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Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:46 am
by Juliette
dastupy wrote:why is this moved??
Wolf 359 wrote:How many times do I have to say it? SGW General is for game related stuff only. This topic is not game related - but specifically related to the forum - and therefore it belongs in the forum section!
That's why.

Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:48 am
by Nimras
Rev. Auriel Daniels wrote:dastupy wrote:why is this moved??
Wolf 359 wrote:How many times do I have to say it? SGW General is for game related stuff only. This topic is not game related - but specifically related to the forum - and therefore it belongs in the forum section!
That's why.

Yes but sadly there is a reason it was allowed to stay in General now if it should be moved get in contact with me first or a admin.
Nimras.
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 4:53 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
Jack wrote:I've always had such a hardline stance against morons. It's nothing new, and I see no reason to change just because I'm a mod. If he had a legitimate concern I'd happily listen to him, but he doesn't.
I also didn't tell him to leave because he disagreed with me, or even what he said, I told him to leave if he thought that the forums were in such a irreparable shape.
Azarak wrote:I dont visit these forums anymore noob jack other than when someone brings a post to my attention which is what they did in regards to this one.
Oh so basically you're just a loser with nothing better to do then **Filtered** on some forum you don't even visit.
Yet another insults... nice, very nice, Jack. I must say you've grown balls with size of mellons since you got into mod team as supermod, just because Smoooooshable favoured you in.
Teal'auc
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:07 am
by GeneralChaos
No doubt 5 mins after this is posted the mods will jump on in defense,
Fact is smoosh hasnt got a dam clue what the hell is own team is doing, and he also doesnt have what it takes to control them either,
As much as i dislike FS in some of his mod decisions, him and tealauc where probably 2 of the most active on the forums, and smoosh removed them, i find it completely laughable that you promoted Dadigi when he openly said on TEAMSPEAK he was comparing the IP addresses of users on there to forum IP addresses to find out who they are, complete abuse of mod rights, but hey what does smoosh care, hes got his head so far up his own ass he cant see whats happening right infront of him,
Your restructure hahaha, more like the people that suck up to you the most get what they want, screw the rest, coma girl a mod, dadigi a mod, jack a mod ( like WTH, did he actually do anything to deserve this, he makes more spam than anyone else )
Smoosh knew about that April fools thing, hence why he didnt log in over April fools ( im sure all his mod buddies and aussie buddies will jump to his defense here ) but he knew it was going down, and then sat back let the train wreck happen they deny all knowledge, he needs to be removed, hes as corrupt as some of the other mods.
LOL and you wonder why the community hates mods.
Here's a pre-warning, im going into a coma tomorrow, im going to make a new forum account pretending to be my cousin whos logging in from hospital, im going to have them make a game account so you can send resources to it, im then going to spam the forums with countless crap over and over, get banned make a new account lie about who i am, OH CAN I BE A MOD.
Fact, you cant have a good mod team when 1 of the admins sucks and makes all the wrong decisions.
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:08 am
by Wolf359
Right.....
A number of people have asked me for my viewpoint on all of this, and others regarding the mod/admin team. For the record - here it is.....
I have no idea of the real reason for Teal'auc & Freespirit's dismissal from the team, other than it is allegedly for 'restructuring' - it may just be mere coincidence that Teal'auc and FS have been pretty vocal in some mod/admin issues at the moment - but then again, so was I! If restructuring is the reason, then it seems equally odd, rather than discussing restructuring, to sack 2 supermods competely, and bring in 2 new ones - one of whom has NO modding experience whatsoever in this forum - it does not help that the questions and points I raise regarding these matters go ignored/unanswered; which brings me nicely onto the other things people have been asking me about.....
Smooshable & Tok'ra - I do not know for certain whether smoosh has been talking to Tok'ra or not regarding information within the mod forum. I knwo it has been claimed by Tok'ra, and that other people within the community have approached me with info/'evidence' regarding it - but I cannot, with what I have seen, be 100% sure.
Yes, I am deeply concerned about things in the forum and mod/admin team of late - which all boils down mainly to a lack of communication and decisions being made without prior discussion beforehand, which was always the case previously; namely:
1. Implementation of some aspects of how the forum is run based on the voting opinion of the community, whilst then going on to disregard the community opinion (based on an assumption) for other aspects. Issues that would not have occurred had proper discussion in the mod team taken place.
