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Legendary Apophis wrote:

Mr Mystake wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:Some people have wrong sense of humour...that's what make ebaumsworld and strangecosmos alive. All the evilness of "humour sense". And also all those "fun vids" you see on tv footages about people falling off their bike or falling off various things and getting hurt and others recorded laughs on background, at victims' hurt.

do you follow elladan around like a lap dog or is it just coincidence?

Do you always try to get attention like saying Slovenian commands are cheats (with zero proves ofc, just coz you at war with them) or post multiple topics saying "post count +1" on temple or something?

viewtopic.php?f=85&t=118374

Thanks a mod merged it

Yea with respected SC alliance saying they are cheats you made a mystake!!

EDIT: seeing how you treated one of your friends on some topics, I'm NOT surprisde you FAIL to see what means "friend support" and accuse me of being a lapdog. Not surprising at ALL I might say Since friends aren't to be supported afterall, isn't it? Or was it just another mystake of yours?

The O-Neill wrote:Wow misinformation at it's best

Talk about an ant issue trying to be solved with an atomic bomb.

Guess this is another campaign of, fight the battle via pen rather than swords. Interesting that FUALL or it's past predecessors used to never have to worry about this sort of stuff. I take it as progress that you all feel obligated to expand your gameplan during wars. I found it quite amazing how many people will outright say this is the way they feel they need to go about this war, rather than regular old smash mouth destruction.

FUALL wanted this, FUALL started this, FUALL got this, and now FUALL is trying to cry foul that we started it, that we were at fault, that this or that happened, etc. Reap what we sow. Make your bed, now you have to lie in it.

Kind of like blaming somebody you rear ended that it's their fault because they hit their brakes. Pretty much backwards.

Sorry, the sgw public won't buy it, they can read through this attempt to spin the truth into something that favors FUALL by bashing TJP for something irrelevant to how this war began.

Be careful though, all this propaganda is on the record, and each time something is spun here, something is spun there, in time you won't come out with a 'blanket' of an idea that can be tucked in around the sgw public.

People will instead see through these attempts, and one should ask, why are they even attempting to change the issue? In time, after all these exaggerations, and falsehoods play itself out FUALL risks people looking at them as the 'boy who cried wolf'. As people who keep shaping the truth around them incorrectly as to appear incompetent.

Then they'll remember who started it, and it was FUALL.

The SGW public is smarter than this. They can see who is trying to shift their perceptions away from what has been the reality of the past 3+ years. All you need to have been is not be in FUALL/CoP/GA or the small select group of friends they halfway treated decently over the recent past.

Screenshots can show all they want, even if they show exactly what you say they technically show, it doesn't change the fact that your interpretation of them based on the facts of history; means the attempt to shape the truth into something else, is just that, shaping it into something else other than the truth.

This is a tactic by FUALL, to sway the sgw public perception on FUALL. Problem is, you've affected (which also shows you guys can play) people negatively for a long, long time. People remember.

First impressions are generally right, and it takes 10x of the opposite to undo it. Well so far FUALL, comprised of what it currently is comprised of, as well as what it used to be in other forms, hasn't from a karma perspective paid back to the community even 5 percent of what it's taken, even with the additional outreaches over the past roughly year. That 5 percent is with a select few who were targeted to be their neutral buddies, in a pretty good idea that in the event of another server war, someone would have their backs on the forums and maybe in the war if needed.

You'll find that most in TJP aren't bullies. When this war is over, like all others, this will continue to be the case. I wonder when this war is over, if ever, if the heart of FUALL would principally be the same as what they were before it. Yep. The SGW would return to the status quo of FUALL tactics, tactics that led to the creation of such alliances as CIA and TJP.

Keep on trying, but no one will be buying. You guys haven't changed.

TJP and CIA were only reactionary to FUALL and predecessor actions against us. Actions which have in time over the past years have created strong bonds of opposition to FUALL.

If one remembers, we stated UNILATERALLY that when the CIA/CoP war was over, we'd disband our group. We stated, if another CoP was formed, we'd get back together, and we did just that.

No FUALL, No TJP
No CoP, No CIA

Even now after claims of indifference from FUALL, one only needs to look at our respective foundations to see to the truth. With a name like FUALL, I think people can read between the lines and figure out whose foundation serves what purpose. It's not F U CIA, or F U TJP, it's F U "ALL". The server can quite easily see through such spin to show that TJP is somehow just like FUALL, or how FUALL are magically somehow not as aggressive towards others as TJP.

I have no problem in having the SGW public see both sides as they are, through past and current actions. They tend to foretell the future. We knew there would be another big server war, we knew the remnants of CoP would reform and return to their norm, except with a twist of having a few outside friends and adapting your gameplay to ensure that at least somebody that was outside of the war would have positive things to say.

Anybody that pretends that FUALL is not the aggressor it's always been is kidding themselves. Anybody that pretends that a FUALL victory would bring out a kinder, gentler, fairer, FUALL is kidding themselves.

The older guard remember exactly how this game was like when those that comprise FUALL were in control of the server. It wasn't pretty, it was anything but fair, and lots of abuse on sgw members went unchecked, that is until a few of us formed up out of a need for survival, not a need to plunder.

Good thing there is no chance of a FUALL victory happening anytime soon, but the sgw public only needs to see how FUALL treated what many would claim as the only other collective equal to them....they launch a surprise attack against us, merely a couple of weeks after incorporating TJP into a NAP with FUALL as an extension to the FUALL and TLE nap.

