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Posted: Wed Mar 28, 2007 5:59 am
by |ninja|
Tauriman77 wrote:im not CoP, and i have friends on both sides of the war, i just think that if CIA does win this war the leaders of the CIA alliances will be faced with a very tough desicion: stay together and be able to bassically rule over sgw until another group of alliances come and try to nock them off, or they could disband the CIA and go back to being indavidule allinces, i would go back, but i think the majority of ppl would like to rule, wouldnt you say?

How can you second-guess all the CIA leaders like that? Do you know them all personally? Or do you think they're lying when they say that CIA exists purely to make competition for CoP?

There was no plan to form CIA... it just happened. What makes you think it'll continue considering that? Its just a silly suggestion to think that all the CIA leaders are planning to rule SGW when they had no plan to form an alliance in the first place. CIA has no structure... there are no agreements... there is an objective which everyone believes in and that's it... that is the ideal that binds CIA together and without that CIA has no imperative to exist.

And I seriously a doubt a majority of people would like to rule in any case... The people who want to rule are in CoP... they made they're bloc when there was no CIA... there was no reason to make it except to stifle competition and dominate/stagnate.

And now we come back to reality. The reality is, CoP don't want to disband, and CIA don't want to go back to how it was. So we'll just continue farming/raiding each other until we all quit.

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 9:13 am
by Mathlord
The CIA is quite frankly too big to stay together after this war. Right now, it works as people from all these different alliances can band together to mass the CoP, but can you imagine trying to control the actions of probably 500 or more players? It would be chaos.

Some of the alliances had agreements with eachother before the war, some had previously been enemies and might become enemies again one day, but we are all united by the greatest calling in SGW. To fight and win the war to end all wars, or so they and the powers of WW1 say.

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:43 am
by SSG EnterTheLion
Mathlord wrote:The CIA is quite frankly too big to stay together after this war. Right now, it works as people from all these different alliances can band together to mass the CoP, but can you imagine trying to control the actions of probably 500 or more players? It would be chaos.

Some of the alliances had agreements with eachother before the war, some had previously been enemies and might become enemies again one day, but we are all united by the greatest calling in SGW. To fight and win the war to end all wars, or so they and the powers of WW1 say.


I assure you of this..you will NEVER win! As for the CIA becoming a 2nd CoP, highly unlikely. They do not have the leadership, the infrastructure, the will but most importantly the friendship with each other that is needed. It is a huge mistake to assume the CoP stay together for game reasons. It is loyalty and friendship that maintains the CoP..and this war has contributed hugely in that growth.

In every previous war, the CoP leaders talked to each other and the alliances usually did their own thing. but this war we have communicated with the masses. I have gotten to know so many DD/DDE members who now regularly contact me for whatever reason. Even ppl like inferno, who I always felt had anti omegan sentiments, we talk more often and such. We have truly become an enlarged community, in the true spirit of the game.

Are Omega ruthless? Yes we are! But we always go after ppl with a reason. A reason most don't know about but there is always a reason. The EPA have some sort of personal rivalry with us which is a joke. During the last omega/epa war they had access to our forums and there was not one anti epa thread there, yet on their forums there were many anti omegan. I understand why the TA dislike us, why Robe does....

On the war itself, I think the ill feeling has truly reached epic proportions. I personally have lost alot of respect for who I term hypocrites. I won't name names, but in the past they have come running to me and stating things like 'yeah I also believe Extremer cheats', but when it suits them they don't mind allying with someone they believe cheats.

And all this nonsense about propaganda..One can't even post the truth without the other side stating it's propaganda. This may be only a game, but people use your common sense and don't be so naive. Do not condone something just because the person is on your side.

The most amusing thing in this whole war was the boycott. Now really, would there be a single anti cop, anti omega or anti etl thread if this was a biased CoP forum. Everything that the CIA typed contradicted that 'bold' and UNTRUE statement. Would you all be up for a little experiment? Ask the mods to delete every thread that talks negatively about the CoP, Omega or myself. We'll see how much the forum has shrunk after that!

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 10:59 am
by geisha
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Would you all be up for a little experiment? Ask the mods to delete every thread that talks negatively about the CoP, Omega or myself. We'll see how much the forum has shrunk after that!


That's actually a very interesting experiment ;) if we would move them all to an Anti-CoP/Omega/EtL section, I bet this would be the busiest section this forum has ever seen ;)

but wait... then we would have to deal with about 586,000 topics about the mods being biased in SGW General again... *shrug*

Ok, I don't like this experiment at all...

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:14 am
by High Empty
geisha wrote:
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Would you all be up for a little experiment? Ask the mods to delete every thread that talks negatively about the CoP, Omega or myself. We'll see how much the forum has shrunk after that!