2. Appointment/Dismissal of mod members without good reason/justification - Although I have nothing against Jack, I am opposed as to the way he was appointed a supermod. I say this because the appointment occurred shortly following a discussion regarding promotion of another mod to super - which was decided against because it was viewed there was no need for any more supermods (too many chiefs, not enough indians - to coin a phrase!). There was no formal discussion regarding Jack being appointed a supermod - and there is no justification for the appointment, based on the fact he has no time served as a forum mod, and the supermods/admins had recently collectively decided that no more supers were needed (particularly since buck has also recently re-assumed his duties).
Similarly, I have not really seen any real justification for the dismissal of Teal'auc and Freespirit, other than what appears to be an 'off-the-cuff' comment - and I have to say that if the dismissals were coming anyway, then the timing couldn't have been any worse!
My personal opinion is that the forums are pretty much in a bad state these days - and that certain things that have occurred do not help when it comes to trying to make them easier to run.
It is not my intent here to fling mud in any one direction - the people I have issues with know who they are, just as well as they know that I don't simply bring these points up for the benefit of my health and nor will I simply stop bringing them up if they go ignored in the hope I'll go away - but since so much of it seems to be in the public domian anyway, due to recent threads, and the fact that many of you have asked me about it - I thought it correct to state my view.
What I want is for the problems to be fixed and for the mods to be supported, rather than undermined (whether intentionally or not), but that can only be achieved if the right people start talking to, and involving, each other.
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:09 am
by MajorLeeHurts
Jack wrote:Teal'auc of the Tok'ra wrote:Jack wrote:If you think these forums are so pathetic, Azarak then why don't you just **Filtered** off?
Good opinion of the mod... instead of improving them you tell to user to GTHO..? Good! New moderator standard, I see! Or it's another cause 'You have diff opinion than me, so GTHO...? Hmmmmmm.....
Teal'auc
I've always had such a hardline stance against morons. It's nothing new, and I see no reason to change just because I'm a mod. If he had a legitimate concern I'd happily listen to him, but he doesn't.
I also didn't tell him to leave because he disagreed with me, or even what he said, I told him to leave if he thought that the forums were in such a irreparable shape.
Azarak wrote:I dont visit these forums anymore noob jack other than when someone brings a post to my attention which is what they did in regards to this one.
Oh so basically you're just a loser with nothing better to do then **Filtered** on some forum you don't even visit.
Jack, regardless of how you have acted in the past , your comments here are unprofessional, unwarranted and unbecoming from someone who is expected to lead by example. People look to you (now) and the mods to set standards for behavior. You especially now need to sensor your self and think before you post. I am disappointed that you would be so reactionary when now if any you should be proactive, by being a good example instead of being the perfect example of the abuse of power and antagonism that has brought us all to this place.
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:10 am
by Nimras
GeneralChaos wrote:No doubt 5 mins after this is posted the mods will jump on in defense,
Fact is smoosh hasnt got a dam clue what the hell is own team is doing, and he also doesnt have what it takes to control them either,
As much as i dislike FS in some of his mod decisions, him and tealauc where probably 2 of the most active on the forums, and smoosh removed them, i find it completely laughable that you promoted Dadigi when he openly said on TEAMSPEAK he was comparing the IP addresses of users on there to forum IP addresses to find out who they are, complete abuse of mod rights, but hey what does smoosh care, hes got his head so far up his own ass he cant see whats happening right infront of him,
Your restructure hahaha, more like the people that suck up to you the most get what they want, screw the rest, coma girl a mod, dadigi a mod, jack a mod ( like WTH, did he actually do anything to deserve this, he makes more spam than anyone else )
Smoosh knew about that April fools thing, hence why he didnt log in over April fools ( im sure all his mod buddies and aussie buddies will jump to his defense here ) but he knew it was going down, and then sat back let the train wreck happen they deny all knowledge, he needs to be removed, hes as corrupt as some of the other mods.
LOL and you wonder why the community hates mods.
Here's a pre-warning, im going into a coma tomorrow, im going to make a new forum account pretending to be my cousin whos logging in from hospital, im going to have them make a game account so you can send resources to it, im then going to spam the forums with countless crap over and over, get banned make a new account lie about who i am, OH CAN I BE A MOD.