Guess what happens to the next group that would stand against these guys/gals if the situation repeats itself? Shocker...the same thing. Don't you believe otherwise. If you do, you'll deserve exactly what you'll be sure to get.

FUALL broke the nap, any FUALL member that believes otherwise is kidding themselves. Who launched the attack? FUALL, nuff said.

(and besides that, if anyone wants to point to a single naq hit as to breaking of a NAP is seriously having a case of pick and choose, as attacks during the NAP were happening. Any of which if we went down the technical route, is a breaking of the nap....most people with common sense would realize that a single naq hit isn't a full fledged break of a nap unless that side who did it refused to pay it back....it's quite clear when you launch an attack of destroying our stats on over 300 accounts...YOU are the ones breaking the nap and launching the war....let's not be revisionist historians here)

I'm not writing this to say, lets be revisionist, my post is saying, don't let the revisionists alter history into a bunch of falsehoods. TJP isn't here to dominate the server, and nothing will change that. No alliance is perfect, but I think people can delineate the difference between a group of people that do x amount of things considered a negative action on the game and FUALL who have tended to do 10x it (at the very least).

Smear TJP all you want. If we're the proverbial toilet paper jokes, it'll be FUALL excrement you'll be smearing around.

I'm content with our place in SGW history, and know how we conduct ourselves. One need only look around to the thousands of 'in your face' posts bragging about bullying, and not caring, et cetera, to see what is at the core of FUALL.

You can lie to yourselves about what's at your SGW core, but you can't lie to us. TJP in no way, shape, or form....in the sense laid out here....can even compete with FUALL in this respect. You guys truly are kings at that, I'll give you that. Full of great players, but whose egos have let them stray too far from the path far too many times.

TJP is full of players who have felt the ramifications of you guys 'straying to far', full of players who joined up to counter a group if it dared to 'stray too far' against us, and full of players who were victims of 'straying to far', when FUALL launched it's attack on us.

The past month has just been the beginning stages of our retribution for such straying. No end in sight, no desire for it to end. We could care less if we have 0 defenses, have 0 stats, be page 10 in alliance rankings, et cetera. We aren't fighting for our egos. But we are fighting those that are...and doing pretty well considering the first strike advantage went to FUALL.

The one thing I'm not sure about this topic...was it made solely to try to sway the sgw public into preceiving FUALL incorrectly into another light as compared to TJP, or to sway your own inside FUALL to lessen the internal pressure?

Probably both, and my guess is no matter which side of the fence you are on, or in a completely different yard, the same conclusions will be met.

Since I doubt most neutral will buy what you guys are selling, I have a hard time believing that FUALL members will. Deep down inside they know the truth, and if they look at the turning points of what brought us here, they can not legitimately, competently say they believe otherwise...although that doesn't mean it'll be said so publicly by such members as I'm sure they have respect, but I'm also sure alot of current and former FUALL members correctly know who started it, and knows nothing about blahh will change that as it's on FUALL itself that they are indeed where they are (or were). FUALL made the decisions based on their own egos to start this war. Blahh and TLE didn't preempt that. The war started along time ago from your perspective, it just didn't involve fighting until mid-may.

Good luck to all, I don't plan on posting alot, would rather be fighting our aggressors. But I hadn't made an appearance for awhile, so thought this would be a good time to. Personally this is a fun war, good to have strong adversaries in a fight, and I've already been to the puppet show, and seen the strings. I won't blame the puppeteer for having the strings, I'll just enjoy the show and make sure if the puppeteer claims there aren't strings to the crowd watching, that there indeed are strings. Other than that, the game is just the game, and we all know it and our adversaries far too well.

Remember old proverbs, Pride goeth before a F(U)ALL

edit b4 posting: hacking is a no-no. the sgw public surely can see what's wrong if FUALL is claiming one thing, or that TJP is so bad, etc, when hacking comes into play in the same discussion, and FUALL's side claims it's fair. Again anybody realize what TJP is fighting for? So that as a community, we aren't in a position where it seems appropriate to hack. Where any mention of hacking has repercussions, idealistic, sure, but without ideals, you obviously have this.

Also those that state 10 things, some of which are nice, and others which aren't, then pick out the good things, forget the bad, and claim to be a saint...but not in those words, is exactly the type of twisting mentality that goes on. Spin, spin, spin, I'd think you guys be dizzy by now.

Finally on the edit, what I see is one person being trashed, and somehow that is supposed to lower all of TJP..because one person did something that all of you would consider nothing in your daily dealings, that was a response to what we knew about FUALL? funny.

Facts about what? nothing important? A big hub bub to prove what? nothing? nothing at all considering the context of FUALL preparing for this war. What's disputable is how much you gained in this trashing, nothing, yet it did serve as an opportunity for the sgw public to read exactly how you'll go about in your misinformation, making it easier to spot it in the future. Hope it was worth it, as i'm sure the sgw public and internally in FUALL can see this was a big damaging thing they hope for. *sarcastic*

Nice to know when this blows over, or if more is planned, the war will continue as it has been, and anyone that builds a defense can expect it to be thrashed, nothing will change. I think you guys are too good of players to be desperate, but if I hadn't played this game long enough I might think just that.

Personally this is how I roll, if I don't get it, I want my mates to get it. Given the context of 'when the time comes', farming for an acceptable amount before FUALL did, didn't just reduce how much you had stored, but increased collectively what we did. If any TA members were hit when they had alot of naq out to circumvent the nap but to provide funds to help fight this fight, it's A-OK with me. No wedge issue here. I fully support TLE.

