another POV

[LegendaryA]

Full video of the boarding - uncensored images broadcasted by FoxNews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaiMjAULWn0

+ comments.

Biased obviously, but well, those fools cannot cover what they did indefinitely, and crying for victimization by the so called bad Israelians while being totally guilty, only uninformed or naive ones can take it.

[[KMA]Avenger]

i couldn't careless who those descending down the line are.

as long as i have made no threatening actions, anyone trying to board my ship will also get a poll up the arse!

its not an invasion force, these people are delivering humanitarian aid for crying out loud!


**Filtered** HIT EM AN HIT EM HARD!!!

[Juliette]

i couldn't careless who those descending down the line are.

as long as i have made no threatening actions, anyone trying to board my ship will also get a poll up the arse!

its not an invasion force, these people are delivering humanitarian aid for crying out loud!


**Filtered** HIT EM AN HIT EM HARD!!!

They're **Filtered** blockade runners. Scuttle the **Filtered** ship.

Should have sent infiltrators along with the ship and sank it halfway, with no ties to Israel whatsoever.
Or used that land-based laser-guided rail gun thing south of Tel Aviv to shoot it out of the water. Before Billy Bob could say "Quack".

[LegendaryA]

i couldn't careless who those descending down the line are.

as long as i have made no threatening actions, anyone trying to board my ship will also get a poll up the arse!

its not an invasion force, these people are delivering humanitarian aid for crying out loud!


**Filtered** HIT EM AN HIT EM HARD!!!

Lol Avenger.

Those guys were literally the kind of "bring it up if you dare", or another way to put it, those pathetic idiots on streets who throw stones and insult by screaming @ cops from the other side of the street and then cry and scream horror when/if cops dare to strike back. They pretend then they were just walking and got assaulted by cops for <insert motive similar to victimization or silly accusation of racism> reasons.

[[KMA]Avenger]

lol Jim, did you even read what i wrote?

1, this is not some invasion force.
2, these ain't thugs on the streets.
3, they are in international waters
4, who cares what they are saying?
5, they are being boarded while on a humanitarian mission.
6, what do you suggest they do, wait for them to board and then wait to see if they are merely asking for direction to some holiday resort somewhere in the Med before they act?

[Jack]

lol Avenger, did you not read what Juliette wrote?

5, they are being boarded while on a humanitarian mission.

They are on a mission to run a blockade. WTH did they expect?

6, what do you suggest they do, wait for them to board and then wait to see if they are merely asking for direction to some holiday resort somewhere in the Med before they act?

WTH do you suggest Israel do? Just roll over any time someone says they are going to run the blockade with "humanitarian" reasons and allow it to happen?

[LegendaryA]

lol Jim, did you even read what i wrote?

1, this is not some invasion force.
Indeed, this is provocation group (thus my quote "bring it on if you dare")
2, these ain't thugs on the streets.
Yet they act like them
3, they are in international waters
Like Juliette says, there's no international waters in Mediterranean sea
4, who cares what they are saying?
It was an example
5, they are being boarded while on a humanitarian mission.
Wait...I thought they were pacifists?

6, what do you suggest they do, wait for them to board and then wait to see if they are merely asking for direction to some holiday resort somewhere in the Med before they act?
See above

Those cry babies can be glad that Israel isn't as evil as they claim, otherwise the use of chairs, iron bars and knives to "defend" themselves against soldiers would have caused a butchery among the "humanitarians", if they were as evil as they claim.

[Hitchkok]

I'm really disapointed you want me to deface this argument with shock images, and depravity.