That's actually a very interesting experiment ;) if we would move them all to an Anti-CoP/Omega/EtL section, I bet this would be the busiest section this forum has ever seen ;)

but wait... then we would have to deal with about 586,000 topics about the mods being biased in SGW General again... *shrug*

Ok, I don't like this experiment at all...


not bia just truthful, but you would have to deal with the WHAT why does ELT get a section, Why does OMEGA get a section, Why does COP. WHY WHY WHY, why am i noob.

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:21 am
by geisha
High Empty wrote: WHY WHY WHY, why am i noob.


This, my friend is a very good question... but in your case it should be "Why am I the uber n00b?" :-D

Now back on topic... which is "thoughts on the CIA vs. CoP war":

my thoughts? It was about bloody time some alliances finally work together and try to take down CoP after everyone has been whining on the forums for ages... too bad the war didn't end the whining though... and even worse for them that they won't succeed with their cute little evil masterplan...

Personally, I love this war... having no defence and no planets to lose is just great... I actually got some sleep recently ;) So I don't mind if it goes on for a while :P

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:22 am
by LBWMTE- D4rk S1de
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:
Mathlord wrote:The CIA is quite frankly too big to stay together after this war. Right now, it works as people from all these different alliances can band together to mass the CoP, but can you imagine trying to control the actions of probably 500 or more players? It would be chaos.

Some of the alliances had agreements with eachother before the war, some had previously been enemies and might become enemies again one day, but we are all united by the greatest calling in SGW. To fight and win the war to end all wars, or so they and the powers of WW1 say.


I assure you of this..you will NEVER win! As for the CIA becoming a 2nd CoP, highly unlikely. They do not have the leadership, the infrastructure, the will but most importantly the friendship with each other that is needed. It is a huge mistake to assume the CoP stay together for game reasons. It is loyalty and friendship that maintains the CoP..and this war has contributed hugely in that growth.
Friendship, why do people join alliances that aren't the strongest, surely that's not a smart move. What factor isn't taken into account htere is friendship, i know for a fact its why I am in the alliance I am in. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for my friendships I wouldn't be anywhere near capable of joining that alliance- neither would i want to.
In every previous war, the CoP leaders talked to each other and the alliances usually did their own thing. but this war we have communicated with the masses. I have gotten to know so many DD/DDE members who now regularly contact me for whatever reason. Even ppl like inferno, who I always felt had anti omegan sentiments, we talk more often and such. We have truly become an enlarged community, in the true spirit of the game.
So what your saying is you have taken the strong structured chain of command thats worked well for you in the past, and thrown it out the window?
Are Omega ruthless? Yes we are! But we always go after ppl with a reason. A reason most don't know about but there is always a reason.
No, actually I very distinctly remember many of your alliance members coming on the forum, saying "I just massed this person for a laugh"- or my favourite, coming up with a random number generator to pick people to mass at random.
The EPA have some sort of personal rivalry with us which is a joke. During the last omega/epa war they had access to our forums and there was not one anti epa thread there, yet on their forums there were many anti omegan. I understand why the TA dislike us, why Robe does....
Maybe the complete lack of respect you gave to the EPA annoyed us a little, maybe you not valuing your allies at all wears a little thin. EPA goes around things in a different way, they use diplomacy, they value honour highest of anything- Our honour not your "We'll honour our alliance mates, and just be as nasty as possible to anything else"
On the war itself, I think the ill feeling has truly reached epic proportions. I personally have lost alot of respect for who I term hypocrites. I won't name names, but in the past they have come running to me and stating things like 'yeah I also believe Extremer cheats', but when it suits them they don't mind allying with someone they believe cheats.
People who accuse a strong player and then do something hypocrytical. Let's run a little example. A strong player - lets call him JUAN for arguements sake. Well he's really strong, but another player- lets name him EtL- accuses him of cheating becasue EtL can't understand JUAN's strategy. Later on JUAN decides to quit. He sells his UU- which EtL claims are dirty and shouldn't be bought by anyone. But another player in EtL's alliance buys them, does EtL stop these UU being imported into his own alliance to benefit him, does he show any act against openly accepting these? No. Hypocritical, I think so.
And all this nonsense about propaganda..One can't even post the truth without the other side stating it's propaganda. This may be only a game, but people use your common sense and don't be so naive. Do not condone something just because the person is on your side.
Maybe we're not, maybe we, the people in the person who is accused, or person who is talking, alliance have talked to them, because we have talked to them, cos that's what alliance mates do.
The most amusing thing in this whole war was the boycott. Now really, would there be a single anti cop, anti omega or anti etl thread if this was a biased CoP forum. Everything that the CIA typed contradicted that 'bold' and UNTRUE statement. Would you all be up for a little experiment? Ask the mods to delete every thread that talks negatively about the CoP, Omega or myself. We'll see how much the forum has shrunk after that!
The boycott wasn't anti-COP it was because we beleived the forum awards had been woefully mishandled- that was nothing about COP- we were protesting the way the awards were being handled. As for anti-COP threads, we put them in one forum, the size still wont be as big as that massive ego you carry around.