Here I thought for a second you guys really had something juicy, again just farming requests to ready for this war...which had already been put into motion and confirmed on your side long before.

Everyone knew that if not before the end of the nap, right at the end or within 2 weeks after, we'd be at war. It was pretty obvious from your FUALL's side. TBH we in the TA were shocked you included us knowing how far down the road FUALL was from being at war.

As for thinking if he left it would start the war, ofc, that's an accurate interpretation of how we would perceive you all would see it. You guys have said the same thing many times, I don't see how someone saying that's how they think you'll think is an indication of anything other than that. Especially again when beyond other things it was obvious from our end that FUALL was preparing.

In halfway jesting manner teal'auc was mentioned. Some people have bad relations, it's only natural that if bad relations are there, that they'd be mentioned...that said mayhem had an opportunity, and I would say it show TJP mettle when sometimes people with disagreements can push those aside for the greater good. Besides mayhem had some people in TJP a bit po'ed, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Teal'auc happened to be that particular individual's 1st person to think of when it came to mayhem, and for what Mayhem did, it's quite understandable. Although I can understand some small portion of their side, there were ways to solve it, but they decided to go another route. The funny thing is that the whole time TAF fought Mayhem in a really good war, we knew what was supposed to happen after, and genuinely looked forward to it. Just a mess of what happened, and I guess I can feel for somebody who is thinking on the two fronts, respect and survival. Except things could've gone a much different route if they so chose. But not much effort was for that on their side. Oh well, no biggie, I still respect them as warriors, as not everything can work out the way things are intended...mayhem on this note is one of those things...it just didn't turn out that way.

I also see that they tried to talk him out, and speculated on what it could mean in a worst case, or near worst case scenario. Because we're not gods intent on bullying everyone, we acknowledge that good and bad things can happen, and thus speculating on them is quite normal. I don't see any weakness for them saying things in the fashion they did about the ramifications of blahh leaving, if anything I believe it's always necessary to frame the issue, and locate each corner of the frame. Covering all the bases is a good thing, not bad thing.

I think we are big enough within TJP and within our respective alliance to understand putting an account name to a situation for reference purposes. Ideally it may have come out wrong, but overall the intent wasn't to defame, but to make a co-relation, and one must remember the context of it being in an hc setting, thus you don't have to filter your words like you are preparing them for say....the SGW forum where all can see, judge, and it's many of people's purpose to flame, but a secret section where discussion are made to get stuff done inter-alliance. Any sensible person can understand that.

As for a leader leaving and people following..sure...that would always happen. FUALL alliances have been prepared for leadership/tag ownership changes. It's understandable to think worst case scenario if an ownership changed suddenly and without warning. Many of alliances have been ruined when their leader leaves, I bet at some point in time whether past or present members of FUALL would leave, varying on the time past or present would alter to what degree...people would leave. But without a doubt people WOULD leave...even if just 1 additional person. No problem there, if anything I'd point to SGW game situation as a whole, as an ongoing entity, prompted one to bring out the elevated levels of doomspeak. Wow I'm writing this as I read, and funny that I see like minded TLE people saying the same things, I say doomspeak, they say doomsday...amazing. Great minds think alike.

We'd be fools to think, hey...someone from FUALL is breaking off and starting their own alliance....they'll go against them, and with US!!!!! NO ofc not, anyone would want the low down on a new group. Far too many times we've seen 'neutrality' be used as a way to fund. I've seen it happen in many wars, and have seen it used in wars against TAF. Sometimes it's not even forming alliance, sometimes it's just leaving an alliance. No one could expect people to NOT bring them up and try to figure out what's, what.

I give them credit for laying out what they wanted to do, what they felt compelled to do, and to leave in order to do this, and understand that they would probably like to come back, but knew it was a certain if they would ever be allowed. Rock and a hard place, and they made their decision. Separate but still be in contact.

As for planet programs, that's their business. Problems arise, problems can be solved...there were going to be rough patches in how things are done. Transition can make things bumpy. As for some stuff, lots of stuff isn't reported, doesn't mean it isn't done. I'd rather be out massing people or planets, or taking a breather, than spending a few hours writing posts about my deeds. That egotistical stuff is the first thing to be cut during time constraints as it's unnecessary in many respects. The only neccessary thing about it being bad is coordination, or perhaps morale support. But we're not low on morale, so no reason, just TLE wanting to do things in a structured way, and **Filtered** about it not being done. Nothing to see here.

But I can understand how much of a red meat issue it appears to be. A wedge issue. Nope, because plenty of planet WERE taken. I'm sure you guys know that, but are attempting to insinuate otherwise through this picture. Not to mention the strategy from both sides of merlins and vac mode has been at an all time high. Thus this picture is just red meat that isn't much of anything. kk reading later a picture acknowledging this is given, that there were planets stolen. Yeah the TJP forums are brand new, takes a while to get everyone to register, and then change where they want to post...post twice, post once here on our forum, but not on the other TJP, etc. But things having been smoothing out in that regards for a while. I guess you also showed blade how much TLE thinks of him, that they think he is SUPER DUPER!

To summerize, KNOWING a war was coming, and the fact that one of the new OE teams had double crossed TJP, blahh wanted to farm people so he could best prepare for the war and get even with those that had double crossed us and passed sensitive info. What a story! Would anyone expect anything different?

If anything, the words from TLE only REAFFIRM our friendship. I'm quite impressed with how many had our backs and truly believed in friendship and believe in TJP.