I only post this to show i'm not bluffing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5wrwZlwAq8

i'll take this one up first.
first of all, i don't see any Israelies shooting children in the west bank here.
actually, i don't see Israelies shooting anyone, anywhere here.
what i see here is a Gazan hospital (and here's the key phrase) during operation "cast lead'.
now, we can debate the credibility of these photos, and we would probably get nowhere. so i'll say this, and leave at at that: the Hamas has been known to put up false presentation. however, for the sake of argument, let's assume that some of the pictures are authentic. and i'll even spare you the quantitive arguement, and accept that one dead child is as much a mark of shame as a thousand. so how can this be explained?

remember the key phrase?
then now i shall, as lord thriller might say, add context.
operation "cast lead" was a military operation Israel launced in January 2009, after over 8 years of Israely cities near the Gazan border being constantly attacked by rockets. the operation was designated to seek and destroy reservoirs of rockets and rocket manufacturing facilities.
during the operation rockets were continusly fired on cities within Israel, many of them from civilian neighborhood inside the Gaza strip. many forces received secondery mission to destroy these launchers. while persuing their mission, they encountered ressistence inside urban areas.

now, an urban enviroment is probably the most frightening enviroment for asoldier. you work in small groups, disconnected from the main force, ambush shelters are abundant, and the danger sorruonds you in a 360 degrees sphere. a soldier facing incoming fire in an urban environment will do everything in his power to neutralize the threat. and if that means throwing a grenade, or an RPG through a window, that's what he'll do. and if there's a child in a room which is used to ambush, and faces high risk of attracting fire, whose to blame for the child receiving a shrapnel injury, the person shooting from the room, or the soldier defending himself?
and a force that's been assigned a task to neutralize a rocket launcher in a school yard, is he to blame if children did not heed the ample warning given, or is the terrorist aiming that launcher at other civilians?
who's to blame, the government that deploys its soldiers to keep violence as far away from its civilians, or the one that takes the battle to the center of it's own cities?

you said you don't need me to show you videos of Hamas using kids as human shields. apperantly that's because you've found them yourself.

and one more thing. this might not be directly related, but it says something about Israel's and the Hamas' relative prespective on the importance of life and death.
there's an expression in hebrew, "to dance over the spilled blood". a person is said to dance over spilled blood if he uses another person's grief for his own cynical uses. no hospital manager in Israel will allow cameras to record dead bodies being treated in that manner. the Hamas, it seems, will.

tbh mate, i originally wanted to go point by point. i wanted to get this out of the way before i moved on to your other points and shoot them down 1 at a time. debunk this if you can: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qnu5qPXEmkc

as for this. first, what do we see here?
at first, we see a small group protesting near what seems to be a border fence. the ending titles suggest it is part of the "separation fance" (the West Bank Barrier) which Israel begun building after a wave of terrorist attacks during the early 2000s (and which is considered to be one of the main reasons, if not the single most important one, to the termination of that wave). the video is edited very neatly so as not to present violence by the protestors, but their body language is very aggressive. this is not a quiet demonstration, or a noisy piquet line. this is an intented provocation. next we see a small group, composed mostly of elderly women and youn people, of seemingly western appearence. the next shot are of IDF soldiers shooting riot dispersion means. we don't know if this were shot at the group we saw earlier, we don't even know if they were shot at the same event. but we know that's what the editor wants us to think. than an older woman speaking (assumingly mairead maguire. my speakers aren't functioning, so i apologise if that's being said on the video. for the same reason, i won't respond to her words). we than see a brief shot of the demonstration, showing us it's actually more then 4 or five people (sloppy editing, ). the older woman speak some more, than a semmingly arab older man, some seemingly arab children, andd the woman gets up and climbs on the bus, with no more help i would expect a woman her age might need.

now, as for the context. as you might know, Israel withdrew from Lebanon in 2000. while that fact has nothing to do with this video, the way it was done offers us insight to what goes in the mind of an Israely soldier facing a demonstration.
as i said, israel withdrew from lebanon in 2000. until then, it held a chain of posts, a few kilometers from the Israely border, in Lebanon territory. some of them were held by IDF forces, and some by the SLA (South Lebanon Army, a force composed mostly of druze and christian soldiers, that was allied with Israel). a month or so before the day schedueled for the withdrawal, Hizebolla organised mass rallies begun entering the SLA posts. to avoid shooting at civilians, and under the assumption that some of the participants in these rallies are armed Hizebolla activist in disguise, the IDF command ordered the SLA to abandon their posts. the line quickly dissassembled, and Israel was forced to withdraw early and with disarray, which allowed Hizebolla to claim it threw Israel out of Lebanon.
following this incident, every post and border patrol in Israel was equipped with riot dispersion means, to be used in cases where live fire is unacceptble, but means must be taken as self defense.

now, let's recap. we have quite a large gruop (definietly more then the four soldiers present), displaying aggressive body language, and nearing a closed military zone. what would happen to me were i, plain clothed, to near a US, UK, or any of the EU members army camp and not heed calls to stop?
as you can plainly see, after the demonstrators pulled away from the fence, the soldiers ceased fire. Israely soldiers voluntarily shooting innocent civilians? not here.

