll answer the last part of your post...

yes it can....i won`t use an alliance but look at jedi or blahh.....doesn`t mean that when you have a bigger army,spy lvl`s,MS etc that it makes you the best and the top player.....
Your actions is what brings you to the top and personally I dont see a bunch of statbuilders who abuse their power once in a while to make sure noone bothers the rest of them as the "best" or the "top" players....

everyone has his opinion on who they think are top,the fact you have bigger armies doesn`t make you the best,nearly a good target for the smaller guys...

"Hannibal knew how to gain power,but not how to use it"