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Tekki wrote:

E.M.P. wrote:What it comes down to is ... after everything Feri has put into UP to get as far beyond Plague as he is, he deserves what he has. A huge army size. There is nothing wrong with the game, and nothing needs to be changed.

You're trying to make Plague mass his defense down, which is unfair. If you think the existence of a 200tril defense is unfair, which it isn't, then suggest something about defenses, not Plague. Feri put a ton of resources into his UP, it would be unfair for someone who hasn't put as much in it as him to be able to mass his defense (which he obtained by beating Plague).

No one is suggesting that any change be made to Fericide's UP thus he would not be punished for putting in that mcuh into that stat.

No you're suggesting Plague be changed because his UP is so big...

Jedi~Tank wrote:Dam after all this posting I figured it out

Actually I don't think you have or you wouldn't have started this thread in the first place

E.M.P. wrote:

Tekki wrote:

E.M.P. wrote:What it comes down to is ... after everything Feri has put into UP to get as far beyond Plague as he is, he deserves what he has. A huge army size. There is nothing wrong with the game, and nothing needs to be changed.

You're trying to make Plague mass his defense down, which is unfair. If you think the existence of a 200tril defense is unfair, which it isn't, then suggest something about defenses, not Plague. Feri put a ton of resources into his UP, it would be unfair for someone who hasn't put as much in it as him to be able to mass his defense (which he obtained by beating Plague).

No one is suggesting that any change be made to Fericide's UP thus he would not be punished for putting in that mcuh into that stat.

No you're suggesting Plague be changed because his UP is so big...

No, the suggestion is the plague be altered because it is ineffective for many of the accounts who have reached that.

I think you forget that the plague was not updated for years, now has been updated somewhat, but only marginally. Further is still required.

While it's easy to say it's for the benefit of those threatened, it's actually for the benefit of new players. How are they meant to compete if effectively, for some players, Plague does not exist, thus their income and armies can go up exponentially?

Robe wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:Dam after all this posting I figured it out

Actually I don't think you have or you wouldn't have started this thread in the first place

Actually the reason I started this thread is contained in the very 1st post

funny you should say that..
when blahh had godly defenses everyone supported increasing fleets cause planets were suppose to be takeable...

now when people are here saying Plague was to keep growth down so others could catch, and growth isn't being kept down (lets be realistic, there are some who are more then +50% the plague), is that really your idea of growth being halted? clearly they are still growing...

so it was okay for blahh and a few others to get screwed when they boosted planet defenses to 'unmassable' stats? but it isn't okay for those growing to 'untouchable' sizes to be screwed??

I'm confused, why the sudden change in attitudes? is it cause a few are only the start and more is to come?

plague is meant to stop the over growth if one can beat it, thats why it has to be revised otherwise where is the point of it. it stops some but not all.
building a heavy def 50t-250t makes the account un massable for most of the free players because not all can beat the plague and in the case of 200t def no free player can reach it , even cash players has to team to get uu , to mass it one need free hand on the target, uu supplies, and a really strong account. and what is the game like if 5 accounts need to beat one only if they have free hand.

Feri did build his account very good ok that great but the way that some supporters talks here is childish and stupid. this is just about building a bully account for wars not supporting someone who beat the plague.

and its damn funny as this case is quite similar to Blahhh planets.

I do think that there does need to be some changes made to the overall set-up. The game has always aimed to balance out one way or another when particular stats or players become far stronger than the game intends- I think it will be only a matter of time before something is changed to even it out- the loser in this round would seem to be Feri if it does happen as it was blahh in the past amongst many others who have reached lofty heights.

To help those who are smaller what about another solution be that raid limit be extended right up to plague limit- this would allow smaller players to use their AT's and a degree of skill before reaching limits.

stuff of legends wrote:

Kikaz wrote:Plague just got updated 2 weeks ago, it doubles every 200m army past plague limit.

700m 4x plague
900m 8x plague
1.1 bill 16x plague

try again....

Fine Tuning
Plague now increases the death rate the further you are over the plague threshold (doubles each 300M over the threshold).

533 mill-833 mill plague is normal
833 mill-1,113 mill plague is double.

Do you just make up stuff?
seriously don't post about how things are if you don't know.

it is doubling every 300m but you are completely wrong about it being "normal" from 533-833.


For every million units you have over plague it adss 1/300th more losses.
It is not normal below 833 it just doesn't fully double until that point.

Do ANY of the people that are complaining about the plague update still have an personal, practical experience with the current plague that would give them l leg to stand on as far as whether or not it is working?


And Lith, I haven't focused my account to mass planets, so it might take 4-5 people to build up something to be able to mass a nice planet defense. Obviously this is unfair and what is the game if it takes more than 1 person to do something?

Just saying the ability is there to mass me. should it be way cheaper than the cost of a defense? I mean hell as I said before it already doesn't cost any repairs to mass. Less attacker losses.
Why should any random joe blow with an account feel that they have a god given right to mass me all by themselves if their account isn't setup properly, rework how it is setup instead of whining that your current account isn't ok.

To summarize.
People complaining plague isn't high enough aren't experiencing plague and post false stats on how it works.
Everyone seems to want the right to be able to easily cheaply mass big stats.

The point is it's a war game so building past the point where a defense can actually be massed is clearly not what the game is designed for.

