descension

[~Phoenix~]

I agree with what you are saying fundamentally Phoenix, but i don't know that you have anything to worry about. The way i see it, at least from reading the discussion so far, you won't have anything to worry about? As long as your ascended being has good stats, which it should have because you've been there for ages like me and played hard, like me. The only thing that i don't agree with in your post is that we didn't know about descension? We always knew it would come eventually. Always.

Hopefully, this is how it will be:

2 types of players, 3 different aspects:

One type of player who has concentrated on both servers with equal consideration, this player will have good personal stats and also good realm stats, and will be very hard to descend.

Another type of player who has only ascended to achieved power in main server, stronger weapons etc. This player will not have concentrated on building their ascended realm and so will either have entirely weak personal stats and be descended easily and often OR they will have concentrated on their power ups and be difficult to descend but easy to farm because they have pitiful realms.

Either way, type "b" player should be very harshly penalised in main server, for not playing the game as it was intended?

Indeed he should, still, I could ascend now and buy all that I have in ascended. Thats my point.. the ones that took the leap of faith are disadvantaged.. newer players now get 33times what we did when we ascended first.... is that the reward for taking the original leap of faith?

Its just like they get a head start by.. well starting last..

[Nostradamus]

Dont complain too much on this .... it's true the value of power points has changed, but you have months ahead of other players in this server ..... even if you weren't very active you would still have plenty of turns and a decent number of planets ..... let's assume that STI would sell all his UU to a guy who hasn't ascended, he gets a few trilion naq and ascend with that .... he will get high stats in just about everything important, BUT ...... he will have no turns and no planets so it will take time for him to grow and you could effectivly keep attacking him and he will never be able to get very far.

So you should mention the advantages you got when ascending first

[~Phoenix~]

Dont complain too much on this .... it's true the value of power points has changed, but you have months ahead of other players in this server ..... even if you weren't very active you would still have plenty of turns and a decent number of planets ..... let's assume that STI would sell all his UU to a guy who hasn't ascended, he gets a few trilion naq and ascend with that .... he will get high stats in just about everything important, BUT ...... he will have no turns and no planets so it will take time for him to grow and you could effectivly keep attacking him and he will never be able to get very far.

So you should mention the advantages you got when ascending first

You forget, descension is not all about stats itts about the ascended abilities.. a whole alliance could easily mass the stats...

[Wolf359]

@ Wolf369 - With regards to your bold, highlighted text, can you confirm something please. Define the word PLAY. ? I spend my DMU and my lifeforce at least 3 times a day <-- is that PLAY'ing?

In this instance I would say that you are PLAYing. NOT PLAYing is putting your account permanently in vacation mode - which is why there must be some sort of link - or knowing that you can leave your account open, but never have to login to it (as current) to keep yuor main bonuses - i.e. no threat of decension.

[Blackbird]

well this has been an intresting thread to read - personally i like the idea that forum put forward as it will get players to use there ascended account more as i have to say although i use it i cant really say i've been playing, however i dont like the idea of a reverse ascention as i dont want my main account completely destroyed because someone in ascention had a bad day

also which stats will determine the attack/defensive power of your ascended being

i dunno if anyone else thinks this is a good idea but if ascended battles are going to be prolonged fights i think it could be a good idea if other ascended being could step in to aid the attack/defence of any one of the players/ give them extra life force

[[AG]Ra]

sorry if it was posted before i really don't want to read through 20 pages of replies.
so what if the user wants to descend him/herself for some extra bonuses on main or as a preemptive strike on self. would it be possible?

[Maleki]

For the effort it will take to descend someone I feel that only losing your main bonuses for a month is too weak and watered-down. Not too mention this update won't address those players who've put their accounts on permanent vaction mode (or so it seems since they haven't come off vac mode in months) in ascention and as such are avoiding the possiblity of being penalized, while still enjoying the benefits ascention has to offer on main.

Not sure if this has been mentioned yet or not, but maybe instead of losing your bonuses for a month after a successful descention you lose one ascention level? (ie; a living god would then become an incarnate and so on respectively) This would be a more severe punishment for descention but wouldn't completely wipe away all the ascended benefits and should keep people from mass quitting just because they were descended (though some will undoubtably still quit no matter what is decided upon for descention simply because they do not like it).