A for Effort
F for Substance

But thanks, we will be stronger for this thread.

Like on g4 (EPPPIIICC FAAAAIILLLLLLLLL)..big game review tonight.

Where do we go from here?????...just grab a tissue and wipe that tear. But nothing in here had any effect on the start of this war. Just some halfway juicy sounding stuff...like Doritos, tastes good, but doesn't fill you up. I wish I owned a company that sold rose colored glasses because I'd be selling a ton of them. Content in those things is unimpressive.

Nothing that will break apart TLE, TJP, or our resolve in this war. As Luke Skywalker once said, 'You failed your heiness'.

Again good luck to ALL on BOTH sides.

Mr Mystake wrote:and post count+1... great... so you're the tit that reported me for spamming in a spam temple?

Kay. Didn't know where the whole Friend support came into play though seeing as we're not friends. I mena, what with you msg'ing me to say hello since................................ beginning of 2007?

Legendary Apophis wrote:

Shornaal wrote:

Legendary Apophis wrote:Do you always try to get attention like saying Slovenian commands are cheats (with zero proves ofc, just coz you at war with them) or post multiple topics saying "post count +1" on temple or something?

viewtopic.php?f=85&t=118374

Thanks a mod merged it

Yea with respected SC alliance saying they are cheats you made a mystake!!

Apophis please dont stick your nose into something that isnt your business.

Sorry didn't mean to cause problems there, I just can't stand people like him who say things like that just to get attention (see the link I provided, typical attention seeking, as it was 7 topics of this all merged at one) and cause problems, so I have to show he's not "clean" either. And since his accusations aren't solid, I sometimes lower myself to this by error. Sorry again, I should have known better than falling on that

Ifrit wrote:wow the trees your smoking must be better then the ones I am smoking

*steals The O-Neill's trees*

The O-Neill wrote:

Ifrit wrote:wow the trees your smoking must be better then the ones I am smoking

*steals The O-Neill's trees*

lol well if memory serves correct, the firefighters are busy in humboldt county putting out some fires.

My guess is there will be a 'tree' shortage around there sometime soon.

The O-Neill wrote:

Ifrit wrote:wow the trees your smoking must be better then the ones I am smoking

*steals The O-Neill's trees*

lol well if memory serves correct, the firefighters are busy in humboldt county putting out some fires.

My guess is there will be a 'tree' shortage around there sometime soon.

The O-Neill wrote:Wow misinformation at it's best

Talk about an ant issue trying to be solved with an atomic bomb.

Guess this is another campaign of, fight the battle via pen rather than swords. Interesting that FUALL or it's past predecessors used to never have to worry about this sort of stuff. I take it as progress that you all feel obligated to expand your gameplan during wars. I found it quite amazing how many people will outright say this is the way they feel they need to go about this war, rather than regular old smash mouth destruction.

FUALL wanted this, FUALL started this, FUALL got this, and now FUALL is trying to cry foul that we started it, that we were at fault, that this or that happened, etc. Reap what we sow. Make your bed, now you have to lie in it.

Kind of like blaming somebody you rear ended that it's their fault because they hit their brakes. Pretty much backwards.

Sorry, the sgw public won't buy it, they can read through this attempt to spin the truth into something that favors FUALL by bashing TJP for something irrelevant to how this war began.

Be careful though, all this propaganda is on the record, and each time something is spun here, something is spun there, in time you won't come out with a 'blanket' of an idea that can be tucked in around the sgw public.

People will instead see through these attempts, and one should ask, why are they even attempting to change the issue? In time, after all these exaggerations, and falsehoods play itself out FUALL risks people looking at them as the 'boy who cried wolf'. As people who keep shaping the truth around them incorrectly as to appear incompetent.

Then they'll remember who started it, and it was FUALL.

The SGW public is smarter than this. They can see who is trying to shift their perceptions away from what has been the reality of the past 3+ years. All you need to have been is not be in FUALL/CoP/GA or the small select group of friends they halfway treated decently over the recent past.

Screenshots can show all they want, even if they show exactly what you say they technically show, it doesn't change the fact that your interpretation of them based on the facts of history; means the attempt to shape the truth into something else, is just that, shaping it into something else other than the truth.

This is a tactic by FUALL, to sway the sgw public perception on FUALL. Problem is, you've affected (which also shows you guys can play) people negatively for a long, long time. People remember.

First impressions are generally right, and it takes 10x of the opposite to undo it. Well so far FUALL, comprised of what it currently is comprised of, as well as what it used to be in other forms, hasn't from a karma perspective paid back to the community even 5 percent of what it's taken, even with the additional outreaches over the past roughly year. That 5 percent is with a select few who were targeted to be their neutral buddies, in a pretty good idea that in the event of another server war, someone would have their backs on the forums and maybe in the war if needed.

You'll find that most in TJP aren't bullies. When this war is over, like all others, this will continue to be the case. I wonder when this war is over, if ever, if the heart of FUALL would principally be the same as what they were before it. Yep. The SGW would return to the status quo of FUALL tactics, tactics that led to the creation of such alliances as CIA and TJP.

Keep on trying, but no one will be buying. You guys haven't changed.

TJP and CIA were only reactionary to FUALL and predecessor actions against us. Actions which have in time over the past years have created strong bonds of opposition to FUALL.

If one remembers, we stated UNILATERALLY that when the CIA/CoP war was over, we'd disband our group. We stated, if another CoP was formed, we'd get back together, and we did just that.

