Mothership Massing

[KSM]

Keep it the way it is, this little thing only works when someone is offline and can't repair. How easy do you want the game?

[deni]

Keep it the way it is, this little thing only works when someone is offline and can't repair. How easy do you want the game?

no one wants to take the ability of a smaller MS massing a bigger one. It is all about the cost. If the smaller MS does take more losses then the big one, I am perfectly fine with.

The unbalanced cost is the core of the problem.

[KSM]

So you want the guy or girl with the small ms to spend more than you while you are offline? Does anyone remember the USS Cole bombing? Does anyone think that little small boat spent more than the Cole had to? The bigger you are the more you should have to spend. Don't have a big ms if you can't afford to lose it. Or whine about it till admin changes it. If you repair you can not be beaten by this tactic while you are online.

[deni]

So you want the guy or girl with the small ms to spend more than you while you are offline? Does anyone remember the USS Cole bombing? Does anyone think that little small boat spent more than the Cole had to? The bigger you are the more you should have to spend. Don't have a big ms if you can't afford to lose it. Or whine about it till admin changes it. If you repair you can not be beaten by this tactic while you are online.

Yes, I do expect that. Just like when you are massing a defense and not beating it from the start, you take more losses. Or do you want that changed too? The same arguments apply.

[KSM]

Then send your ms out when you aren't online. Say what you really want to say "I spent an ass ton of naq on my ms and only ms's who spent the same or more should be able to take it down". This is whining simple as that.

Do I want things changed in the game? No, the game doesn't need to be any easier.

[deni]

Then send your ms out when you aren't online. Say what you really want to say "I spent an ass ton of naq on my ms and only ms's who spent the same or more should be able to take it down". This is whining simple as that.

Do I want things changed in the game? No, the game doesn't need to be any easier.

You just refuse to understand what I am saying.

I have no problems at all that a smaller MS is able to mass a bigger one. What I have a problem with is, that they can do it at a stupidly low cost.

Why do you think that changing the costs of massing would make the game easier? Would it requiere more strategy and thought when it actually cost you something to fight a big MS? I think it would.

Now if you can contribute to the discussion, please do. Teloing people that all they do is whine does not help the discussion in any way.

[jedi~tank]

Use the planet/platform system..You have to be within a certain % power wise to hit, and the damage inflicted or recieved should be relative to the size of each ship and not the standard %.

Example...I have a 25B ms..I should have to be within say 10-15% of the opponents power to even hit it.

My MS should be able to do damage relative to my power and recieve damage relative to the opponents power..change the damage inflicted %.

With the current system you have escape pods blasting holes in Ori ships

[KSM]

I'm sorry Deni but what you are doing is whining. You want it to cost them more simply because you don't like they can mass your ms cheaply. Why should it cost them more? It's a suicide mission basically. If I massed your ms with my ms and had no shields I would expect to get blown up but if I hit you enough times without you repairing, your shields would eventually drop to where I could break them. So say the total cost is 500 bill to mass your ms with replacing volleys and such. That doesn't include me rebuilding my ms back to its full capacity afterwards if I so wish to do. In the end all you lose is the amount it costs to rebuild your ms. I would have to keep throwing volleys in while I'm massing you and then rebuild afterwards. It's not like I hit you with a 30 bill ms strike and I break your shields instantly, it takes awhile. And all it takes to stop it is be online or have someone in your alliance hit the ms thats hitting you and take it out. They can't do damage to you if they are being sat on by your alliance mates. If this happened to me I wouldn't be on the forums saying its not right. I would be asking why my alliance mates didn't help protect my ms and sit on who was massing me.

[deni]

You fail to understand that it does cost the bigger MS more to repair even if its owner is online.

The bigger MS loses more shields then the attacker loses volleys, despite the fact that the smaller MS is 8 to 9 times smaller.

If you mass a bigger MS and you cannot break its shields, then you should lose more then the defending MS.

If you already managed to break the shields, then I could live with the current cost.

Now please take your war glasses off and see where this leads to. It leads to the situation where having a big MS is a disadvantage.

[Iƒrit]

Its good to see that some of the bigger MSes are not destorting the capability, I like that you are keeping a fair mind about this, again I am not in favor of a smaller MS not havving the capability of massing a large MS, but I also see a huge flaw in a small MS being able to destroy a large MS with next to nothing for losses. I like Jedi~Tanks suggestion, perhaps 25% of shield strength must be met or you suffer double losses?

[qacol]

Make a auto fix- you have to put say 1 trill into a fix slot and as your MS gets massed it auto fixes like your there. How you like them apples.

[Tekki]

That would partially work Qacol but then why not repair weapons in defence with the same principle, or planet defences? But in the end that doesn't address the issue

I believe the issue here is not the fact that the damage is limited on what you can do to an unshielded MS, when logically you should be able to inflict devastating damage on the volleys of an unshielded MS.

[[SlayerS_fith]]

This is where i think it comes into action that big ppl always win.
and there shoudl be some kind of limit to the people you can hit like the raid thing. but a lil more complicated.

because so people whom spend trills into there ms shoudl whoop any1's ass hands down. but if u think that the ability for all massive ms's to always over through small ones is the right way regardless of the size of each player then what hope do other people have against large players. the power abuse will come into effect.

[Noobert]

This is where i think it comes into action that big ppl always win.
and there shoudl be some kind of limit to the people you can hit like the raid thing. but a lil more complicated.

because so people whom spend trills into there ms shoudl whoop any1's ass hands down. but if u think that the ability for all massive ms's to always over through small ones is the right way regardless of the size of each player then what hope do other people have against large players. the power abuse will come into effect.

My question to you is..

Do you not think they DESERVE this right? They spend trillions upon trillions into this. It is extremely expensive to upgrade yet they get massed by a 34B strike mothership or a 160B strike mothership when they are over 1.5T. So tell me, do they not deserve the right to not be massed by such a small thing?

It is not so much the small factor, as the losses per hit ratio. If you look at the logs, I lose 1.5K and he loses 700 sometimes even less for him. Now imagine somebody like Tekki, Deni, Priape, Robe, or Thamuz then do the math.

[dukecarnige]

no one hear has said that we should stop small MS massing bigger ones only that the % to kill rashio be fixed. no one can honestly sit hear and say its feer that a small MS dose more damige then a big MS thats just crazy...

if u think that its unfear people who have put more work into there account hand tried allot harder to get to the position of power dont deserve to be treated feer too well thats crazy...

i dont class my selff as a big acount even know i have over 170 million UU but i wont be builing a MS at this stage when my MS with a strike of over 100 bill can mass say "robes" at a DF of about 900 billion... it only cost me a fue bill to mass at her loss of a trillon... but if u guys say thats feer and ok well i gess i must ablige

( i only made up robes and my stats as an exsample, sorry robe to your your name when thinking MS yours came to mind lol)your awsum robe lol