[Shooting Star]

Phoenix, I have no idea what you are talking about. The ascended server opened last September, so it has almost been a year. I ascended the day after the server opened (ID 42, Mojo Rising) and my first ascension was a pathetic 5300 APP ascension when we were getting like 10 LF per APP. So, I too, know of the pain of ascending early. But I was also wise and saw that quick ascending with minimum requirements five or six times was not the way to go. I paced myself, sacrificing some power in main initially to build my realm in ascension by doing increasingly massive ascensions and also giving myself time between ascensions to let my realm build up on its own. I took the risk of ascending right away because I wanted to be able to pave the way for the rest of my alliance members to ascend with some knowledge of what to expect beforehand. It has worked too, as DD now holds the top three spots in ascension and five of the top ten.

For those of you who claim not to know about descension until recently, you obviously did not do any research. Descension was talked about from day 1 of the server opening. And, had you asked any ascended member worth his salt about it, he/she would have told you that it was coming. Hell, it was supposed to come out this past February. There was a big brouhaha then because it didn't. That's when there was lots of discussion on the losing of levels and everything except money makers and why I was so disappointed with the incredibly watered down version that Forum has proposed here.

Yes, I want descension to hurt people. I sacrificed a lot of main resources to insure that I would be able to descend people when the time came, thinking that descension would be crippling. Right now, it gives a mild leg cramp; I want to cut the Achilles' tendon. You could have done the same thing I did and ascended with more than minimum requirements and you would now be in the same position as I am. You chose a different path and, apparently, it has not worked out for you as well as might be expected. Should I be punished for playing ascension well? I don't think so. Should people who just ascended quickly for the bonuses in main and didn't bother to play their ascension accounts because they didn't care be punished? You betcha! Because this was always going to be a part of the server, regardless of what you believe. Right now there is no punishment, only suppression.

[High Empty]

Dont complain too much on this .... it's true the value of power points has changed, but you have months ahead of other players in this server ..... even if you weren't very active you would still have plenty of turns and a decent number of planets ..... let's assume that STI would sell all his UU to a guy who hasn't ascended, he gets a few trilion naq and ascend with that .... he will get high stats in just about everything important, BUT ...... he will have no turns and no planets so it will take time for him to grow and you could effectivly keep attacking him and he will never be able to get very far.

So you should mention the advantages you got when ascending first

You forget, descension is not all about stats itts about the ascended abilities.. a whole alliance could easily mass the stats...

Sorry for butting in, but the idea has to be that it's a 1vs1 battle. SO no allainces. As for desending if you log in don't worry about it. It isn't something that can just happens as there are a max amount that your account can be hit. Futhermore if you have a good personal consitution Like the guy in the below post who can get it to 100. Then you can't be descended.* note to forum that might be a problem.

KEY THING: Limit the attackers to 1

Phoenix, I have no idea what you are talking about. The ascended server opened last September, so it has almost been a year. I ascended the day after the server opened (ID 42, Mojo Rising) and my first ascension was a pathetic 5300 APP ascension when we were getting like 10 LF per APP. So, I too, know of the pain of ascending early. But I was also wise and saw that quick ascending with minimum requirements five or six times was not the way to go. I paced myself, sacrificing some power in main initially to build my realm in ascension by doing increasingly massive ascensions and also giving myself time between ascensions to let my realm build up on its own. I took the risk of ascending right away because I wanted to be able to pave the way for the rest of my alliance members to ascend with some knowledge of what to expect beforehand. It has worked too, as DD now holds the top three spots in ascension and five of the top ten.

For those of you who claim not to know about descension until recently, you obviously did not do any research. Descension was talked about from day 1 of the server opening. And, had you asked any ascended member worth his salt about it, he/she would have told you that it was coming. Hell, it was supposed to come out this past February. There was a big brouhaha then because it didn't. That's when there was lots of discussion on the losing of levels and everything except money makers and why I was so disappointed with the incredibly watered down version that Forum has proposed here.

Yes, I want descension to hurt people. I sacrificed a lot of main resources to insure that I would be able to descend people when the time came, thinking that descension would be crippling. Right now, it gives a mild leg cramp; I want to cut the Achilles' tendon. You could have done the same thing I did and ascended with more than minimum requirements and you would now be in the same position as I am. You chose a different path and, apparently, it has not worked out for you as well as might be expected. Should I be punished for playing ascension well? I don't think so. Should people who just ascended quickly for the bonuses in main and didn't bother to play their ascension accounts because they didn't care be punished? You betcha! Because this was always going to be a part of the server, regardless of what you believe. Right now there is no punishment, only suppression.

I've thought about what your saying, and your are right and wrong. Your doing huge jobs with your major ascensions. Where as if you do 15 littler ones then you help your main account along so that it can futher your ascended account. You take the min amount of UU when you go, but the max amount of naq.

