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Aye, they get 25% bonus in 1 stat.

We get:
max 49% in attack/defence/covert/AV/Income
59% chance of blessing doubling our attack or defece
stronger weapons
more merc control

then they have a choice to keep the basic 25% in one area or ascend to build up the % in all areas.

if its about making it so they dont have to ascend then maybe there sould be a new tech for them thats as expensive as ascending and increases in cost with each lvl like ascending does that allows them to get the same % bonuses without the need of ascending.

I can see you are trying to be equitable but if it's going to cost the same as ascending, why not ascend? And don't say because they can be decended. While it is true, it takes very little work to get yourself undecendable or you can go the other path and log in enough.

Tekki wrote:I can see you are trying to be equitable but if it's going to cost the same as ascending, why not ascend? And don't say because they can be decended. While it is true, it takes very little work to get yourself undecendable or you can go the other path and log in enough.

Leg Apophis was talking alot about not being ascended which i thought doesn't really have much to do with this tread or update, in his defence he said those that has ascended get to many bonuses.
i tried to point out ascending is not to hard to do, but if they don't want to ascend ( maybe don't want to play more than one server / game ) then maybe techs that cost around the same per lvl so they have another way of earning the bonuses ascended players earned by ascending..

when i 1st ascended was when your main account was as good as reset, now when you ascend you get a load of ATs, naq and UU for free which as good as covers the cost ascending in the 1st place unless your on the higher lvls of ascending.

i ask one question, just how easy does this game need to be for new players compaired to those that have played for years?

bring back the amount of ATs you could get with market turns and make it so you can ascend each week and a new player can catch up in no time at all and now with planets it even easier for them.

heck back on subject if they use there market turns for merlin and PPT it wouldn't take them long to use planets has they are now to have a nice strike to farm all they need to catch up in no time aswell without having to worry about keeping all their planets safe.( the lack of ATs they can get is what makes it harder for them now )

ÃÐØÑΧ wrote:

Tekki wrote:I can see you are trying to be equitable but if it's going to cost the same as ascending, why not ascend? And don't say because they can be decended. While it is true, it takes very little work to get yourself undecendable or you can go the other path and log in enough.

Leg Apophis was talking alot about not being ascended which i thought doesn't really have much to do with this tread or update, in his defence he said those that has ascended get to many bonuses.
i tried to point out ascending is not to hard to do, but if they don't want to ascend ( maybe don't want to play more than one server / game ) then maybe techs that cost around the same per lvl so they have another way of earning the bonuses ascended players earned by ascending..

when i 1st ascended was when your main account was as good as reset, now when you ascend you get a load of ATs, naq and UU for free which as good as covers the cost ascending in the 1st place unless your on the higher lvls of ascending.

i ask one question, just how easy does this game need to be for new players compaired to those that have played for years?

bring back the amount of ATs you could get with market turns and make it so you can ascend each week and a new player can catch up in no time at all and now with planets it even easier for them.

heck back on subject if they use there market turns for merlin and PPT it wouldn't take them long to use planets has they are now to have a nice strike to farm all they need to catch up in no time aswell without having to worry about keeping all their planets safe.( the lack of ATs they can get is what makes it harder for them now )

Stamp of aproval
No need for newbies to have everything on a silver plate.

I'm just saying the gap between unascended and ascended should be limited a bit.
And a tech used for unascended with big costs to counter to little extent big bonuses of ascended ones, why not. Afterall, beng unascended should remain an option for people.

Why should remaining unascended be a viable option? Why should someone new not have to put in the time and effort that everyone else did?

I made a crapload of comments about planets in this post...
viewtopic.php?f=101&t=167014&p=2103695#p2103695

Instead of copying and pasting them back in this thread... I figure the link would be just as effective.

Wepwaet wrote:Why should remaining unascended be a viable option? Why should someone new not have to put in the time and effort that everyone else did?