Fact, you cant have a good mod team when 1 of the admins sucks and makes all the wrong decisions.
Even tho you and i dont agree in the war thread or ingame i agree on most of what you say this one post.
And for mods talking on this one i can even give you a list because it is easy to know who

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Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:12 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
Some of the 'vocal' mods were not removed from political reasons. Smoosh knows it would be his 'forum suicide' if he removed all who oppose him at the same time. He would certainly make a good politician... but not somebody who's supposed to look after the community AND mod team. He failed to find balance between working with community and mod team.
Teal'auc
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:13 am
by Nimras
Wolf359 wrote:Right.....
A number of people have asked me for my viewpoint on all of this, and others regarding the mod/admin team. For the record - here it is.....
I have no idea of the real reason for Teal'auc & Freespirit's dismissal from the team, other than it is allegedly for 'restructuring' - it may just be mere coincidence that Teal'auc and FS have been pretty vocal in some mod/admin issues at the moment - but then again, so was I! If restructuring is the reason, then it seems equally odd, rather than discussing restructuring, to sack 2 supermods competely, and bring in 2 new ones - one of whom has NO modding experience whatsoever in this forum - it does not help that the questions and points I raise regarding these matters go ignored/unanswered; which brings me nicely onto the other things people have been asking me about.....
Smooshable & Tok'ra - I do not know for certain whether smoosh has been talking to Tok'ra or not regarding information within the mod forum. I knwo it has been claimed by Tok'ra, and that other people within the community have approached me with info/'evidence' regarding it - but I cannot, with what I have seen, be 100% sure.
Yes, I am deeply concerned about things in the forum and mod/admin team of late - which all boils down mainly to a lack of communication and decisions being made without prior discussion beforehand, which was always the case previously; namely:
1. Implementation of some aspects of how the forum is run based on the voting opinion of the community, whilst then going on to disregard the community opinion (based on an assumption) for other aspects. Issues that would not have occurred had proper discussion in the mod team taken place.
2. Appointment/Dismissal of mod members without good reason/justification - Although I have nothing against Jack, I am opposed as to the way he was appointed a supermod. I say this because the appointment occurred shortly following a discussion regarding promotion of another mod to super - which was decided against because it was viewed there was no need for any more supermods (too many chiefs, not enough indians - to coin a phrase!). There was no formal discussion regarding Jack being appointed a supermod - and there is no justification for the appointment, based on the fact he has no time served as a forum mod, and the supermods/admins had recently collectively decided that no more supers were needed (particularly since buck has also recently re-assumed his duties).
Similarly, I have not really seen any real justification for the dismissal of Teal'auc and Freespirit, other than what appears to be an 'off-the-cuff' comment - and I have to say that if the dismissals were coming anyway, then the timing couldn't have been any worse!
My personal opinion is that the forums are pretty much in a bad state these days - and that certain things that have occurred do not help when it comes to trying to make them easier to run.
It is not my intent here to fling mud in any one direction - the people I have issues with know who they are, just as well as they know that I don't simply bring these points up for the benefit of my health and nor will I simply stop bringing them up if they go ignored in the hope I'll go away - but since so much of it seems to be in the public domian anyway, due to recent threads, and the fact that many of you have asked me about it - I thought it correct to state my view.
What I want is for the problems to be fixed and for the mods to be supported, rather than undermined (whether intentionally or not), but that can only be achieved if the right people start talking to, and involving, each other.
Well said cant be said better and i agree 100% on this one.
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:15 am
by Wolf359
Nimras wrote:Rev. Auriel Daniels wrote:dastupy wrote:why is this moved??
Wolf 359 wrote:How many times do I have to say it? SGW General is for game related stuff only. This topic is not game related - but specifically related to the forum - and therefore it belongs in the forum section!
That's why.

Yes but sadly there is a reason it was allowed to stay in General now if it should be moved get in contact with me first or a admin.
Nimras.
This again highlights another problem - in that some members of the mod admin team are inconsistent with their approach to things.
If SGW General is for 'general ingame discussion' (the clue is in the 'ingame' bit), and the forum specific issues section is for 'forum and mod issues', then pray tell, why is this in General - it does not have ANYTHING to do with ingame events.
Sometimes, parts of the mod/admin team make a rod for their own back!
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:20 am
by Nimras
Wolf359 wrote:Nimras wrote:Rev. Auriel Daniels wrote:dastupy wrote:why is this moved??