Going for UP* i've looked at the smaller numbers and it matches naq. Now when your going with 50K well you should only have so much AP, however i'am not sure if that's the case. DD would know more about that as they have long pratice going with 50-100kUP as they take 80-100 days to ascend max out there profit.

As for what you think about descending well, if you desended a prior then i think it should be all the way. His access to his ascend acccount gets removed till he reascends. a tag gets put on it " God was a wimp, i'am going back to my subjets). This allow the account to remain in ascended server and if and when he/she ascendeds again it will be waiting for them.

High Empty

[~Phoenix~]

1 on 1 in ascension battles yeh.. but beore that, when it comes to just plain massing.. loads can hit 1 guy.. as you Mojo and DD found out when you hit me, you also discovered the attack limit and embarrased youreself when I repaired

[Aegidius]

I read the last 6 pages (I reached page 10 the last time) and I think most are missing the point. This is not about what YOU want. You should think about balance (as Forum does). If a total descension is implemented (lose the bonuses for good) there will be ppl getting mad and leaving the game. If nothing at all is implemented then the Ascension server continue with the slow die (and Forum will not allow that). So u have an idea in the middle and you don't want it? Come on ppl, cut it or make an other thread with the title "I DON'T LIKE descension" and an other with the title "I WANNA DESCEND EM ALL" to experese your feelings.
I would like to read good ideas to help Forum in the details and I have to swimm between the blabla to find em. Thanks.

[Blackbird]

I read the last 6 pages (I reached page 10 the last time) and I think most are missing the point. This is not about what YOU want. You should think about balance (as Forum does). If a total descension is implemented (lose the bonuses for good) there will be ppl getting mad and leaving the game. If nothing at all is implemented then the Ascension server continue with the slow die (and Forum will not allow that). So u have an idea in the middle and you don't want it? Come on ppl

i agree 100%

[~Phoenix~]

I read the last 6 pages (I reached page 10 the last time) and I think most are missing the point. This is not about what YOU want. You should think about balance (as Forum does). If a total descension is implemented (lose the bonuses for good) there will be ppl getting mad and leaving the game. If nothing at all is implemented then the Ascension server continue with the slow die (and Forum will not allow that). So u have an idea in the middle and you don't want it? Come on ppl, cut it or make an other thread with the title "I DON'T LIKE descension" and an other with the title "I WANNA DESCEND EM ALL" to experese your feelings.
I would like to read good ideas to help Forum in the details and I have to swimm between the blabla to find em. Thanks.

Been saying it for ages

[Goretrek]

Can people please read the entire thread before posting comments. Reading the same idea's time and again is tiresome.

Descension has the potential to make or break this game, if you value this game and want to see it prosper please take the time to read this thoroughly.

Here's an interesting question for people to think about.

Why would any new player want to ascend when descension exists?

So they might get a month of protection from being descended Older players have never had the worry of it until now. Instead they have had almost a year to build themselves extremely powerful accounts.

How many MMORPG's exist that have perma death? None that I have played and none I am aware of. By allowing descension to have permanent effects especially when the playing field is so uneven will see people leave the game.

What happens when everyone has settled their bloodthirst and pounded their enemies. They'll get bored and start descending random people 'just because they can'. As I've said before its all about the long term effects.

[Munchy]

Can people please read the entire thread before posting comments. Reading the same idea's time and again is tiresome.

Descension has the potential to make or break this game, if you value this game and want to see it prosper please take the time to read this thoroughly.

Here's an interesting question for people to think about.

Why would any new player want to ascend when descension exists?

So they might get a month of protection from being descended Older players have never had the worry of it until now. Instead they have had almost a year to build themselves extremely powerful accounts.

How many MMORPG's exist that have perma death? None that I have played and none I am aware of. By allowing descension to have permanent effects especially when the playing field is so uneven will see people leave the game.

What happens when everyone has settled their bloodthirst and pounded their enemies. They'll get bored and start descending random people 'just because they can'. As I've said before its all about the long term effects.

I agree 100%. Leave it at a month. If the person doesn't learn their lesson then I guess they will just get decended again and again.

If there was a permanent death feature the unbalance in the game would increase at an rapid rate. There would be one or two initial gigantic wars on the ascended server when the feature came out..and after that there would be little competition except the occasional random player who managed to gain some power, but that player wouldn't stand much of a chance against an entire alliance of players who had been ascended for a year.

And on main you see people massing other players all the time 'just for the hell of it' even when it costs them a ton of resources to do it. I do not see any reason why the same thing would not happen on the ascended server..but the consequences would be permenant.