Because ascension shouldn't be mandatory...and anyway...we ascended people have stronger weapons, bigger bonuses, blessing, and mercs tech. I'm not saying to even all of those, just decrease a little the gap. I'm not in favor of catching up super easily for newbies, but I think unascended people who would wish to remain so shouldn't be THAT disadvantaged. There's still long term players who aren unascended.

Leg Apophis wrote:

Wepwaet wrote:Why should remaining unascended be a viable option? Why should someone new not have to put in the time and effort that everyone else did?

Because ascension shouldn't be mandatory...and anyway...we ascended people have stronger weapons, bigger bonuses, blessing, and mercs tech. I'm not saying to even all of those, just decrease a little the gap. I'm not in favor of catching up super easily for newbies, but I think unascended people who would wish to remain so shouldn't be THAT disadvantaged. There's still long term players who aren unascended.

They do have an equalizer... 1 super planet with support planets to evenly distribute the bonus. Oh wait... you're against that.

MaxSterling wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Wepwaet wrote:Why should remaining unascended be a viable option? Why should someone new not have to put in the time and effort that everyone else did?

Because ascension shouldn't be mandatory...and anyway...we ascended people have stronger weapons, bigger bonuses, blessing, and mercs tech. I'm not saying to even all of those, just decrease a little the gap. I'm not in favor of catching up super easily for newbies, but I think unascended people who would wish to remain so shouldn't be THAT disadvantaged. There's still long term players who aren unascended.

They do have an equalizer... 1 super planet with support planets to evenly distribute the bonus. Oh wait... you're against that.

I asked admin about making planets be different for unascended than for ascended, next week I will see if I can provide him a clear suggestion, as I thought about that only yesterday. If you bothered reading the last pages you wouldn't have posted that.

That took about a 1/3 of first meeting, talks about planets being more benefiting for unascended than for ascended.

Leg Apophis wrote:

MaxSterling wrote:

Leg Apophis wrote:

Wepwaet wrote:Why should remaining unascended be a viable option? Why should someone new not have to put in the time and effort that everyone else did?

Because ascension shouldn't be mandatory...and anyway...we ascended people have stronger weapons, bigger bonuses, blessing, and mercs tech. I'm not saying to even all of those, just decrease a little the gap. I'm not in favor of catching up super easily for newbies, but I think unascended people who would wish to remain so shouldn't be THAT disadvantaged. There's still long term players who aren unascended.

They do have an equalizer... 1 super planet with support planets to evenly distribute the bonus. Oh wait... you're against that.

I asked admin about making planets be different for unascended than for ascended, next week I will see if I can provide him a clear suggestion, as I thought about that only yesterday. If you bothered reading the last pages you wouldn't have posted that.

That took about a 1/3 of first meeting, talks about planets being more benefiting for unascended than for ascended.

Why would I want to go back and get bored to death from reading long winded posts that go nowhere?

I believe that no unascended account should receive any sort of competitive bonus without making sacrifices equivalent to those made by people that ascend.
If a person doesn't want to ascend, then they can use all the resources they saved from ascending to The UnKnown and put those resources into planets and their MS to offset the advantage. No unascended account should receive a bonus just because they "chose" to play that way. If they want a bonus, they should earn them like everyone else had to.

Proper explaination of my compromise proposal to Forum:

Currently the best way to have the most efficient bonus is to have 10 of the same planet type.
In the "fix" proposed in beta to have the most efficient bonus is to have 10 EQUAL planets of the same type.
In my compromise efficiency is built into the bonus check. The bonus amount vs natural stat determines efficiency not the number of planets.

Each of the planet types has a bonus "pool". The planets of that type add together to form that "pool". The upper amount you can get from that pool is 5x your natural stat.

This has several advantages. Since efficiency is no longer tied to the # of that type of planet that a person has, there is no "losing out" to people with $$. The person with the smallest bonuses(ie new people starting out with only 1-2 small planets) have the same bottom line planet-wise as everyone else. People will be encouraged to diversify the types of planets since they won't need to keep 10 of one kind. They will also have no need to keep "junk" planets because they will effectively be useless. The rates between atk planets and def planets can be easily adjusted through simply increasing the 5x natural stat to 6 or even 7.





