Realm alert/Income Control

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Realm alert/Income Control

Well most all are use to the realm alert features of other games, and while I don't really want this to be "other games" I feel the feature allowed for something that will be desperately needed in Origins, and thats Income Control.

Origins is unique in the fact that "Military Units" consisting of Att and Def men are the highest income producers, coupled with the fact that a large "general population" defined as UU as create income. This poses a unique problem to Origins. If your income is to large, the normal reaction is to increase your defense, but by doing so you increase your income as well. That is the unique problem. When the cure causes the problem.

It is highly prevalent in the beta stage now with the skewed weapons strengths as they are, but I wonder if it will do the same in the live version. When new accounts start 3 or 6 months after live release, will they be able to build a def to protect their income? or will they just be making themselves better farms in the long run?

I propose the Discussion of a "Real" alert level. True to its real name. A level that increases both covert awareness and defensive potential, at the cost of your income.

I do suggest it has real down side to it as well. It should not be something switched on and off at will, but should be a committment such as 8 to 12 hrs. Possibly even a lowering of Strike potential as they are looking/expecting an attack against them.

Discussion please.


possible set up being

Relm alert 1 normal business/relaxed military
All stats completely unaltered
Relm alert 2 Few reports of neigboring attacks
20% income decrease
5% Def power increase
10% covert increase
5% Att power decrease
Relm alert 3 Know hostiles in the area
35% income decrease
10% Def power increase
25% covert increase
10% Att power decrease
Relm alert 4 Ship/men sightings
50% income decrease
15% Def power increase
40% covert increase
15% Att power decrease
Relm alert 5 Imanant Attacks present
70% income decrease
20% Def power increase
50% covert increase
20% Att power decrease

something similiar, feel free to change the #'s
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Re: Realm alert/Income Control

I like where you balance it with the commitment-downside. Very well thought out, this idea.

Figures sound about right too.. :)

Lore wrote:If your income is to large, the normal reaction is to increase it, but by doing so you increase your income as well. That is the unique problem.
I think I understood what you meant to say. :P
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Re: Realm alert/Income Control

Universe wrote:I like where you balance it with the commitment-downside. Very well thought out, this idea.

Figures sound about right too.. :)

Lore wrote:If your income is to large, the normal reaction is to increase it, but by doing so you increase your income as well. That is the unique problem.
I think I understood what you meant to say. :P

reworded, my mistake
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schuesseled wrote:And Yes, If someone attacked me with a knife and I had a cannon I would shoot them with it.
Age old saying that, "Dont bring a knife to a gun fight"
Reason, youll get dead.
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Re: Realm alert/Income Control

=D> =D>
although, IMO - i wouldnt make the def increase as high, and i would drop the strike stat decrease a little more... will help stop people leaving it on indefinatly...
Lore's brain works like a 1960s Holden... always runs at 100% quality no matter how many times its been round the block :lol:
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moments of epic proportions:
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[5:26:57 AM ] josh: 30% of 100 is 33.3333333333333
[5:27:11 AM] Jake/Tees: LOL
[5:27:23 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to pretend you didnt say that
[5:27:29 AM] Jake/Tees: actually no
[5:27:33 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to sig it
[5:27:49 AM] Jake/Tees: now think cafefully
[5:27:49 AM] josh: w8
[5:27:53 AM] josh: i meant 100
[5:28:04 AM] josh: sorted
[5:28:07 AM] josh: **Filtered** u :D
[5:28:09 AM] Jake/Tees: if 30% of 100
[5:28:11 AM] Jake/Tees: is 33.3333333
[5:28:13 AM] Jake/Tees: then tell me
[5:28:17 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33%?
[5:28:19 AM] josh: yeah i knew what i ment in my head :D
[5:28:30 AM] Jake/Tees: did you?
[5:28:34 AM] josh: w8
[5:28:37 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33% josh???
[5:28:43 AM] josh: now thats 33,3333
[5:28:46 AM] Jake/Tees: :D
[5:28:48 AM] Jake/Tees: idiot
[5:28:48 AM] josh: ok
[5:28:50 AM] josh: i give in
[5:29:01 AM] josh: **Filtered**


[9:42:59 PM] robert: look my race :P
[9:43:09 PM] robert: zombie will not come here
[9:43:51 PM] josh: ah no brains
[9:44:04 PM] josh: bit harsh on yourself rob


[11:56:17 PM] Duderanch: KOS [ TÅTS - KOS it IS]
[12:03:49 AM] Duderanch: Someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel
[12:03:59 AM] Duderanch: just cant decide if it's kos or taf


