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Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:Its a burdne to play this game pure and simple, and frankly allot of people are sick of the adjustments being made that cater to a select few as I have already stated..

You mean the only people that dont agree with the updates. There will always be some haters regardless.

What? I mean exactly what I said.

ajdusments are made to fix things, THEY WILL ALWAYS cater for one group of people and disadvantage another, it just so happens that some people kick up a bigger fuss than others.

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:Its a burdne to play this game pure and simple, and frankly allot of people are sick of the adjustments being made that cater to a select few as I have already stated..

You mean the only people that dont agree with the updates. There will always be some haters regardless.

What? I mean exactly what I said.

ajdusments are made to fix things, THEY WILL ALWAYS cater for one group of people and disadvantage another, it just so happens that some people kick up a bigger fuss than others.

OK? so whats your point then m8?

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:Its a burdne to play this game pure and simple, and frankly allot of people are sick of the adjustments being made that cater to a select few as I have already stated..

You mean the only people that dont agree with the updates. There will always be some haters regardless.

What? I mean exactly what I said.

ajdusments are made to fix things, THEY WILL ALWAYS cater for one group of people and disadvantage another, it just so happens that some people kick up a bigger fuss than others.

OK? so whats your point then m8?

Was going to add it but i had to log off the computer at uni

The point is your point is void. These updates hardly cater for a select few, admin has changed it so users can actually do what it is there for. Regardless updates that are on ascended have been asked for constantly and admin has finally implemented them. Also define a lot? because i see only a handful of people rejecting the updates, which just all happen to be from the same clique. This is hardly the topic to talk about this anyway, I have said what i needed to say about your 'cap-all' proposal.

stuff of legends wrote:ajdusments are made to fix things, THEY WILL ALWAYS cater for one group of people and disadvantage another, it just so happens that some people kick up a bigger fuss than others.

This catering is rather distinctive for one small select group though.

Nostra wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:ajdusments are made to fix things, THEY WILL ALWAYS cater for one group of people and disadvantage another, it just so happens that some people kick up a bigger fuss than others.

This catering is rather distinctive for one small select group though.

This continual forum whining is rather distinct from a small group of people

stuff of legends wrote:

Nostra wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:ajdusments are made to fix things, THEY WILL ALWAYS cater for one group of people and disadvantage another, it just so happens that some people kick up a bigger fuss than others.

This catering is rather distinctive for one small select group though.

This continual whining is rather distinct from a small group of people

Your a **Filtered**

Here is some more whining

The legion is cheating like this you know, at least, in my opinion, but hey, you call it whining

They try to get all sorts of unfair advantages by persuading admin to implement updates that generally benefits them ... the fear of loosing the capability to descend 1 person per day.
What happened ? some of you worked so hard andd so long for those powers and now you want to use it at high speed ? ludicrous
Continous efforts to preserve the high ranks etc etc ....
Updates which cripple other players that are better then you folks ... tsk tsk

Its **Filtered** rediculous ... and its a shame admin listens to you people like this.

How come ? is Robe paying for all your upgrades ? and is Jason affraid he'lll loose what little income he has left form this game if you kids are unhappy ?

Players like you are actively ruining the game Solly turd

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:Its a burdne to play this game pure and simple, and frankly allot of people are sick of the adjustments being made that cater to a select few as I have already stated..

You mean the only people that dont agree with the updates. There will always be some haters regardless.

What? I mean exactly what I said.

ajdusments are made to fix things, THEY WILL ALWAYS cater for one group of people and disadvantage another, it just so happens that some people kick up a bigger fuss than others.

OK? so whats your point then m8?

Was going to add it but i had to log off the computer at uni

The point is your point is void. These updates hardly cater for a select few, admin has changed it so users can actually do what it is there for. Regardless updates that are on ascended have been asked for constantly and admin has finally implemented them. Also define a lot? because i see only a handful of people rejecting the updates, which just all happen to be from the same clique. This is hardly the topic to talk about this anyway, I have said what i needed to say about your 'cap-all' proposal.