While adjusting the atk/def power will help with short term effects of the beta "fix" , it will lead to the same problem cropping up in the future. People still lose efficiency but they just don't lose quite so much. Only those who rely on keeping 1 planet safe(ie the small and midsized players) lose out big time. I'd like to not see the groups that can least afford it suffer the most.






I whole heartily agree Max, let them grow like we all did. If people want to succeed then let them work for that success.

ÃÐØÑΧ wrote:if its about making it so they dont have to ascend then maybe there sould be a new tech for them thats as expensive as ascending and increases in cost with each lvl like ascending does that allows them to get the same % bonuses without the need of ascending.

I did this already. viewtopic.php?f=13&t=162732

Tekki wrote:I can see you are trying to be equitable but if it's going to cost the same as ascending, why not ascend? And don't say because they can be decended. While it is true, it takes very little work to get yourself undecendable or you can go the other path and log in enough.

Why be forced to play a particular style but. If Jason decided that MS can only add 25% power now, would you be happy you were forced to find a different means to achieve the same power? Or would you rather have a choice.

ÃÐØÑΧ wrote:i tried to point out ascending is not to hard to do, but if they don't want to ascend ( maybe don't want to play more than one server / game ) then maybe techs that cost around the same per lvl so they have another way of earning the bonuses ascended players earned by ascending..

Oh?
Total naq cost: 214T (for last 10 alone)
Total UU cost: 220M (at least)
Piece of cake...

Leg Apophis wrote:I'm just saying the gap between unascended and ascended should be limited a bit.
And a tech used for unascended with big costs to counter to little extent big bonuses of ascended ones, why not. Afterall, beng unascended should remain an option for people.

http://talk.gatewa.rs/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=162732
I tried

Wepwaet wrote:Why should remaining unascended be a viable option? Why should someone new not have to put in the time and effort that everyone else did?

Same time and effort, similar bonuses, diff unique tech. What exactly is wrong with that option...

Wepwaet wrote:[spoiler]Proper explaination of my compromise proposal to Forum:

Currently the best way to have the most efficient bonus is to have 10 of the same planet type.
In the "fix" proposed in beta to have the most efficient bonus is to have 10 EQUAL planets of the same type.
In my compromise efficiency is built into the bonus check. The bonus amount vs natural stat determines efficiency not the number of planets.

Each of the planet types has a bonus "pool". The planets of that type add together to form that "pool". The upper amount you can get from that pool is 5x your natural stat.

This has several advantages. Since efficiency is no longer tied to the # of that type of planet that a person has, there is no "losing out" to people with $$. The person with the smallest bonuses(ie new people starting out with only 1-2 small planets) have the same bottom line planet-wise as everyone else. People will be encouraged to diversify the types of planets since they won't need to keep 10 of one kind. They will also have no need to keep "junk" planets because they will effectively be useless. The rates between atk planets and def planets can be easily adjusted through simply increasing the 5x natural stat to 6 or even 7.[/spoiler]

Hmm, would have to think about this

Sarevok wrote:

ÃÐØÑΧ wrote:i tried to point out ascending is not to hard to do, but if they don't want to ascend ( maybe don't want to play more than one server / game ) then maybe techs that cost around the same per lvl so they have another way of earning the bonuses ascended players earned by ascending..

Oh?
Total naq cost: 214T (for last 10 alone)
Total UU cost: 220M (at least)
Piece of cake...

i'm ascending the last few being a queen right now and will be a king tomorrow and intend to go to unknown so i'm well aware of the cost involved as i'm paying it myself right now and putting in all the hard work.
do i have to or anyone else for that matter, no. i chose to.

Wakko wrote:Back on topic with planets. This is not about unascended account

sorry but i had to reply to the above.


there really isn't anything wrong with how planets are now and i've not even used it myself as i always had my planets the same.
at worse i would have to agree with what Wepwaet wrote as that looks like a good idea