Wolf 359 wrote:How many times do I have to say it? SGW General is for game related stuff only. This topic is not game related - but specifically related to the forum - and therefore it belongs in the forum section!
That's why.

Yes but sadly there is a reason it was allowed to stay in General now if it should be moved get in contact with me first or a admin.
Nimras.
This again highlights another problem - in that some members of the mod admin team are inconsistent with their approach to things.
If SGW General is for 'general ingame discussion' (the clue is in the 'ingame' bit), and the forum specific issues section is for 'forum and mod issues', then pray tell, why is this in General - it does not have ANYTHING to do with ingame events.
Sometimes, parts of the mod/admin team make a rod for their own back!
I agree it dont belong here.
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:33 am
by MajorLeeHurts
I'm not here to lead, I'm here to police, and if people were to start acting like me(IE grow some **Filtered** skin) then the world would be a better, yet more sarcastic, place.
If you cant accomplish your goals with out being abusive , implying foul language then I question weather you have the level of maturity to be in the position to police anyone. You are not above reproach and you by virtue of your " being yourself " open your self up to criticism's and the questioning of your appointment , that from what I can see at this point in your reign as supermod are warranted.
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:35 am
by Teal'auc of the Void
MajorLeeHurts wrote:If you cant accomplish your goals with out being abusive , implying foul language then I question weather you have the level of maturity to be in the position to police anyone. You are not above reproach and you by virtue of your " being yourself " open your self up to criticism's and the questioning of your appointment , that from what I can see at this point in your reign as supermod are warranted.
Quoted for truth...
Teal'auc
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:38 am
by homer1475
Ok heres my 2 cents ...not that it will matter.
i agree completely with wolf.
It is my understanding that we have 2 admins for a reason, so not 1 person has absolute power. Yet smoosh goes and fires 2 supermods just because he can(he claims its restructuring, yet no one on the mod team is even aware of this restructure) im almost certain that something like this should be a joint desicion between the 2 admins(for those of u who dont know baszy(sorry if i spelled that wrong, i allways forget if its szy or zsy :s)is the PERSONELL admin and smoosh is GENERAL admin) the idea being is they would have to come to a joint desision on removing or adding mods and such. I dont pretend to know everything thats going on since i tend to shun the forums since there 90% crap(in my opinion to wich im entitled), but i am a mod and i do read the mod sections. Theres absolutely nothing there about this restructure and if there was a restructure wouldnt it be discussed in the weekly mod meetings on irc before firing anyone?
Secondly:
i have recently had an msn convo with smoosh over somthing that was posted in the mod section. I as irc and Teamspeak admin know there are some desicions that need to be made that dont need approval from "the team", its the job of the admin to make these hard desicions. i respect smoosh as he is the admin and he(as far as i know) does likewise. personally i cant stand him, but thats personal. I have enough respect to post respectively and not to spread crap about him, I in turn demand the same respect and get it from him. back to the point at hand though, on msn i simply stated " you are not the all mighty god u think u are" to wich he replied "let me reiterate YES I AM"( i dont have msn logs as i just contracted a msn virus and had to unistall everything msn related) but thats the general jist of it. we spoke a while about being admin and the job in gemneral and thought we had coem to an understanding that he wasnt and could be replaced at any time. It seems i was wrong.
There have been some recent accusations about tokra this and tokra that ..... to this i add TOKRA IS BANNED AND WOULD LIE TO HIS OWN MOTHER TO DEFEND HIS POSITIONS
why is anyone even listening to him?
my last point....
jack u have had a right go at me for not miodding myself on irc and abusing my admin power... I see u do the same in this thread.. sit back relax think about what u want to post before going off half cocked and posting crap like u have been.. to simply state if u dont like the forums the GTHO is wrong ....without the users u are telling to GTHO u wouldnt even be a mod... again sit back relax and THINK before u post.
again only my 2 cents... read understand then reread... then complain if u wish....
Re: just curious...
Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2008 5:45 am
by weilandsmith

do you mods really want to air your dirty laundry in public? you people have lost all sense. people look up to you here in the forums and you show them how to act by bashing each other publicly. if you're gonna bash one another, do it by PM or use the MOD forums.
and jack, here's one more person who doesn't agree with the way you treat people.