No FUALL, No TJP
No CoP, No CIA

Even now after claims of indifference from FUALL, one only needs to look at our respective foundations to see to the truth. With a name like FUALL, I think people can read between the lines and figure out whose foundation serves what purpose. It's not F U CIA, or F U TJP, it's F U "ALL". The server can quite easily see through such spin to show that TJP is somehow just like FUALL, or how FUALL are magically somehow not as aggressive towards others as TJP.

I have no problem in having the SGW public see both sides as they are, through past and current actions. They tend to foretell the future. We knew there would be another big server war, we knew the remnants of CoP would reform and return to their norm, except with a twist of having a few outside friends and adapting your gameplay to ensure that at least somebody that was outside of the war would have positive things to say.

Anybody that pretends that FUALL is not the aggressor it's always been is kidding themselves. Anybody that pretends that a FUALL victory would bring out a kinder, gentler, fairer, FUALL is kidding themselves.

The older guard remember exactly how this game was like when those that comprise FUALL were in control of the server. It wasn't pretty, it was anything but fair, and lots of abuse on sgw members went unchecked, that is until a few of us formed up out of a need for survival, not a need to plunder.

Good thing there is no chance of a FUALL victory happening anytime soon, but the sgw public only needs to see how FUALL treated what many would claim as the only other collective equal to them....they launch a surprise attack against us, merely a couple of weeks after incorporating TJP into a NAP with FUALL as an extension to the FUALL and TLE nap.

Guess what happens to the next group that would stand against these guys/gals if the situation repeats itself? Shocker...the same thing. Don't you believe otherwise. If you do, you'll deserve exactly what you'll be sure to get.

FUALL broke the nap, any FUALL member that believes otherwise is kidding themselves. Who launched the attack? FUALL, nuff said.

(and besides that, if anyone wants to point to a single naq hit as to breaking of a NAP is seriously having a case of pick and choose, as attacks during the NAP were happening. Any of which if we went down the technical route, is a breaking of the nap....most people with common sense would realize that a single naq hit isn't a full fledged break of a nap unless that side who did it refused to pay it back....it's quite clear when you launch an attack of destroying our stats on over 300 accounts...YOU are the ones breaking the nap and launching the war....let's not be revisionist historians here)

I'm not writing this to say, lets be revisionist, my post is saying, don't let the revisionists alter history into a bunch of falsehoods. TJP isn't here to dominate the server, and nothing will change that. No alliance is perfect, but I think people can delineate the difference between a group of people that do x amount of things considered a negative action on the game and FUALL who have tended to do 10x it (at the very least).

Smear TJP all you want. If we're the proverbial toilet paper jokes, it'll be FUALL excrement you'll be smearing around.

I'm content with our place in SGW history, and know how we conduct ourselves. One need only look around to the thousands of 'in your face' posts bragging about bullying, and not caring, et cetera, to see what is at the core of FUALL.

You can lie to yourselves about what's at your SGW core, but you can't lie to us. TJP in no way, shape, or form....in the sense laid out here....can even compete with FUALL in this respect. You guys truly are kings at that, I'll give you that. Full of great players, but whose egos have let them stray too far from the path far too many times.

TJP is full of players who have felt the ramifications of you guys 'straying to far', full of players who joined up to counter a group if it dared to 'stray too far' against us, and full of players who were victims of 'straying to far', when FUALL launched it's attack on us.

The past month has just been the beginning stages of our retribution for such straying. No end in sight, no desire for it to end. We could care less if we have 0 defenses, have 0 stats, be page 10 in alliance rankings, et cetera. We aren't fighting for our egos. But we are fighting those that are...and doing pretty well considering the first strike advantage went to FUALL.

The one thing I'm not sure about this topic...was it made solely to try to sway the sgw public into preceiving FUALL incorrectly into another light as compared to TJP, or to sway your own inside FUALL to lessen the internal pressure?

Probably both, and my guess is no matter which side of the fence you are on, or in a completely different yard, the same conclusions will be met.

Since I doubt most neutral will buy what you guys are selling, I have a hard time believing that FUALL members will. Deep down inside they know the truth, and if they look at the turning points of what brought us here, they can not legitimately, competently say they believe otherwise...although that doesn't mean it'll be said so publicly by such members as I'm sure they have respect, but I'm also sure alot of current and former FUALL members correctly know who started it, and knows nothing about blahh will change that as it's on FUALL itself that they are indeed where they are (or were). FUALL made the decisions based on their own egos to start this war. Blahh and TLE didn't preempt that. The war started along time ago from your perspective, it just didn't involve fighting until mid-may.

Good luck to all, I don't plan on posting alot, would rather be fighting our aggressors. But I hadn't made an appearance for awhile, so thought this would be a good time to. Personally this is a fun war, good to have strong adversaries in a fight, and I've already been to the puppet show, and seen the strings. I won't blame the puppeteer for having the strings, I'll just enjoy the show and make sure if the puppeteer claims there aren't strings to the crowd watching, that there indeed are strings. Other than that, the game is just the game, and we all know it and our adversaries far too well.

Remember old proverbs, Pride goeth before a F(U)ALL

edit b4 posting: hacking is a no-no. the sgw public surely can see what's wrong if FUALL is claiming one thing, or that TJP is so bad, etc, when hacking comes into play in the same discussion, and FUALL's side claims it's fair. Again anybody realize what TJP is fighting for? So that as a community, we aren't in a position where it seems appropriate to hack. Where any mention of hacking has repercussions, idealistic, sure, but without ideals, you obviously have this.