Editted to fix the quoting

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:27 am
by Hells__Angel
LBWMTE- D4rk S1de wrote:
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:
Mathlord wrote:The CIA is quite frankly too big to stay together after this war. Right now, it works as people from all these different alliances can band together to mass the CoP, but can you imagine trying to control the actions of probably 500 or more players? It would be chaos.
It doesn't matter, because the whole idea of the CIA is to not allow the existence of something like COP, they are mutually exclusive.
Some of the alliances had agreements with eachother before the war, some had previously been enemies and might become enemies again one day, but we are all united by the greatest calling in SGW. To fight and win the war to end all wars, or so they and the powers of WW1 say.


I assure you of this..you will NEVER win! As for the CIA becoming a 2nd CoP, highly unlikely. They do not have the leadership, the infrastructure, the will but most importantly the friendship with each other that is needed. It is a huge mistake to assume the CoP stay together for game reasons. It is loyalty and friendship that maintains the CoP..and this war has contributed hugely in that growth.
Friendship, why do people join alliances that aren't the strongest, surely that's not a smart move. What factor isn't taken into account htere is friendship, i know for a fact its why I am in the alliance I am in. As a matter of fact, if it weren't for my friendships I wouldn't be anywhere near capable of joining that alliance- neither would i want to.
In every previous war, the CoP leaders talked to each other and the alliances usually did their own thing. but this war we have communicated with the masses. I have gotten to know so many DD/DDE members who now regularly contact me for whatever reason. Even ppl like inferno, who I always felt had anti omegan sentiments, we talk more often and such. We have truly become an enlarged community, in the true spirit of the game.
So what your saying is you have taken the strong structured chain of command thats worked well for you in the past, and thrown it out the window?
Are Omega ruthless? Yes we are! But we always go after ppl with a reason. A reason most don't know about but there is always a reason.
No, actually I very distinctly remember many of your alliance members coming on the forum, saying "I just massed this person for a laugh"- or my favourite, coming up with a random number generator to pick people to mass at random.
The EPA have some sort of personal rivalry with us which is a joke. During the last omega/epa war they had access to our forums and there was not one anti epa thread there, yet on their forums there were many anti omegan. I understand why the TA dislike us, why Robe does....
Maybe the complete lack of respect you gave to the EPA annoyed us a little, maybe you not valuing your allies at all wears a little thin. EPA goes around things in a different way, they use diplomacy, they value honour highest of anything- Our honour not your "We'll honour our alliance mates, and just be as nasty as possible to anything else"
On the war itself, I think the ill feeling has truly reached epic proportions. I personally have lost alot of respect for who I term hypocrites. I won't name names, but in the past they have come running to me and stating things like 'yeah I also believe Extremer cheats', but when it suits them they don't mind allying with someone they believe cheats.
People who accuse a strong player and then do something hypocrytical. Let's run a little example. A strong player - lets call him JUAN for arguements sake. Well he's really strong, but another player- lets name him EtL- accuses him of cheating becasue EtL can't understand JUAN's strategy. Later on JUAN decides to quit. He sells his UU- which EtL claims are dirty and shouldn't be bought by anyone. But another player in EtL's alliance buys them, does EtL stop these UU being imported into his own alliance to benefit him, does he show any act against openly accepting these? No. Hypocritical, I think so.
And all this nonsense about propaganda..One can't even post the truth without the other side stating it's propaganda. This may be only a game, but people use your common sense and don't be so naive. Do not condone something just because the person is on your side.
Maybe we're not, maybe we, the people in the person who is accused, or person who is talking, alliance have talked to them, because we have talked to them, cos that's what alliance mates do.
The most amusing thing in this whole war was the boycott. Now really, would there be a single anti cop, anti omega or anti etl thread if this was a biased CoP forum. Everything that the CIA typed contradicted that 'bold' and UNTRUE statement. Would you all be up for a little experiment? Ask the mods to delete every thread that talks negatively about the CoP, Omega or myself. We'll see how much the forum has shrunk after that!
The boycott wasn't anti-COP it was because we beleived the forum awards had been woefully mishandled- that was nothing about COP- we were protesting the way the awards were being handled. As for anti-COP threads, we put them in one forum, the size still wont be as big as that massive ego you carry around.


*Scratches his head*

Your from CIA right. Well I guess you just proved ETL and geisha's point.

I agree with you though geisha, I am enjoying the state of my account at the moment.

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:30 am
by LBWMTE- D4rk S1de
If he says "The enemy are going to argue with me" and I prove him right, I have no problem with that, what the heck do you think the enemy are going to do? Duh!