1st of all bud nobody is whining about anything so get off that ok? Thats not constructive. 2nd you dont see the larger view if you only think this current state benefits the majority, it DOES NOT, it in fact preserves the already top (and yes I am one of them). None of these updates were discussed as thorough as they should have been. The discussions took place in private and the so- called admin meet was the announcement of the decisions made, THATS A FARCE. So take your rude and antagonizing statements out and post constructive reasoning to your position based on the initial post

Ascended- completely join the 2, ppt, vac, bonus in main based on ascended power

Cap planets @ 15b
Cap power ups at 1000- for those over 1000 bring them down to 1000

Cap covert level at 40
Cap AC level at 40
Cap max army size at 300mil- total army including mers..eliminate the plaque aspect.
Cap ms capacities at 500k slots- if any is over bring them down
Cap ascensions at 25 (debatable) stay where they are

This will make players have to use thier accounts in strategic ways

Remove alliance repairs
Remove alliance ppt's
Remove the houses and install a galaxy format

Make a ratio whereas an account cannot engage another unless it is within a specific power/size parameter.

Install farm button- with this you can farm any account.

Make failed covert ops show in the logs
Make successful covert ops 100% not shown- no ?????

Add a attack weps sab button
Add a def weps sabb button

So we can choose which we want to sab.

You want to level the playing field? and make the game good for noobies and power players alike? Lets US big guns step up and make the sacrifice for the game, because the updates being discussed right now do not benefit everyone in this game, they cater to a select few.

For starters....

because your typical style of posting is not helpful to the game, thank you.

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:Its a burdne to play this game pure and simple, and frankly allot of people are sick of the adjustments being made that cater to a select few as I have already stated..

You mean the only people that dont agree with the updates. There will always be some haters regardless.

What? I mean exactly what I said.

ajdusments are made to fix things, THEY WILL ALWAYS cater for one group of people and disadvantage another, it just so happens that some people kick up a bigger fuss than others.

OK? so whats your point then m8?

Was going to add it but i had to log off the computer at uni

The point is your point is void. These updates hardly cater for a select few, admin has changed it so users can actually do what it is there for. Regardless updates that are on ascended have been asked for constantly and admin has finally implemented them. Also define a lot? because i see only a handful of people rejecting the updates, which just all happen to be from the same clique. This is hardly the topic to talk about this anyway, I have said what i needed to say about your 'cap-all' proposal.

1st of all bud nobody is whining about anything so get off that ok? Thats not constructive.

LOL.
How about you restrict your members posts before you start criticizing how people outside of your alliance aren't posting 'constructively'.

Jedi~Tank wrote:2nd you dont see the larger view if you only think this current state benefits the majority, it DOES NOT, it in fact preserves the already top (and yes I am one of them). None of these updates were discussed as thorough as they should have been. The discussions took place in private and the so- called admin meet was the announcement of the decisions made, THATS A FARCE.

It depends what you classify as updates, i would consider many updates so far benefit the strong (more than you do), whether it be because they suggested it, or admin actually finally got around to fixing it (and so those that had something good, grew to have something better).
MOST of these updates have been discussed thoroughly on the forum, apart from fixes which should have been applied, bugs, the ability to abuse the game mechanics, and even updating set formulas that were created 4 odd years ago when the dream of reaching such a height was a twinkle in your eye.

Yes I believe some course of action NEEDS to be taken to allow some of the new people a fighting chance to play, even if admin just implements a 5x 1/5 rule like ascended, it would bolster the new peoples protection, then again who wants to play a game where you have to battle against cash? where you have to spend years catching up (whats capping going to do? hah). Perhaps you should be aiming to resolve the CAUSE and not fix the REALITY of the problem, like i said, jason-quick-fix.
Who wants to destroy something that takes 3 seconds to rebuild anyway? Wars would last and people use to build big because when you took something down it stayed down for awhile, or was rebuilt smaller, until the opposition had to farm and raid it back.

Plus the game guide could use a good re-work, im suprised some of it is still relevant.

stuff of legends wrote:LOL.
How about you restrict your members posts before you start criticizing how people outside of your alliance aren't posting 'constructively'.
.

Then you should start keeping you crap out of here and I will do the same.
The topic started out well ... till some of your and your fellow alliance mates their replies.