Also those that state 10 things, some of which are nice, and others which aren't, then pick out the good things, forget the bad, and claim to be a saint...but not in those words, is exactly the type of twisting mentality that goes on. Spin, spin, spin, I'd think you guys be dizzy by now.

Finally on the edit, what I see is one person being trashed, and somehow that is supposed to lower all of TJP..because one person did something that all of you would consider nothing in your daily dealings, that was a response to what we knew about FUALL? funny.

Facts about what? nothing important? A big hub bub to prove what? nothing? nothing at all considering the context of FUALL preparing for this war. What's disputable is how much you gained in this trashing, nothing, yet it did serve as an opportunity for the sgw public to read exactly how you'll go about in your misinformation, making it easier to spot it in the future. Hope it was worth it, as i'm sure the sgw public and internally in FUALL can see this was a big damaging thing they hope for. *sarcastic*

Nice to know when this blows over, or if more is planned, the war will continue as it has been, and anyone that builds a defense can expect it to be thrashed, nothing will change. I think you guys are too good of players to be desperate, but if I hadn't played this game long enough I might think just that.

Personally this is how I roll, if I don't get it, I want my mates to get it. Given the context of 'when the time comes', farming for an acceptable amount before FUALL did, didn't just reduce how much you had stored, but increased collectively what we did. If any TA members were hit when they had alot of naq out to circumvent the nap but to provide funds to help fight this fight, it's A-OK with me. No wedge issue here. I fully support TLE.

Here I thought for a second you guys really had something juicy, again just farming requests to ready for this war...which had already been put into motion and confirmed on your side long before.

Everyone knew that if not before the end of the nap, right at the end or within 2 weeks after, we'd be at war. It was pretty obvious from your FUALL's side. TBH we in the TA were shocked you included us knowing how far down the road FUALL was from being at war.

As for thinking if he left it would start the war, ofc, that's an accurate interpretation of how we would perceive you all would see it. You guys have said the same thing many times, I don't see how someone saying that's how they think you'll think is an indication of anything other than that. Especially again when beyond other things it was obvious from our end that FUALL was preparing.

In halfway jesting manner teal'auc was mentioned. Some people have bad relations, it's only natural that if bad relations are there, that they'd be mentioned...that said mayhem had an opportunity, and I would say it show TJP mettle when sometimes people with disagreements can push those aside for the greater good. Besides mayhem had some people in TJP a bit po'ed, so I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Teal'auc happened to be that particular individual's 1st person to think of when it came to mayhem, and for what Mayhem did, it's quite understandable. Although I can understand some small portion of their side, there were ways to solve it, but they decided to go another route. The funny thing is that the whole time TAF fought Mayhem in a really good war, we knew what was supposed to happen after, and genuinely looked forward to it. Just a mess of what happened, and I guess I can feel for somebody who is thinking on the two fronts, respect and survival. Except things could've gone a much different route if they so chose. But not much effort was for that on their side. Oh well, no biggie, I still respect them as warriors, as not everything can work out the way things are intended...mayhem on this note is one of those things...it just didn't turn out that way.

I also see that they tried to talk him out, and speculated on what it could mean in a worst case, or near worst case scenario. Because we're not gods intent on bullying everyone, we acknowledge that good and bad things can happen, and thus speculating on them is quite normal. I don't see any weakness for them saying things in the fashion they did about the ramifications of blahh leaving, if anything I believe it's always necessary to frame the issue, and locate each corner of the frame. Covering all the bases is a good thing, not bad thing.

I think we are big enough within TJP and within our respective alliance to understand putting an account name to a situation for reference purposes. Ideally it may have come out wrong, but overall the intent wasn't to defame, but to make a co-relation, and one must remember the context of it being in an hc setting, thus you don't have to filter your words like you are preparing them for say....the SGW forum where all can see, judge, and it's many of people's purpose to flame, but a secret section where discussion are made to get stuff done inter-alliance. Any sensible person can understand that.

As for a leader leaving and people following..sure...that would always happen. FUALL alliances have been prepared for leadership/tag ownership changes. It's understandable to think worst case scenario if an ownership changed suddenly and without warning. Many of alliances have been ruined when their leader leaves, I bet at some point in time whether past or present members of FUALL would leave, varying on the time past or present would alter to what degree...people would leave. But without a doubt people WOULD leave...even if just 1 additional person. No problem there, if anything I'd point to SGW game situation as a whole, as an ongoing entity, prompted one to bring out the elevated levels of doomspeak. Wow I'm writing this as I read, and funny that I see like minded TLE people saying the same things, I say doomspeak, they say doomsday...amazing. Great minds think alike.

We'd be fools to think, hey...someone from FUALL is breaking off and starting their own alliance....they'll go against them, and with US!!!!! NO ofc not, anyone would want the low down on a new group. Far too many times we've seen 'neutrality' be used as a way to fund. I've seen it happen in many wars, and have seen it used in wars against TAF. Sometimes it's not even forming alliance, sometimes it's just leaving an alliance. No one could expect people to NOT bring them up and try to figure out what's, what.

I give them credit for laying out what they wanted to do, what they felt compelled to do, and to leave in order to do this, and understand that they would probably like to come back, but knew it was a certain if they would ever be allowed. Rock and a hard place, and they made their decision. Separate but still be in contact.