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:34 am
by Hells__Angel
I have no problem that you have no problem with that.

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 11:52 am
by Alabrax
Hells__Angel wrote:I have no problem that you have no problem with that.


Lets all hug :-D

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:25 pm
by generaloneill
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:Ask the mods to delete every thread that talks negatively about the CoP, Omega or myself. We'll see how much the forum has shrunk after that!


http://www.crusher-land.com/sgw/lobby/i ... 2007-03-24

search the page for anti cop

You seem to find it funny. Perhaps you are a little biased?

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:38 pm
by Brdavs
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:
I assure you of this..you will NEVER win! As for the CIA becoming a 2nd CoP, highly unlikely. They do not have the leadership, the infrastructure, the will but most importantly the friendship with each other that is needed. It is a huge mistake to assume the CoP stay together for game reasons. It is loyalty and friendship that maintains the CoP..and this war has contributed hugely in that growth.



2 quck comments on this all but standardised speech. Standard answers for standard points heh...

1) Are your egoes really that big you actually believe you monopolize all the skill, leadership and friendship of this game? Nvm, why am I asking, the cheerleding brigade droped in 2 posts later calling ppl "noobs", what more do I need heh. As they say: "Loyalties are forged. Betrayals are wrought." This war is forging mighty CIA steel indeed lol. If calling names helps yo deal with it, fine.
You assume much and assumptions (as they also say) is the mother of all feckups. The assumption of your vast superiority is currently biting you in the rear.

2) As I recall GA was once a merry band maintained by loyalty and friendship, and that turned out great... It allways makes me chuckle when you bring up neverending friendship and loyalty till the end as your rock solid base. Considering the track record lol...

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:46 pm
by generaloneill
SSG EnterTheLion wrote:
Mathlord wrote:The CIA is quite frankly too big to stay together after this war. Right now, it works as people from all these different alliances can band together to mass the CoP, but can you imagine trying to control the actions of probably 500 or more players? It would be chaos.

Some of the alliances had agreements with eachother before the war, some had previously been enemies and might become enemies again one day, but we are all united by the greatest calling in SGW. To fight and win the war to end all wars, or so they and the powers of WW1 say.


I assure you of this..you will NEVER win! As for the CIA becoming a 2nd CoP, highly unlikely. They do not have the leadership, the infrastructure, the will but most importantly the friendship with each other that is needed. It is a huge mistake to assume the CoP stay together for game reasons. It is loyalty and friendship that maintains the CoP..and this war has contributed hugely in that growth.

In every previous war, the CoP leaders talked to each other and the alliances usually did their own thing. but this war we have communicated with the masses. I have gotten to know so many DD/DDE members who now regularly contact me for whatever reason. Even ppl like inferno, who I always felt had anti omegan sentiments, we talk more often and such. We have truly become an enlarged community, in the true spirit of the game.

Are Omega ruthless? Yes we are! But we always go after ppl with a reason. A reason most don't know about but there is always a reason. The EPA have some sort of personal rivalry with us which is a joke. During the last omega/epa war they had access to our forums and there was not one anti epa thread there, yet on their forums there were many anti omegan. I understand why the TA dislike us, why Robe does....

On the war itself, I think the ill feeling has truly reached epic proportions. I personally have lost alot of respect for who I term hypocrites. I won't name names, but in the past they have come running to me and stating things like 'yeah I also believe Extremer cheats', but when it suits them they don't mind allying with someone they believe cheats.

And all this nonsense about propaganda..One can't even post the truth without the other side stating it's propaganda. This may be only a game, but people use your common sense and don't be so naive. Do not condone something just because the person is on your side.

The most amusing thing in this whole war was the boycott. Now really, would there be a single anti cop, anti omega or anti etl thread if this was a biased CoP forum. Everything that the CIA typed contradicted that 'bold' and UNTRUE statement. Would you all be up for a little experiment? Ask the mods to delete every thread that talks negatively about the CoP, Omega or myself. We'll see how much the forum has shrunk after that!


we may not win, but we promise you one thing. A very long drawn out war. We are prepared to keep farming and raiding your accounts for a year if we have to, but we will not surrender. I know you will never surrender either, which is why I am confident of a very long war. Only difference is your arrogance assumes we will surrender, we shall see xxxx.

MOD EDIT: Only people who know me may address me in a personal way..and you my dear fellow don't!

NP shaitan, sorry.

Posted: Fri Mar 30, 2007 12:51 pm
by evilhomer
generaloneill wrote:
http://www.crusher-land.com/sgw/lobby/i ... 2007-03-24

search the page for anti cop

You seem to find it funny. Perhaps you are a little biased?


Dude, you owe me 10 mins of my life back. That was pointless.