For the record, quite a few of your alliances mates their replies got deleted already
Admittengly, some of my replies to theirs too

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

stuff of legends wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:Its a burdne to play this game pure and simple, and frankly allot of people are sick of the adjustments being made that cater to a select few as I have already stated..

You mean the only people that dont agree with the updates. There will always be some haters regardless.

What? I mean exactly what I said.

ajdusments are made to fix things, THEY WILL ALWAYS cater for one group of people and disadvantage another, it just so happens that some people kick up a bigger fuss than others.

OK? so whats your point then m8?

Was going to add it but i had to log off the computer at uni

The point is your point is void. These updates hardly cater for a select few, admin has changed it so users can actually do what it is there for. Regardless updates that are on ascended have been asked for constantly and admin has finally implemented them. Also define a lot? because i see only a handful of people rejecting the updates, which just all happen to be from the same clique. This is hardly the topic to talk about this anyway, I have said what i needed to say about your 'cap-all' proposal.

1st of all bud nobody is whining about anything so get off that ok? Thats not constructive.

LOL.
How about you restrict your members posts before you start criticizing how people outside of your alliance aren't posting 'constructively'.

Jedi~Tank wrote:2nd you dont see the larger view if you only think this current state benefits the majority, it DOES NOT, it in fact preserves the already top (and yes I am one of them). None of these updates were discussed as thorough as they should have been. The discussions took place in private and the so- called admin meet was the announcement of the decisions made, THATS A FARCE.

It depends what you classify as updates, i would consider many updates so far benefit the strong (more than you do), whether it be because they suggested it, or admin actually finally got around to fixing it (and so those that had something good, grew to have something better).
MOST of these updates have been discussed thoroughly on the forum, apart from fixes which should have been applied, bugs, the ability to abuse the game mechanics, and even updating set formulas that were created 4 odd years ago when the dream of reaching such a height was a twinkle in your eye.

Yes I believe some course of action NEEDS to be taken to allow some of the new people a fighting chance to play, even if admin just implements a 5x 1/5 rule like ascended, it would bolster the new peoples protection, then again who wants to play a game where you have to battle against cash? where you have to spend years catching up (whats capping going to do? hah). Perhaps you should be aiming to resolve the CAUSE and not fix the REALITY of the problem, like i said, jason-quick-fix.
Who wants to destroy something that takes 3 seconds to rebuild anyway? Wars would last and people use to build big because when you took something down it stayed down for awhile, or was rebuilt smaller, until the opposition had to farm and raid it back.

Plus the game guide could use a good re-work, im suprised some of it is still relevant.

$$ is always going to be apart of this and every other game online, its the way it is. What if I decided to spend...say 10k on naq all in 1 go and jack my account even more sick than it already is?

Even the tops couldnt compete and I wouldnt HAVE to be apart of any alliance to dominate...any alliance, I could do and destroy whatever I wanted until there was (has been) enough of an outcry to allow the tops (the few...catered too) to catch up to me via some game changing rule..thus increasing the gap between the tops (us) and the nooblets (new players and smaller accounts) and the cycle continues...regardless if its my alliance m8's, yours, The syndicate, haven, OE or any other..the playing field has got to be leveled to a degree where these members have a chance to compete..regardless of the current alignements and wars the fact is before us ALL, this game is out of balance and it is not feasable to bring new people in and HIGHLY unlikely anyone will stay once they learn what the real deal is. Thats the facts guys you cannot disguise it or get away from it.

The lack of new blood to an alliance is the eventual death of that alliance, and its GAMEWIDE. You dont see alliances expanding due to new members save a few here and there, no, they are expanding due to merges of already existing players and the disbandment of longstanding alliances due to this very thing...lack of new players. Bottom line. Capping this **Filtered** will help very much, its basic management, you cap growth until your company catches up to itself then you raise the cap based on necessarry demand.

