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Suggestion: how about, a group is formed, say, of 6 FAIR, UNBIASED people we all agree upon. They receive applications for people to join Galactic Council. Just an idea. I rest my case.

SuperSaiyan wrote:

amag27 wrote:Suggestion: how about, a group is formed, say, of 6 FAIR, UNBIASED people we all agree upon. They receive applications for people to join Galactic Council. Just an idea. I rest my case.

good luck with that

Thanks for the support.

Hello,
Gen. Chewy of the BAU supports and would like to join in this endeavor

Overly formalizing and limmiting the input down further probably goes from double didgit % of active players having an input to single didgit %.


One more thing...

How are lone wolves represented?

Afteral, most newbies to the game are and will be that for prolongued periods of time. If they make a forum account thats a lot, I think we can all agree on that.

Are we to believe the (few) formalized alliances (that more or less constantly moan about the so called snipers and want their abbility to hassle them reduced in every meet) around this forum are going to genuinly look after what will ammount to their intrest in this, all of the sudden lol?

Idealism is all well and good, and playing mini un is phun, but if you`re gonna claim game representation infront of admin you best try harder to do it right and keep your cards on the table.

I`m not trying to get you to stop doing this... but to do it seriously and responsibly to everyone. I have yet so see a convincing reason as to why insight into the process and input have to be so drastically limited.

Brdavs m8, lone wolfes can represent own group as well. Also, they chosed to be lone wolves and to gain bonuses from this status. Lets say, if one player of wolves will get enough support by another lones he can be a part of GC. I think this is one of issues wer discusing now in GC.

Am sure many questions will be answered when GC will establish basic rules and procedures. But its not easy, everyone wants to create neutral, not biased and mature organization.

Dear players!
Give it time, this is first time when leaders of many alliances and empires wants to find way which will fit everyone, old gamers, emperors, massers, newbs, newcomers and... at first place, game admin Jason.

caesar2 wrote:Brdavs m8, lone wolfes can represent own group as well. Also, they chosed to be lone wolves and to gain bonuses from this status. Lets say, if one player of wolves will get enough support by another lones he can be a part of GC. I think this is one of issues wer discusing now in GC.

Am sure many questions will be answered when GC will establish basic rules and procedures. But its not easy, everyone wants to create neutral, not biased and mature organization.

Dear players!
Give it time, this is first time when leaders of many alliances and empires wants to find way which will fit everyone, old gamers, emperors, massers, newbs, newcomers and... at first place, game admin Jason.

Indeed, patience is required. In order for a house to stand and endure the raging storms the foundation it is built on must be laid down and with enduring strength.

patience is required. In order for a house to stand and endure the raging storms the foundation it is built on must be laid down and with enduring strength.

He's a Poet also

Ĕɱƿŷ wrote:Ya except the fact that any alliance can join and choose who they send to talk about things... so how is it private? To claim that it is not transparent is again a baseless claim. At this point it hasn't been decided if ALL of the section will be readable, if only SOME will be readable, or if NONE of it will be readable. I don't think anyone who has posted wants none of it visible. It seems like most what some of it visible and a few want all of it visible.

It's not backroom at all just tell the person or persons representing your alliance your idea and they will present it... In a democracy you don't have every citizen screaming in a giant room. You have appointed representatives who talk with other representatives. Much cleaner and simpler.

It's been proven that discussions like those in the "Suggestions" section where it's people posting endless saying the same things in different ways, and never changing their mind or coming to a compromise does not work. Will this be any better, or will it fail? Who knows but it's better to at least try with a chance of a better system than go with one you know doesn't work.

Its exclusive cos only the vocal minoriy of alliances are here and will sign up for this. The majority of players and alliances do not partake in the political life of this game, like it or not. Why cant a random tom Richard or joe that plays this game in the shadows pop onto the forum and put his 2 cents in to forming these heavyweight suggestions to admin that will derive their weight from the exact fact that they`re allegedly from everyone for the best of everyone?

I also dont know how you expect the thing to work any different to suggestions simply because the group is smaller. How do you intend to eliminate the differences we`re witnessing in the suggestion area? Only one called to brake ties is admin when he tooks all the suggestions onboard and decides what to do.

If the plan is vetting suggestions you bet your tooshe i`d like full chatlogs and acces to the conversations going on about said process to see just via what reasoning something got promoted and another thing rejected & call people out on it. I`ve read enough admin chat logs etc. that I know how these things work in sgw lol.