[Thriller]

Everything you write is conjecture hitch. Maybe you should change your name to Non Sequitur.
I provide clear examples of isreali injustice and all i get is more tit for tat. Your not even trying to adress what im saying rationally; just playing it off as just, compared to something else. That doesn't even follow properly and may or may not be related(not clear hitch).

I just sent you some videos of people shot at while being perfectly come and still and another of them camly leaving then put under fire. I'm sure youll attempt to justify them aswell through loose logic and double think.
To adress your criticism of what kma posted.

Here is one for everyone else that is not as violent since it doesn't use live ammo, but is shocking none the less.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x66wcv ... oting_news

Going justify it hitch?, Deliver Yahwehs justice to those palestinian dogs?

[Thriller]

Full video of the boarding - uncensored images broadcasted by FoxNews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaiMjAULWn0

+ comments.

Biased obviously, but well, those fools cannot cover what they did indefinitely, and crying for victimization by the so called bad Israelians while being totally guilty, only uninformed or naive ones can take it.

IT says right in the title the video is censored.... how to bias leg?

This is what fire looks like on thermals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu8Y2zcZjI4

IF you want to be a bigot then just do it full out already, your namby pamby attempts to disguise it make you look like a coward. Just saying

[LegendaryA]

Full video of the boarding - uncensored images broadcasted by FoxNews.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JaiMjAULWn0

+ comments.

Biased obviously, but well, those fools cannot cover what they did indefinitely, and crying for victimization by the so called bad Israelians while being totally guilty, only uninformed or naive ones can take it.

IT says right in the title the video is censored.... how to bias leg?

This is what fire looks like on thermals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu8Y2zcZjI4

IF you want to be a bigot then just do it full out already, your namby pamby attempts to disguise it make you look like a coward. Just saying

This is footage broadcast live from the ship. Mainstream media refuse to show this to prevent justice from the actual violence instigators.

"They were quickly censored out"

Learn2Read101

It's on tv now, saw it on CNN and the such, but I dont think back when this video was posted it was on other tvs.

IF you want to be a bigot then just do it full out already, your namby pamby attempts to disguise it make you look like a coward. Just saying

Typcial nonsense screaming.

Throw the "big words" to show some weight in the hope it matters. Lol, hillarious.
Hiding behind the accusation(s) at the other side by lack of proper things to say. Ah well, it's as old as arguing exists.

[Thriller]

Sure LEG, you keep thinking your always right

[LegendaryA]

Sure LEG, you keep thinking your always right

Pot calling kettle black.

I'm sure you didn't even watch this before posting. So before talking, watch first, more than title of the video, might be helpful?

[Thriller]

Sure LEG, you keep thinking your always right

Pot calling kettle black.

I'm sure you didn't even watch this before posting. So before talking, watch first, might be helpful?

What you mean the video with the sad music playing in the background and biased subtext. nooo .
why would i post that video of the fire seen with thermals?

LEARn to THink Pl0X

[LegendaryA]

Sure LEG, you keep thinking your always right

Pot calling kettle black.

I'm sure you didn't even watch this before posting. So before talking, watch first, might be helpful?

What you mean the video with the sad music playing in the background and biased subtext. nooo .
why would i post that video of the fire seen with thermals?

LEARn to THink Pl0X

In english please.

Ah, I expected either looking only at title or claiming it's fake video. Well, the latter it is!

I saw this video on CNN as well...one cannot say that CNN is as biased as FoxNews on the matter.

Funny thing is that I usually prefer to stay neutral on Israel/Palestinian military-wise matters (but this time I felt like it was too big to ignore it), but the more I read your posts, the more I feel like I become pro Israel. Well, not your posts only, but they participate a bit.