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Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:52 am
by Hensenshi
Sleipnir wrote:Profitteroles wrote:The reason updates like this are comming out is because players are complaining that they cant catch up with players that are doin 5 10 or 20mill app ascentions and the fact remains that if they was doing similar size ascentions then they could instead they would rather moan about them being so far ahead when infact they should be working their arses off working towards doing these huge app ascentions.
Excuse me, AP's were meant as a starting bonus, not the main ascension resource. The working your ass off part should come when you're ascended, and it should be possible to catch up to someone who started off with a fat bonus.
If APP was meant to be just the starting bonus then why can you reascend multiple times?
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:53 am
by Spoon
Nostradamus wrote:2. Give people more LF for each APP ... this is something it was done in the very beginning but then abbandoned and I don't understand why. Also make this ration based also on the number of APP you are getting ... for exemple : ascending with 1800 - 5000 APP will return 35 LF; ascensing with 5001-1000 will return 37 ... and so on until a limit. There should also be a modifier based on no of ascensions allrady done and on the ascended ID ..... the higher the ID the bigger the multiplier cause if a newer player. This will make people invest more into their ascensions and make the server more balanced.
The multipliers MUST be known ..... it's pointless now to hide ascensions facts from non-ascended people ... so that people can CLEARLY see what benefits they get if they invest more into their ascensions.
Most of the post that Ive taken this quote from has good ideas but I paticularly like the part above, it will if done in a reasonable manner help people no end to catch up in a reasonable manner. In fairness I can see where the turn change is trying to go, though unless its an incredibly small change between top rank and those at the bottom its going to end up unbalenced.
As for the superweapon issue well, that either needs removing or it needs a limit set I belive Nostradamus only hitting those within 10 ranks of you would be fair, I would go more for the idea that the most planets it can have an effect on is the number of planets you have in your own realm, so if you only have 100k planets the most you can destroy is 100k, if you have more planets then you can do more damage. This would stop smaller players from spamming the big guys just because they are on the front page and dont want their turn with the super weapon to be wasted.
Although it may prove to be a touch unpopular to allow those people lower in the ranks to grow it may even be time for a raid limit like there is in main to be set to stop those highest ranks from raiding all the smaller players.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:57 am
by Profitteroles
Sleipnir wrote:Excuse me
Consider yourself excused
Sleipnir wrote:AP's were meant as a starting bonus, not the main ascension resource.
If this was the case then it would be a 1 ascension limit and not 10, additional ascensions are there to boost your ascended account when the growth starts slowing down
Sleipnir wrote:and it should be possible to catch up to someone who started off with a fat bonus.
And it is I am proof of that
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:03 am
by Lord_Core
Sleipnir wrote:Lord_Core wrote:I dont even know why I'm respawnding to this, its not like we will see another post from Forum/Jason. What is done is done and it wont change.
Which is exactly the reason this forum is here, right? Forum never does anything with player feedback.
If you can't find enough arguments to back up your case, using the argument "Grow up" is pretty immature and thus better directed at yourself.
Well stop asking for hand outs, earn your spot instead of having a sweeping effect show up into the game that completly changes the dynamic of it as well as the balance factor that everyone had the same way of gaining APP but you chose to quick ascend destroying any chance of effectively holding up with the top players.
I was ranked 3rd over all in ascension and I have only ascended 5 times, I honestly didnt need to ascend the 5th time I fell under the thinking of an alliance mate. So I ascended for the 5th time. I make over 7.2bil DMU a turn and I make near 750,000 planets a day. Tell me who is in the top 25 with less ascensions and I'll tell them great job there.
Instead of, as I said, asking for hand outs raise your charisma and then your defense, btw the #3 attack in the game was 289bil. What that means if you raised your defense to over 600bil in game the chances of you getting attacked where very slim unless a whole alliance was coming after you.
The limited factor on deascension was the fact that you only got 48 turns a day. You all ready have a rank mod in place so why do you need more freebies?
I guess, why not hand out something for being in the top spot if you are going to limit the turns something to balance the fact out that I'm giving up all these turns, maybe how you do Glory and Rep points in main do something with the super weapon damage, make it so that the top rank player cant be hit by anyone with the super weapon that is blow rank 5*+rank like you do in main raiding. That means you can only be affectet by the super weapon in the #1 spot by the 6th ranked person and up.