Why have plague if people can actually still maintain strike or defense well past the plague limits, plus enough spies to protect said stats from sabbing?

no one is saying rank 1 defense should be EASY to remove, but as of now we are looking at an entire top ranked alliance pooling resources and even then alliance repair and alliance ppt can stop it succeeding, neither of which require the person with the super-defense to even be online.

Iƒrit wrote:funny you should say that..
when blahh had godly defenses everyone supported increasing fleets cause planets were suppose to be takeable...

now when people are here saying Plague was to keep growth down so others could catch, and growth isn't being kept down (lets be realistic, there are some who are more then +50% the plague), is that really your idea of growth being halted? clearly they are still growing...

so it was okay for blahh and a few others to get screwed when they boosted planet defenses to 'unmassable' stats? but it isn't okay for those growing to 'untouchable' sizes to be screwed??

I'm confused, why the sudden change in attitudes? is it cause a few are only the start and more is to come?

Not everyone, some of us just massed him regardless..and where were you back then?

@everyone that has completely let the point go right ova ya head...come to viable conclusions regarding adjustments to the game that is in the best interest of everyone in the long run and STOP scurrying to admin about a change here and there whenever you feel threatened by an adversary, potential adversary or someone you just dont like, its a pattern established now for almost 3 years and its rediculous.

Jedi~Tank
Said all I intend to say- POINT!

Jedi~Tank wrote:

Iƒrit wrote:funny you should say that..
when blahh had godly defenses everyone supported increasing fleets cause planets were suppose to be takeable...

now when people are here saying Plague was to keep growth down so others could catch, and growth isn't being kept down (lets be realistic, there are some who are more then +50% the plague), is that really your idea of growth being halted? clearly they are still growing...

so it was okay for blahh and a few others to get screwed when they boosted planet defenses to 'unmassable' stats? but it isn't okay for those growing to 'untouchable' sizes to be screwed??

I'm confused, why the sudden change in attitudes? is it cause a few are only the start and more is to come?

Not everyone, some of us just massed him regardless..and where were you back then?

@everyone that has completely let the point go right ova ya head...come to viable conclusions regarding adjustments to the game that is in the best interest of everyone in the long run and STOP scurrying to admin about a change here and there whenever you feel threatened by an adversary, potential adversary or someone you just dont like, its a pattern established now for almost 3 years and its rediculous.

Jedi~Tank
Said all I intend to say- POINT!

yes ok whatever you need to tell yourself jedi-poo, who were you then? ah thats right NOBODY. Me well I was around, and even when I did or didn't quit what the hell does it matter? how does that make my point any less? oh thats right it doesnt. What it does show is how low you will go to flame someone in a discussion and avoid points made

Feri wrote:Everyone seems to want the right to be able to easily cheaply mass big stats.

Don't you mean everyone wants the right to be able to mass....?

Every defence should be possible to mass without having to build customised cashed up accounts
or cripple multiple accounts to achieve a basic in game function.

In game suggestions players are asking for the Plague to be more effective.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=181661

They are also asking for Officer UP not to be ineffective at plague cap.
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=181847

These are all reasonable requests.

Every account should be massable by a non cash spender.

Jedi~Tank wrote:

Iƒrit wrote:funny you should say that..
when blahh had godly defenses everyone supported increasing fleets cause planets were suppose to be takeable...

now when people are here saying Plague was to keep growth down so others could catch, and growth isn't being kept down (lets be realistic, there are some who are more then +50% the plague), is that really your idea of growth being halted? clearly they are still growing...

so it was okay for blahh and a few others to get screwed when they boosted planet defenses to 'unmassable' stats? but it isn't okay for those growing to 'untouchable' sizes to be screwed??

I'm confused, why the sudden change in attitudes? is it cause a few are only the start and more is to come?

Not everyone, some of us just massed him regardless..and where were you back then?

@everyone that has completely let the point go right ova ya head...come to viable conclusions regarding adjustments to the game that is in the best interest of everyone in the long run and STOP scurrying to admin about a change here and there whenever you feel threatened by an adversary, potential adversary or someone you just dont like, its a pattern established now for almost 3 years and its rediculous.

Jedi~Tank
Said all I intend to say- POINT!

didnt ppl went to admin for the planet update? does it ring any bell to u?

Robe wrote:

Feri wrote:Everyone seems to want the right to be able to easily cheaply mass big stats.

Don't you mean everyone wants the right to be able to mass....?

Every defence should be possible to mass without having to build customised cashed up accounts
or cripple multiple accounts to achieve a basic in game function.

In game suggestions players are asking for the Plague to be more effective.
viewtopic.php?f=20&t=181661

They are also asking for Officer UP not to be ineffective at plague cap.
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=181847

These are all reasonable requests.

Every account should be massable by a non cash spender.

Umm thats a link to a thread about an update which is no longer in effect and a link to a thread started by Tekki which I posted earlier.

and yes yes you are right every noob from EPA.. every noob from HVE well they should all be able to mass me by themselves. since people with accounts that ARE capable of taking me down don't believe they can.

Feri

Just mass your own defense and get this over with.


Is it fair that anyone can mass everyone ?
- No, someone spending months of either farming and raiding - hours and days ingame to build up the resources, or $ should have the advantage on someone who logs in once a week and does nothing. Period.

But the right team who's eye's are fixed on the target should be well capable to reach their goal, all in good time. Things shouldn't be easy.

-KJ