So I`d simply prefer to not leave the GC dark spots in which the most vocal minority of the vocal minority (my alliance included) can throw its weight around under the banner of evry mighty ideal out there. Trust in democracy? Democracy works precisely because every parliament session is transparent.

Hasnt been decided? Cool. I`m just saying how I think you should decide to retain as much legitimacy as you can. I dont think that council formed to offer consturctive criticism and suggestions is above those itself.

caesar2 wrote:Brdavs m8, lone wolfes can represent own group as well. Also, they chosed to be lone wolves and to gain bonuses from this status. Lets say, if one player of wolves will get enough support by another lones he can be a part of GC. I think this is one of issues wer discusing now in GC.

Am sure many questions will be answered when GC will establish basic rules and procedures. But its not easy, everyone wants to create neutral, not biased and mature organization.

Dear players!
Give it time, this is first time when leaders of many alliances and empires wants to find way which will fit everyone, old gamers, emperors, massers, newbs, newcomers and... at first place, game admin Jason.

The very nature of lone wolves is that they`re unoragnized. They`re the small guy that started 2 months ago or a years playing vet that just doesnt roll in alliances. Saying to them "ya well you can form a political group akin an alliance and apply for membership in our club - else it your problem for choosing the LW path" is not sufficient imho. They need a natural, easy, way in, not artificall barriers that defacto add up to a very small % of us here presenting our will and vision as that of all.

I`m all for giving it time. But I`d like to see what you do with that time too, thats what I`m saying. Cos its not like private initiatives have a sparkling record of awesome updates behind them lol. I`d like for everyone to have that insight. And for everyone to atleast have a way to place their 2 cents in, nomatter how estableshed he is on this forum. It can be done in an orderly fashion. Mods are a dime a dozen and all seem hyped about this.

Turst is cheap. If we want to speak for everyone, we have to be transparent and accountable to everyone. Or this is absolutly no different to whispering in admins ear for what we think is best on a meet already in place. Only this time its trying to pass it off as something it potentially wont be - not a voice of the very vocal minority.

We`re playing politics. Its hard work to be legitimate representatives of a community at large. If we dont put the work in, even if it means some cluttered threads that act as open chanells of input (that is atleast considered) for everyone, you cant parade as some bringers of the word of thousands of players to admin.

And in case anyone thinks I`m kicking up a fuss cos I didnt get in, I actually ruled myself out of the running for the TL spots. Cos this thing sure as heck needs more constructive opposition and supervision than it does another brain storming about game mechanics. Yea. I`m a backseat driver. Every recless driver needs one.

stupid hippy BS

can't believe the so called 'badass' alliances have bought into this crap.. it just shows how far they've come from their roots

Mordack wrote:stupid hippy BS

can't believe the so called 'badass' alliances have bought into this crap.. it just shows how far they've come from their roots

Whats wrong with it?

SuperSaiyan wrote:

Mordack wrote:stupid hippy BS

can't believe the so called 'badass' alliances have bought into this crap.. it just shows how far they've come from their roots

if you destroy the world, what is left to take control of?

there is a difference in conquering and destroying. If the game dies so does the "bad ass" alliance

I disagree. If you're the badass then you'd be fine seeing the game go down with you at the helm.. at the end of the day that's what being a badass is.

This game is dying because Jason doesn't give a crap anymore, and no amount of self-indulgent posturing from people who like to feel important is going to change that.

Mordack wrote:This game is dying because Jason doesn't give a crap anymore, and no amount of self-indulgent posturing from people who like to feel important is going to change that.

Jason has made updates recently. Whether that's because he cares and wants the game to survive or not is speculative, but I choose to think he's done it for the right reasons.

Mordack wrote:This game is dying because Jason doesn't give a crap anymore, and no amount of self-indulgent posturing from people who like to feel important is going to change that.

i got to say i love and always have your directness and cutting to the point.


So what been going on with this...any agreements or decisions made yet ?

Mordack wrote:This game is dying because Jason doesn't give a crap anymore, and no amount of self-indulgent posturing from people who like to feel important is going to change that.

Feel important like forum staff? Importnant like idk... why theres a forum if you think its just cuse ... someone feels important? Admins, mods, ombudsman... whole system built. Arent we wll playing this game cuse theres some system, a place where we can play with numbers, words, minds?

Do you think its better to do nothing?
Well, at least we can try! And if it wont work, we can say **Filtered** it ! this game is lost.

But at least, I will try, and i saw many otheres who wants to try. And not because someone feels important.