2nd rank person 12th ranked and up, 3rd rank person 18th and up.
Sense release there was no real reason to be ranked #1 in ascension and it has been asked countless times to change that, perhaps above is the new reason to be, basically the galatic counsle wont let you be attacked by the super weapon by lesser powers.
While being in the top spots you can attack anyone with the super weapon because you have so much power on the galatic counsle.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:09 am
by bryan
make it easier for the little bloke to catch up?
my ascended account is top 100.... all i do to it is login once a day, and train more up and defence. im regularly at 2k turns... i just use them to mass people. i dont farm or anything.
if i can be top 100 logging in once a day with fast ascends behind me, anyone can catch up.
hell ive been on 2 holidays since i ascended. one of them i didnt log into that account for 3 months, and the other was 4 weeks. i had basically nothing after each of those holidays. if i can still be top 100 after that, then anyone can move up the ranks. your just too damn slack and idle to bother
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:20 am
by Sleipnir
Profitteroles wrote:Sleipnir wrote:Excuse me
Consider yourself excused
Thanks
Profitteroles wrote:Sleipnir wrote:AP's were meant as a starting bonus, not the main ascension resource.
If this was the case then it would be a 1 ascension limit and not 10, additional ascensions are there to boost your ascended account when the growth starts slowing down
Nope. Re-ascension was basically put in place to wipe out the top accounts in main that were not wiped out by the first ascension. Too bad it didn't work.
Profitteroles wrote:Sleipnir wrote:and it should be possible to catch up to someone who started off with a fat bonus.
And it is I am proof of that
You're not, a couple of pages back you explained how you used your own fat bonuses to catch up.
Profitteroles wrote:Nope i did it all myself. Since i did my first ascention less 10 months ago all i have done is in main is raid and spend all of my income on raw up to do big ascentions. But i'm sure you will try to find some reason why im doing better than you up there other than hard work and smart choices
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:25 am
by Hensenshi
Sleipnir wrote:You're not, a couple of pages back you explained how you used your own fat bonuses to catch up.
So because he earned his power means that he can't use it to help his ascensions? Talk about logical.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:30 am
by RepliJake
Ok, when ascension came out, we were told, we could ascend, we were also told, that we would then have an account on main and an account on ascension, the main account being a shell of our previous selves, we would then be able to ascend again "to boost our ascended selves" and yes, I am quoting, never was anything mentioned about wiping out the remaining top players, nobody had more than others, we were all able to do exactly the same, some did it differently, main and ascension have always been linked since ascension was released. It's not like the top ascended players were given what they have now, they worked for it in both servers.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:31 am
by Profitteroles
Sleipnir wrote:Profitteroles wrote:Sleipnir wrote:and it should be possible to catch up to someone who started off with a fat bonus.
And it is I am proof of that
You're not, a couple of pages back you explained how you used your own fat bonuses to catch up.
Profitteroles wrote:Nope i did it all myself. Since i did my first ascention less 10 months ago all i have done is in main is raid and spend all of my income on raw up to do big ascentions. But i'm sure you will try to find some reason why im doing better than you up there other than hard work and smart choices
Its kind of a given that when you ascend almost a year after the first did it that you have to go up with more but i still fail to see your point are you saying that what i did was wrong and that infact what i should have done was 1 weak ascention and then just waited for admin to introduce updates, because to me it seams like you're saying that its is wrong to ascend multiple times and its wrong to do big app ascentions. Please explain
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:39 am
by Tyicius
Ascension is a give and take operation. In this case you sacrifice your UP(which has naq poured in) which in turn forces you to sacrifice more UU. So in reality you're just transferring the power from your Main account to your ascended account. It's not an easy task, even for people with big army sizes.
It's a persons choice to do big or small ascension.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:42 am
by Profitteroles
Game Help wrote:ReAscending: This works exactly as ascending does, except instead of getting a new account in the ascended realm, your existing account is 'powered up' and your main account gets additional bonuses. Main account bonuses are 5% per ascension (up to 30%) in each of the normal race stats, a different more powerful weapon set, and a unique technology that can call down your ascended being to assist you in this worldly battles -some of the time.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 6:46 am
by Tyicius
Profitteroles wrote:Game Help wrote:ReAscending: This works exactly as ascending does, except instead of getting a new account in the ascended realm, your existing account is 'powered up' and your main account gets additional bonuses. Main account bonuses are 5% per ascension (up to 30%) in each of the normal race stats, a different more powerful weapon set, and a unique technology that can call down your ascended being to assist you in this worldly battles -some of the time.