As for planet programs, that's their business. Problems arise, problems can be solved...there were going to be rough patches in how things are done. Transition can make things bumpy. As for some stuff, lots of stuff isn't reported, doesn't mean it isn't done. I'd rather be out massing people or planets, or taking a breather, than spending a few hours writing posts about my deeds. That egotistical stuff is the first thing to be cut during time constraints as it's unnecessary in many respects. The only neccessary thing about it being bad is coordination, or perhaps morale support. But we're not low on morale, so no reason, just TLE wanting to do things in a structured way, and **Filtered** about it not being done. Nothing to see here.

But I can understand how much of a red meat issue it appears to be. A wedge issue. Nope, because plenty of planet WERE taken. I'm sure you guys know that, but are attempting to insinuate otherwise through this picture. Not to mention the strategy from both sides of merlins and vac mode has been at an all time high. Thus this picture is just red meat that isn't much of anything. kk reading later a picture acknowledging this is given, that there were planets stolen. Yeah the TJP forums are brand new, takes a while to get everyone to register, and then change where they want to post...post twice, post once here on our forum, but not on the other TJP, etc. But things having been smoothing out in that regards for a while. I guess you also showed blade how much TLE thinks of him, that they think he is SUPER DUPER!

To summerize, KNOWING a war was coming, and the fact that one of the new OE teams had double crossed TJP, blahh wanted to farm people so he could best prepare for the war and get even with those that had double crossed us and passed sensitive info. What a story! Would anyone expect anything different?

If anything, the words from TLE only REAFFIRM our friendship. I'm quite impressed with how many had our backs and truly believed in friendship and believe in TJP.

A for Effort
F for Substance

But thanks, we will be stronger for this thread.

Like on g4 (EPPPIIICC FAAAAIILLLLLLLLL)..big game review tonight.

Where do we go from here?????...just grab a tissue and wipe that tear. But nothing in here had any effect on the start of this war. Just some halfway juicy sounding stuff...like Doritos, tastes good, but doesn't fill you up. I wish I owned a company that sold rose colored glasses because I'd be selling a ton of them. Content in those things is unimpressive.

Nothing that will break apart TLE, TJP, or our resolve in this war. As Luke Skywalker once said, 'You failed your heiness'.

Again good luck to ALL on BOTH sides.

SVaRuN wrote:actually blahh left to kick some mayhem asses farming you was just the side dish...





Blue

SSG EnterTheLion wrote:http://www.omegan-empire.com/tleforum

To summarise, Blahh SUPPOSEDLY left the TLE, while still being an unofficial leader for the sole purpose of farming for any number of reasons, one of them being to accumulate naq to use against FUALL. And here we have been having the TLE crying foul about broken NAPs when they knew exactly what would happen.

You love your latin so much Blahh so would the term Primus inter parus be used to describe you. As according to your own definition "it may also be used to indicate that while the person described appears to be an equal, he actually is the group's unofficial or hidden leader". Describes you perfectly!

Severian wrote:

SSG EnterTheLion wrote:http://www.omegan-empire.com/tleforum

To summarise, Blahh SUPPOSEDLY left the TLE, while still being an unofficial leader for the sole purpose of farming for any number of reasons, one of them being to accumulate naq to use against FUALL. And here we have been having the TLE crying foul about broken NAPs when they knew exactly what would happen.

You love your latin so much Blahh so would the term Primus inter parus be used to describe you. As according to your own definition "it may also be used to indicate that while the person described appears to be an equal, he actually is the group's unofficial or hidden leader". Describes you perfectly!

- Evidence of FUALL saving up enourmous resource reserves, buying out smaller alliances, approaching alliances they would normally have nothing to do with, stocking Banks, lifeforce and ATs. Selling or down scaling stats (i.e selling off to minimise damage), planets merlining and many other signs of intent of war.

Obviously we could see the tensions rising on the forums. Why get caught with our pants down?

- Evidence of spying TLE accounts, getting recons on our stats & planets.

If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of one hundred battles...

Sun Tzu

- Evidence of detailed plans being developed and drawn up, tactics discussed and how to go about it.

He who fails to plan, plans to fail.

Proverbs

- Outright statements by leaders within your empire saying war is comming.

- Mayhem betraying TLE, switches sides, their leaders admitting to feigning ignorance to grant you a political bullet to fire and openly admit to using Blahh and co for information for spying purposes on TJP, the alliances it comprised of and potential friends of TJP (Who funnily enough ended up getting hit prior to war).

- Increased sniper hits on TLE accounts on ascended, Radical minority appearing and Buck stating he is Omegan at heart and only hitting TLE not FUALL.

With that information available, TLE senate still decides to honour its NaP to the end and Blahh and Zesh leave; they’d been totally betrayed by Orph, knew war was being plotted against them, that FUALL were dancing a political game of cat and mouse and given the above decide they can no longer stand and do nothing about it. How dare they!

I can really see how FUALL and TJP are just as dirty as each other and how TJP is not united, are corrupt and plotted against FUALL to the same or greater extent that FUALL did towards them.

The other guy in the big long post said this:

TJP and CIA were only reactionary to FUALL and predecessor actions against us. Actions which have in time over the past years have created strong bonds of opposition to FUALL.

If one remembers, we stated UNILATERALLY that when the CIA/CoP war was over, we'd disband our group. We stated, if another CoP was formed, we'd get back together, and we did just that.

No FUALL, No TJP
No CoP, No CIA

Isn't this saying that you were created only to fight FUALL? (you have been trying to deny this quite often

/sarcasm.

The only thing this thread has done is reaffirmed the publics opinions of you Rhett and let your members know to what extents and lows you'll stoop to and just how dirty the political games you play are.

