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Apophis The Great wrote:our laws

GhostyGoo wrote:

Apophis The Great wrote:our laws

Wrong.

This is your final solution Sir, i am trying to open your eyes to your laws.

-Goo™

GhostyGoo wrote:Admittedly you and I do keep trying to keep this topic on track Apophis, however, this does not raise you above the natural order of debate.

I would very much like to align myself with everyone but sadly, as any logically aligned earthling would agree, i have to align myself (based on my opinon of such) towards submitted evidence. Is this not how the Law operates? It's very hard to understand the Law without having a fundamental knowledge of philosophy because "natural law" or "common law" IS philosophy.

Why is this about reform?

The reform that we are about to undertake, much like the reformation of Iraq, is illegal.

It's happened because CAPITAL and not ETHICS were the driving force behind the reform.

-Goo™

Lois Griffin: "I found an ad for a used car from the paper."
Peter Griffin: "Oh, no. A guy at work got a car from the paper, two years later, Bam! Herpes."

Universe wrote:Seriously, what this lot needs is a firm hand. Obviously when you allow them to homeschool and procreate like your average rabbits, you promote the mushrooming of ridiculous fantasies. No. The solution, as always, is simple but drastic. Given the mindset of the average person, it won't ever become a reality, but here goes, once more unto the breach!

. Education (tuition fees and book expenses) is free for all citizens (immigrant and full alike), and is obligatory for everyone under 18. People who show exceptional ability are promoted to higher education (more fine-tuned to their capacities and aiming to unlock their full potential). People who are unable to pass a basic survivability (physical and mental health) test by the age of 16 will be relocated until they are able to pass their test.
. Healthcare is free for full citizens, market pricing applies for immigrant citizens, and very basic healthcare will be awarded to non-citizens unless there are exceptional circumstances regarding their citizenship. Long-term (1+ year) hospitalization is not an option for any citizen under full citizen level. Healthcare is paid for by corporations, who in turn receive free (proportional) airtime for commercials on any state-subsidized networks (time is increased/decreased as budgetary needs vary).
. All human reproduction before personal debts are cleared is prohibited. Illegal offspring of proper physique will be awarded to infertile, eligible persons. Immigrant-citizens without personal debts are allowed to reproduce within the limits set by the state authorities, depending on work availability and education capacity.
. Immigration ends tonight. Batch immigration based on work availability will be a considerable option to relieve pressure on the citizenry. However, police will not actively hunt for illegal immigrants. Any (illegal) immigrant who keeps a job (and as such, out of the police's sights) for 1 year and 1 day will be awarded immigrant-citizenship. After another 7 years of crimeless employment, full citizenship can be awarded.
. Citizenship will be taken from people who are officially bankrupt, and/or sentenced in cases regarding felonies. One month after clearing of their debts, citizenship will be restored to their previous level.
. All citizens are allowed the right to vote. Immigrant citizens are not allowed in any political office. Any office above mayor requires unchallenged evidence of fourth generation citizenship (person, parents, grandparents and greatgrandparents have to have been full citizens without interruptions - i.e. personal debts/clean justice sheet).
. Anyone serving in the Police force will be awarded £ 25k upon finishing a 25 year term of service without any substantiated complaints lodged against them. Similar arrangements will be made for Fire department, Emergency Coordination personnel.
. Convicts are allowed no personal possessions other than money, and their personal possessions will be converted to money upon starting serving a 15+ year sentence. State penitentiary facilities provide a survivable situation for any and all convicts, regardless of their crimes. Capital punishment is allowed as per state authority's decision, amnesty can be granted by state and federal authorities. In situations where a threat against the nation is imminent, any and all rights of convicts can and will be suspended at the federal government's discretion. 90% majority vote is required (which in the case of a threat to the nation will contain a 25% vote of the Head of State - tiebreaker).
. Legislation is under continuous evaluation by a special federal commission, working together with Federal and State Supreme Courts. In situations where international cooperation is agreeable, this commission will also cooperate with the International Court.
. Popular votes (referendum) can be called at the discretion of state and federal authorities. This vote will account for 51% in regards to any decision the populace is called to vote upon. Voting facilities will be made available upon acquisition of (any kind of) citizenship.



I think I was.. gentle.. don't let the first few proposals shock you into not reading on. Also, don't dismiss the proposals because it is I who propose them. No one here is that petty. (Except perhaps me.. *hides*)

Ridd1ck wrote:But one point I disagree with is the illegals. They should ALL be rounded up and shipped back where they came from. Then we should actively patrol the border with a minimum of 50,000 troops that have the green light to shoot anything that crosses the border illegally.

Apophis The Great wrote:That's out of proportions to deal with immigration this way. We aren't dictatorships like North Korea.

GhostyGoo wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpq7TtMEBFA&

i don't see what relevance this has on anything.

Apparently in 2020 Britain will have a muslim majority in parliament. Good luck. I'll still believe women have as much right to the land as men.

-Goo™

Apophis The Great wrote:That's out of proportions to deal with immigration this way. We aren't dictatorships like North Korea.

Ridd1ck wrote:But one point I disagree with is the illegals. They should ALL be rounded up and shipped back where they came from. Then we should actively patrol the border with a minimum of 50,000 troops that have the green light to shoot anything that crosses the border illegally.