You nailed that one
I would toss out cookies but I don't have any
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:57 am
by Neimenljivi
I realy like the update admin, will make us, lower players, able to catch up a bit...only the bad side is we don't get planets from UP...Also I don't think it quite works yet cause it'll take, how much, a day to get one turn change?
of and btw, who's whining now?
~N
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 7:58 am
by Sleipnir
RepliJake wrote:Ok, when ascension came out, we were told, we could ascend, we were also told, that we would then have an account on main and an account on ascension, the main account being a shell of our previous selves, we would then be able to ascend again "to boost our ascended selves" and yes, I am quoting, never was anything mentioned about wiping out the remaining top players, nobody had more than others, we were all able to do exactly the same, some did it differently, main and ascension have always been linked since ascension was released. It's not like the top ascended players were given what they have now, they worked for it in both servers.
Why do you think you have to sacrifice anything in main. If the point was just to have 2 accounts in 2 servers, there would be no need to reset your main account after ascension now would there. The updates say a lot of stuff but they don't reveal the reasoning behind how it was set up. Remember that post where forum said he seriously doubted anyone to re-ascend more than once per year? Do you think he was just trying to be funny? Ascension was made as a goal to compete for, and as a way to circulate the top players in main, so that resets would not be needed. It failed miserably in that second objective.
So you've worked for your ascended account. So have I. Mine is top 100 too so I expect to be on the negative end of the update as well. Even if I worked for my account, that doesn't mean I expect it to stay where it is if I don't keep working on it.
Profitteroles wrote:Its kind of a given that when you ascend almost a year after the first did it that you have to go up with more but i still fail to see your point are you saying that what i did was wrong and that infact what i should have done was 1 weak ascention and then just waited for admin to introduce updates, because to me it seams like you're saying that its is wrong to ascend multiple times and its wrong to do big app ascentions. Please explain
I don't say what you did is wrong. You chose to do big ascensions, and that has given you a good head start in ascension. But a head start doesn't mean you can fall asleep at the wheel and still win. Think mario kart. The one in last place gets the best weapons and a speed boost, to keep the pack closer together and drive up the excitement. The same goes here, you'll get a lot more excitement if you feel the hot breath of the newer players in your neck. By the time they get close to you, the bonus they had will be null and void and you'll be on equal foot. And even with the added turns, they'll still need to do a lot of work to cash them in and catch up to you.
Hensenshi wrote:Sleipnir wrote:You're not, a couple of pages back you explained how you used your own fat bonuses to catch up.
So because he earned his power means that he can't use it to help his ascensions? Talk about logical.
I never said that. But I meant it should be possible to catch up to someone who started off with a fat bonus even if you ascended with the bare minimum, through sheer hard work in ascension, not main. Profi is not an example of that as he claimed.
Posted: Tue Mar 13, 2007 8:10 am
by Profitteroles
Sleipnir wrote:Profitteroles wrote:Sleipnir wrote:and it should be possible to catch up to someone who started off with a fat bonus.
And it is I am proof of that
You're not, a couple of pages back you explained how you used your own fat bonuses to catch up.
So you think it should be possible to catch Mojo rising with his months and months of hard work, trillion upon trillions of naq and millions of uu put into ascending by doing small ascentions over a year later? seriously what planet are you from?
Sleipnir wrote:Hensenshi wrote:Sleipnir wrote:You're not, a couple of pages back you explained how you used your own fat bonuses to catch up.
So because he earned his power means that he can't use it to help his ascensions? Talk about logical.
I never said that. But I meant it should be possible to catch up to someone who started off with a fat bonus even if you ascended with the bare minimum, through sheer hard work in ascension, not main. Profi is not an example of that as he claimed.
Ok then i make over a 1 million planets every 4 days how do you sugest an account that starts today catch me up without doing multiple ascention
The answer is they cant, the only way to do it is big app ascentions which i proved even though you are argueing the fact saying that i didnt do it properly because i used lage amounts of app