Because TJP is posting against us means that public opinion is against us? Please show evidence of non-TJP players posting about how this is dirty and low.

You failed to break TJP in your opening strike.

All defenses destroyed that were not on ppt. Turned into farms for our enjoyment. what more could we possibly do with the way the game is set up?

Your investment failed in portraying yourselves as good and us as bad.
You are losing members; people are splintering off and no longer listening.

same on both sides.

Your empire cannot survive a war of attrition which is what this is turning into.
The community and your own players are starting to realise the long term repercussions of this war and how dangerous a FUALL victory is to the server.

You have 71 Runners already, all noted and recorded.
You have another 47 on top of that “hiding” in vacation.

and you have full alliances of people that refuse to vacation and are just farms. It seems to me that the alliance with the most uu is The Legion, but they are doing the least of the fighting. Care to point out why this is?

That’s a good 118 accounts of the mighty and fundamentally unbreakable alliance out of commission. I can really see how TJP are failing, that they’re not doing anything that they’re as weak, disorganised and paralysed by factionalism as you make them out to be.

and your big accounts do nothing but get farmed and raided while your small allies fight for you...

So what do you do Rhett, where do you go, how can you rally the troops and where can you try take the war so you can try winning it given that you aren’t gaining any ground in game.

Everyone knows what this thread is and what it is for. You have further soiled whatever honour and virtue that is left in your empire.

Severian wrote:

SSG EnterTheLion wrote:http://www.omegan-empire.com/tleforum

To summarise, Blahh SUPPOSEDLY left the TLE, while still being an unofficial leader for the sole purpose of farming for any number of reasons, one of them being to accumulate naq to use against FUALL. And here we have been having the TLE crying foul about broken NAPs when they knew exactly what would happen.

You love your latin so much Blahh so would the term Primus inter parus be used to describe you. As according to your own definition "it may also be used to indicate that while the person described appears to be an equal, he actually is the group's unofficial or hidden leader". Describes you perfectly!

- Evidence of FUALL saving up enourmous resource reserves, buying out smaller alliances, approaching alliances they would normally have nothing to do with, stocking Banks, lifeforce and ATs. Selling or down scaling stats (i.e selling off to minimise damage), planets merlining and many other signs of intent of war.

- Evidence of spying TLE accounts, getting recons on our stats & planets.

- Evidence of detailed plans being developed and drawn up, tactics discussed and how to go about it.

- Outright statements by leaders within your empire saying war is comming.

- Mayhem betraying TLE, switches sides, their leaders admitting to feigning ignorance to grant you a political bullet to fire and openly admit to using Blahh and co for information for spying purposes on TJP, the alliances it comprised of and potential friends of TJP (Who funnily enough ended up getting hit prior to war).

- Increased sniper hits on TLE accounts on ascended, Radical minority appearing and Buck stating he is Omegan at heart and only hitting TLE not FUALL.

With that information available, TLE senate still decides to honour its NaP to the end and Blahh and Zesh leave; they’d been totally betrayed by Orph, knew war was being plotted against them, that FUALL were dancing a political game of cat and mouse and given the above decide they can no longer stand and do nothing about it. How dare they!

I can really see how FUALL and TJP are just as dirty as each other and how TJP is not united, are corrupt and plotted against FUALL to the same or greater extent that FUALL did towards them.

/sarcasm.

The only thing this thread has done is reaffirmed the publics opinions of you Rhett and let your members know to what extents and lows you'll stoop to and just how dirty the political games you play are.

You failed to break TJP in your opening strike.
Your investment failed in portraying yourselves as good and us as bad.
You are losing members; people are splintering off and no longer listening.
Your empire cannot survive a war of attrition which is what this is turning into.
The community and your own players are starting to realise the long term repercussions of this war and how dangerous a FUALL victory is to the server.

You have 71 Runners already, all noted and recorded.
You have another 47 on top of that “hiding” in vacation.

That’s a good 118 accounts of the mighty and fundamentally unbreakable alliance out of commission. I can really see how TJP are failing, that they’re not doing anything that they’re as weak, disorganised and paralysed by factionalism as you make them out to be.

So what do you do Rhett, where do you go, how can you rally the troops and where can you try take the war so you can try winning it given that you aren’t gaining any ground in game.

Everyone knows what this thread is and what it is for. You have further soiled whatever honour and virtue that is left in your empire.

Severian wrote:- Evidence of FUALL saving up enourmous resource reserves, buying out smaller alliances, approaching alliances they would normally have nothing to do with, stocking Banks, lifeforce and ATs. Selling or down scaling stats (i.e selling off to minimise damage), planets merlining and many other signs of intent of war.

- Evidence of spying TLE accounts, getting recons on our stats & planets.

- Evidence of detailed plans being developed and drawn up, tactics discussed and how to go about it.

- Outright statements by leaders within your empire saying war is comming.

- Mayhem betraying TLE, switches sides, their leaders admitting to feigning ignorance to grant you a political bullet to fire and openly admit to using Blahh and co for information for spying purposes on TJP, the alliances it comprised of and potential friends of TJP (Who funnily enough ended up getting hit prior to war).

You failed to break TJP in your opening strike.
Your investment failed in portraying yourselves as good and us as bad.
You are losing members; people are splintering off and no longer listening.
Your empire cannot survive a war of attrition which is what this is turning into.
The community and your own players are starting to realise the long term repercussions of this war and how dangerous a FUALL victory is to the server.