@ JT how about

Ascended- completely join the 2, ppt, vac, bonus in main based on ascended power

Cap planets @ 15b
Cap power ups at 1000- for those over 1000 bring them down to 1000

Cap covert level at 38 -reduce anyone over
Cap AC level at 38 -reduce anyone over
Cap max army size at 300mil- total army including mers..eliminate the plaque aspect.
Cap ms capacities at 250k slots- if any is over bring them down - reduce anyone over
Cap ascensions at 25 (debatable) stay where they are

Now I don't actually agree with any of the above, but since your proposed caps seemed to have little to no effect on your own account I though i'd even it up slightly

and @ your last comment - if you want everything to remain balanced...why keep spending more and more $$ then

renegadze wrote:@ JT how about

Ascended- completely join the 2, ppt, vac, bonus in main based on ascended power

Cap planets @ 15b
Cap power ups at 1000- for those over 1000 bring them down to 1000

Cap covert level at 38 -reduce anyone over
Cap AC level at 38 -reduce anyone over
Cap max army size at 300mil- total army including mers..eliminate the plaque aspect.
Cap ms capacities at 250k slots- if any is over bring them down - reduce anyone over
Cap ascensions at 25 (debatable) stay where they are

Now I don't actually agree with any of the above, but since your proposed caps seemed to have little to no effect on your own account I though i'd even it up slightly

and @ your last comment - if you want everything to remain balanced...why keep spending more and more $$ then

So basically your post is not for constructive sake..but more of a shot? typical..I dont care if mine get jacked down 15 notches, howz that? Lets leave the persoanl attacks out of the discussion please and bring ourselves out of the gutter, thank you.

$$ is always going to be apart of this and every other game online, its the way it is. What if I decided to spend...say 10k on naq all in 1 go and jack my account even more sick than it already is?

Even the tops couldnt compete and I wouldnt HAVE to be apart of any alliance to dominate...any alliance, I could do and destroy whatever I wanted until there was (has been) enough of an outcry to allow the tops (the few...catered too) to catch up to me via some game changing rule..thus increasing the gap between the tops (us) and the nooblets (new players and smaller accounts) and the cycle continues...regardless if its my alliance m8's, yours, The syndicate, haven, OE or any other..the playing field has got to be leveled to a degree where these members have a chance to compete..regardless of the current alignements and wars the fact is before us ALL, this game is out of balance and it is not feasable to bring new people in and HIGHLY unlikely anyone will stay once they learn what the real deal is. Thats the facts guys you cannot disguise it or get away from it.

The lack of new blood to an alliance is the eventual death of that alliance, and its GAMEWIDE. You dont see alliances expanding due to new members save a few here and there, no, they are expanding due to merges of already existing players and the disbandment of longstanding alliances due to this very thing...lack of new players. Bottom line. Capping this **Filtered** will help very much, its basic management, you cap growth until your company catches up to itself then you raise the cap based on necessarry demand.

Jedi~Tank wrote:

renegadze wrote:@ JT how about

Ascended- completely join the 2, ppt, vac, bonus in main based on ascended power

Cap planets @ 15b
Cap power ups at 1000- for those over 1000 bring them down to 1000

Cap covert level at 38 -reduce anyone over
Cap AC level at 38 -reduce anyone over
Cap max army size at 300mil- total army including mers..eliminate the plaque aspect.
Cap ms capacities at 250k slots- if any is over bring them down - reduce anyone over
Cap ascensions at 25 (debatable) stay where they are

Now I don't actually agree with any of the above, but since your proposed caps seemed to have little to no effect on your own account I though i'd even it up slightly

and @ your last comment - if you want everything to remain balanced...why keep spending more and more $$ then

So basically your post is not for constructive sake..but more of a shot? typical..I dont care if mine get jacked down 15 notches, howz that? Lets leave the persoanl attacks out of the discussion please and bring ourselves out of the gutter, thank you.

It has been pointed out many times already the caps are not comparible, to simply say "cap everything" shows naivity.

People want TOC's to be less effective, want PPT on ascended when you PPT on main.....these would basically close the ascended server - I know that seems to be your goal, because collectively you guys haven't bothered that much with your ascended accounts - but this would not be an update for everyone. Ironically when I was in DDE, we were pushed to work our ascended accounts.

The levels that are "ruining" the game are those that have been over inflated with $.....how many people would have naturally got covert\ac 39 before now? and if someone did, what other area of their account would have gone untouched e.g. MS.