[4:13:09 AM] Cersei Lannister - (Juliette): It's sad to see how many people here (in NL) are starting to use Arabic words for **Filtered**.
[4:13:54 AM] HiMyNameIs Martin: So then getting stoned in the NL may take on another meaning (worry)
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You are as peaceful as a nox kitten. Disgraceful.
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Re: Realm alert/Income Control

teesdale wrote:=D> =D>
although, IMO - i wouldnt make the def increase as high, and i would drop the strike stat decrease a little more... will help stop people leaving it on indefinatly...
Lore's brain works like a 1960s Holden... always runs at 100% quality no matter how many times its been round the block :lol:

LOL

TY, and its been around many a block too 8)

Yeah, long term those numbers are to high.
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schuesseled wrote:And Yes, If someone attacked me with a knife and I had a cannon I would shoot them with it.
Age old saying that, "Dont bring a knife to a gun fight"
Reason, youll get dead.
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Re: Realm alert/Income Control

right, now i got a question... you say that income is tied in with trained units... the more i train, the lower my income gets... this a bug?
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moments of epic proportions:
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[5:26:57 AM ] josh: 30% of 100 is 33.3333333333333
[5:27:11 AM] Jake/Tees: LOL
[5:27:23 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to pretend you didnt say that
[5:27:29 AM] Jake/Tees: actually no
[5:27:33 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to sig it
[5:27:49 AM] Jake/Tees: now think cafefully
[5:27:49 AM] josh: w8
[5:27:53 AM] josh: i meant 100
[5:28:04 AM] josh: sorted
[5:28:07 AM] josh: **Filtered** u :D
[5:28:09 AM] Jake/Tees: if 30% of 100
[5:28:11 AM] Jake/Tees: is 33.3333333
[5:28:13 AM] Jake/Tees: then tell me
[5:28:17 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33%?
[5:28:19 AM] josh: yeah i knew what i ment in my head :D
[5:28:30 AM] Jake/Tees: did you?
[5:28:34 AM] josh: w8
[5:28:37 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33% josh???
[5:28:43 AM] josh: now thats 33,3333
[5:28:46 AM] Jake/Tees: :D
[5:28:48 AM] Jake/Tees: idiot
[5:28:48 AM] josh: ok
[5:28:50 AM] josh: i give in
[5:29:01 AM] josh: **Filtered**


[9:42:59 PM] robert: look my race :P
[9:43:09 PM] robert: zombie will not come here
[9:43:51 PM] josh: ah no brains
[9:44:04 PM] josh: bit harsh on yourself rob


[11:56:17 PM] Duderanch: KOS [ TÅTS - KOS it IS]
[12:03:49 AM] Duderanch: Someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel
[12:03:59 AM] Duderanch: just cant decide if it's kos or taf


[4:13:09 AM] Cersei Lannister - (Juliette): It's sad to see how many people here (in NL) are starting to use Arabic words for **Filtered**.
[4:13:54 AM] HiMyNameIs Martin: So then getting stoned in the NL may take on another meaning (worry)
~Tziki~ wrote:my ass is busy :'(
You are as peaceful as a nox kitten. Disgraceful.
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reborn wrote: You think u can see scripting from spying. Is the demi u have this?

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Re: Realm alert/Income Control

teesdale wrote:right, now i got a question... you say that income is tied in with trained units... the more i train, the lower my income gets... this a bug?

Income from Att and Def, AFAIK you get no covert from Covert or Anticovert.

could that be the issue?
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schuesseled wrote:And Yes, If someone attacked me with a knife and I had a cannon I would shoot them with it.
Age old saying that, "Dont bring a knife to a gun fight"
Reason, youll get dead.
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Re: Realm alert/Income Control

hmm, my 1k spies say yes :lol:
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moments of epic proportions:
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[5:26:57 AM ] josh: 30% of 100 is 33.3333333333333
[5:27:11 AM] Jake/Tees: LOL
[5:27:23 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to pretend you didnt say that
[5:27:29 AM] Jake/Tees: actually no
[5:27:33 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to sig it
[5:27:49 AM] Jake/Tees: now think cafefully
[5:27:49 AM] josh: w8
[5:27:53 AM] josh: i meant 100
[5:28:04 AM] josh: sorted
[5:28:07 AM] josh: **Filtered** u :D
[5:28:09 AM] Jake/Tees: if 30% of 100
[5:28:11 AM] Jake/Tees: is 33.3333333
[5:28:13 AM] Jake/Tees: then tell me
[5:28:17 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33%?
[5:28:19 AM] josh: yeah i knew what i ment in my head :D
[5:28:30 AM] Jake/Tees: did you?
[5:28:34 AM] josh: w8
[5:28:37 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33% josh???
[5:28:43 AM] josh: now thats 33,3333
[5:28:46 AM] Jake/Tees: :D
[5:28:48 AM] Jake/Tees: idiot
[5:28:48 AM] josh: ok
[5:28:50 AM] josh: i give in
[5:29:01 AM] josh: **Filtered**


[9:42:59 PM] robert: look my race :P
[9:43:09 PM] robert: zombie will not come here
[9:43:51 PM] josh: ah no brains
[9:44:04 PM] josh: bit harsh on yourself rob


[11:56:17 PM] Duderanch: KOS [ TÅTS - KOS it IS]
[12:03:49 AM] Duderanch: Someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel
[12:03:59 AM] Duderanch: just cant decide if it's kos or taf


[4:13:09 AM] Cersei Lannister - (Juliette): It's sad to see how many people here (in NL) are starting to use Arabic words for **Filtered**.
[4:13:54 AM] HiMyNameIs Martin: So then getting stoned in the NL may take on another meaning (worry)
~Tziki~ wrote:my ass is busy :'(
You are as peaceful as a nox kitten. Disgraceful.
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reborn wrote: You think u can see scripting from spying. Is the demi u have this?

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Re: Realm alert/Income Control

I like the idea of Realm alert. We did some thinking earlier today on how this would work. However this won't be implemented for launch. We've decided to draw the line if you will on updates before launch, otherwise we could leave it in beta for two months while I work on updates and other things.

It's a good idea, look for it in an upcoming update.
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Re: Realm alert/Income Control

adminGary wrote:I like the idea of Realm alert. We did some thinking earlier today on how this would work. However this won't be implemented for launch. We've decided to draw the line if you will on updates before launch, otherwise we could leave it in beta for two months while I work on updates and other things.

It's a good idea, look for it in an upcoming update.



*Does a little dance*
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schuesseled wrote:And Yes, If someone attacked me with a knife and I had a cannon I would shoot them with it.
Age old saying that, "Dont bring a knife to a gun fight"
Reason, youll get dead.
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Re: Realm alert/Income Control

Lore wrote:*Does a little dance*

*makes a little love*
*gunna get down tonight*
*gunna get down tonight*

:lol: old school tunes man!
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moments of epic proportions:
Spoiler
[5:26:57 AM ] josh: 30% of 100 is 33.3333333333333
[5:27:11 AM] Jake/Tees: LOL
[5:27:23 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to pretend you didnt say that
[5:27:29 AM] Jake/Tees: actually no
[5:27:33 AM] Jake/Tees: im going to sig it
[5:27:49 AM] Jake/Tees: now think cafefully
[5:27:49 AM] josh: w8
[5:27:53 AM] josh: i meant 100
[5:28:04 AM] josh: sorted
[5:28:07 AM] josh: **Filtered** u :D
[5:28:09 AM] Jake/Tees: if 30% of 100
[5:28:11 AM] Jake/Tees: is 33.3333333
[5:28:13 AM] Jake/Tees: then tell me
[5:28:17 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33%?
[5:28:19 AM] josh: yeah i knew what i ment in my head :D
[5:28:30 AM] Jake/Tees: did you?
[5:28:34 AM] josh: w8
[5:28:37 AM] Jake/Tees: whats 33% josh???
[5:28:43 AM] josh: now thats 33,3333
[5:28:46 AM] Jake/Tees: :D
[5:28:48 AM] Jake/Tees: idiot
[5:28:48 AM] josh: ok
[5:28:50 AM] josh: i give in
[5:29:01 AM] josh: **Filtered**


[9:42:59 PM] robert: look my race :P
[9:43:09 PM] robert: zombie will not come here
[9:43:51 PM] josh: ah no brains
[9:44:04 PM] josh: bit harsh on yourself rob


[11:56:17 PM] Duderanch: KOS [ TÅTS - KOS it IS]
[12:03:49 AM] Duderanch: Someone is scraping the bottom of the barrel
[12:03:59 AM] Duderanch: just cant decide if it's kos or taf


[4:13:09 AM] Cersei Lannister - (Juliette): It's sad to see how many people here (in NL) are starting to use Arabic words for **Filtered**.
[4:13:54 AM] HiMyNameIs Martin: So then getting stoned in the NL may take on another meaning (worry)
~Tziki~ wrote:my ass is busy :'(
You are as peaceful as a nox kitten. Disgraceful.
Image
reborn wrote: You think u can see scripting from spying. Is the demi u have this?

Dr Mariaelena Punicelle (Tier 4)

Skill level: Out of this world

Ability:
Increased able to detect scripts --4.41%
Decreased intelligence if you think the top ability works --99.98%
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