Speaking as someone that's not likely to be getting either cov\ac 39 (or at the very least for a VERY long time) it's this sort of boosting that makes many of us not bother with the game so much. Yes being descended can be annoying...I too was once descended so I know full well - but I only got taken out because I went inactive. I always knew I could stop it happening again for free.

For the comment people keep making about people "needing" time away from the game, was I the only one when I first started to play waking up all hours of the night just to bank? If a brand new game started right now, and there was a LOT of interest in it, I bet everyone would go back to doing this...now everyone that use to play this way has to log in once every 12 hours....

renegadze wrote:

Jedi~Tank wrote:

renegadze wrote:@ JT how about

Ascended- completely join the 2, ppt, vac, bonus in main based on ascended power

Cap planets @ 15b
Cap power ups at 1000- for those over 1000 bring them down to 1000

Cap covert level at 38 -reduce anyone over
Cap AC level at 38 -reduce anyone over
Cap max army size at 300mil- total army including mers..eliminate the plaque aspect.
Cap ms capacities at 250k slots- if any is over bring them down - reduce anyone over
Cap ascensions at 25 (debatable) stay where they are

Now I don't actually agree with any of the above, but since your proposed caps seemed to have little to no effect on your own account I though i'd even it up slightly

and @ your last comment - if you want everything to remain balanced...why keep spending more and more $$ then

So basically your post is not for constructive sake..but more of a shot? typical..I dont care if mine get jacked down 15 notches, howz that? Lets leave the persoanl attacks out of the discussion please and bring ourselves out of the gutter, thank you.

It has been pointed out many times already the caps are not comparible, to simply say "cap everything" shows naivity.

People want TOC's to be less effective, want PPT on ascended when you PPT on main.....these would basically close the ascended server - I know that seems to be your goal, because collectively you guys haven't bothered that much with your ascended accounts - but this would not be an update for everyone. Ironically when I was in DDE, we were pushed to work our ascended accounts.

The levels that are "ruining" the game are those that have been over inflated with $.....how many people would have naturally got covert\ac 39 before now? and if someone did, what other area of their account would have gone untouched e.g. MS.

Speaking as someone that's not likely to be getting either cov\ac 39 (or at the very least for a VERY long time) it's this sort of boosting that makes many of us not bother with the game so much. Yes being descended can be annoying...I too was once descended so I know full well - but I only got taken out because I went inactive. I always knew I could stop it happening again for free.

For the comment people keep making about people "needing" time away from the game, was I the only one when I first started to play waking up all hours of the night just to bank? If a brand new game started right now, and there was a LOT of interest in it, I bet everyone would go back to doing this...now everyone that use to play this way has to log in once every 12 hours....

This is the 3rd time tonight I have had to state this, 2 times as a rebuttle.

$$ is always going to be apart of this and every other game online, its the way it is. What if I decided to spend...say 10k on naq all in 1 go and jack my account even more sick than it already is?

Even the tops couldnt compete and I wouldnt HAVE to be apart of any alliance to dominate...any alliance, I could do and destroy whatever I wanted until there was (has been) enough of an outcry to allow the tops (the few...catered too) to catch up to me via some game changing rule..thus increasing the gap between the tops (us) and the nooblets (new players and smaller accounts) and the cycle continues...regardless if its my alliance m8's, yours, The syndicate, haven, OE or any other..the playing field has got to be leveled to a degree where these members have a chance to compete..regardless of the current alignements and wars the fact is before us ALL, this game is out of balance and it is not feasable to bring new people in and HIGHLY unlikely anyone will stay once they learn what the real deal is. Thats the facts guys you cannot disguise it or get away from it.

The lack of new blood to an alliance is the eventual death of that alliance, and its GAMEWIDE. You dont see alliances expanding due to new members save a few here and there, no, they are expanding due to merges of already existing players and the disbandment of longstanding alliances due to this very thing...lack of new players. Bottom line. Capping this **Filtered** will help very much, its basic management, you cap growth until your company catches up to itself then you raise the cap based on necessarry demand.

Yet you spend more $$ then most Do you not see yourself as a walking contradiction? Maybe try setting an example for others by cutting back on what you spend