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Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:29 am
by ~Phoenix~
Munchy wrote:~Phoenix~ wrote:"Allows big players to keep there advantage with the massive armies"
False, try reading the topic.
Well with levels being cheaper, but not affecting things as much, the more army you have to spend, the better the result will be, plus the more you will be able to covert..stronger you get..ect.
Doesnt do much good when people make 2mil uu mroe then you per day, it would take weeks to make that DMU to do that, and ontop fo that they have mroe income due to producrtion levels.
How about this, everyone who ascended more then a year ago as their last gets 3mil app?
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:36 am
by Munchy
~Phoenix~ wrote:Munchy wrote:~Phoenix~ wrote:"Allows big players to keep there advantage with the massive armies"
False, try reading the topic.
Well with levels being cheaper, but not affecting things as much, the more army you have to spend, the better the result will be, plus the more you will be able to covert..stronger you get..ect.
Doesnt do much good when people make 2mil uu mroe then you per day, it would take weeks to make that DMU to do that, and ontop fo that they have mroe income due to producrtion levels.
How about this, everyone who ascended more then a year ago as their last gets 3mil app?
Ah, so you are angry because your ascension a long time ago don't convert equally into the current amounts? Well I wouldn't mind that, as my last ascension was more than a year ago, and my APP was definitely not 3 mil, but I don't think it would be fair to all. Not that this is 100%..but meh. As High Empty said, his income has doubled. I don't think he is all that worried about his lead

Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:47 am
by ~Phoenix~
Put it this way, to get the naq my ascension for that amount when I did it, took 2 - 3months, I could do it now in 10days.
If I could ascend that is, which i cant because iv already built up because who was expecting something as stupid as this to happen.. apart from etl and omega who know all.
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 5:49 am
by Jack_Q_Neill
i have just now realized that i actually dislike this update more than i like it. contrary to what i wrote before. why?
because a friend of mine who had an account which was about like mine....
i ascended very early. i got only 100k APP. he got 900k APP.... now he has 3 times the UP that i have. how should i catch up to him now?! (i will ascend.... again, and get i don't know how much APP, but by then he will be even further away)

but i guess i may be able to catch him.... or not?!

Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:18 am
by Mordack
I suppose it will certainly 'breathe new life' into the server.. if that's what you wanted, Jason.
It's unfair, though. Like ~Phoenix~ and others have said. Very unfair. Equivalent to government subsidizing. *shrug*
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:21 am
by *~Starry~*
It's not exactly all nice and flowery for the people who ascended recently.
I didn't have SS when I ascended, I ascended with everything I had.
1 mil army seemed like a lot...;
But...
My APP was only at 100k.. when I first ascended.
But after 1 month of using up my turns everyday. Test raiding every one from rank 500 and down...
Getting massed in main for farming on ascended.
I managed to get my UP to 11k etc.
Now, it's so easy, that all my effort has gone to waste. The new APP might help me in the long run... but I doubt it...
The only people it help are the people who are decently strong in main.
It has crippled the little people who have tried so hard before the updates.
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:30 am
by grimgor
phonix does have a point
the exchange rate is now 33.39 times bigger
and also the power up are now 20 times cheaper (not 100% sure)
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:37 am
by ~Phoenix~
Keio wrote:It's not exactly all nice and flowery for the people who ascended recently.
I didn't have SS when I ascended, I ascended with everything I had.
1 mil army seemed like a lot...;
But...
My APP was only at 100k.. when I first ascended.
But after 1 month of using up my turns everyday. Test raiding every one from rank 500 and down...
Getting massed in main for farming on ascended.
I managed to get my UP to 11k etc.
Now, it's so easy, that all my effort has gone to waste. The new APP might help me in the long run... but I doubt it...
The only people it help are the people who are decently strong in main.
It has crippled the little people who have tried so hard before the updates.
Wrong becuase you are a young player who can ascend again and again and still get 5% boosts n stuff. You're only just starting, try playing it for 2years. I cant ascend without losing tons and tons of UU because im nearly at 140mil and the cap is at 50mil for recieving UU's.
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:46 am
by Mukasa
~Phoenix~ wrote:Put it this way, to get the naq my ascension for that amount when I did it, took 2 - 3months, I could do it now in 10days.
If I could ascend that is, which i cant because iv already built up because who was expecting something as stupid as this to happen.. apart from etl and omega who know all.
how about you stop whining already? u just whine whine whine....this way ppl will be able to catch up with big ones..what? u mad because ppl will catch up with ya and pass ya? so what? try harder and they won't pass ya....how come you always whine? HE doubled his income...dunno why u can't? you always just whine saying it's unfair to big guys....so when was it fair for you big guys? when update came out and enabled you and ur big friends to grow faster than average players grow?
so it would be better that ppl like u with millions of uu gained per day on ascended grow liek that and we smaller ones have to ascendf with 200k raw up 6 times to TRY and catch up? and use **Filtered** of uu in main? maybe we could catch up on ascended,but we would be put back on main..this way..ppl can catch up on ascended and main...
and dude...don't say u can't grow much....i just can't believe your one of top players on ascended prolly and u whine u can't grow??? you have any idea how long it will take to catch up? in that time u can grow even more...
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 6:54 am
by Silverburn
hèhè, I looked around a bit on the beta server last week or so, so I'm pretty familiar with the current system.
In general, after having experienced it, it's a good system. Safe. And it will make things better on ascended, i am certain
IF people actually take the time to read it
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:00 am
by TipsY
Forum wrote:... 4) If you wish to DESCEND YOURSELF - ie 'quit ascension' .. you can. You will become a 'Daimon' - basicly a fallen divinity...This is the only race open to fallen ascendeds who chose their own demise...The bonuses are: whatever your ascended account had at the time of banishing yourself, MINUS the ascended blessing (so no unique tech to this race.) You maintain full bonuses in att/def/income/cov and your weapon strengths...From this race, you can choose a fully mortal race, or keep this race. No other options. ...
Okay so how will this Daimon look like in the rankings?
Living God of the (demised/descended/fallen divity/whatever) ORI
or like
Fallen Divinity of the Daimons
or what?
Race displayed will be Daimon right?
Race: Daimon
And if you become this, but wish to ascend again. Will there be an option ro "resume" ascending where you left (like if you did 6 ascentions then went Daimon, then you can do your 7th) or do you have to go to normal race and start at 1?
I think it was stated you must go to normal race and start from 1, but how about adding this "resume ascending" thing? Maybe double costs for Daimon to return to ascended plane? Or something.

Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:01 am
by ~Phoenix~
Shut the hell up mukasa you got no idea whats going on. When you get a brain read the forum then you can come and make a point, but until you know what you're talking about shut teh hell up.
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:08 am
by Sinath
Honestly if I were you I would shut your damn mouth about what you know nothing about.
Yep we have all grown somewhat by this but the pissants that never wanted to work hard for it or the mid range players will gain the most from this load of crap. giving more and then lowering the costs to absolute rediculous lvls are one thing but just tossing out the last ascention APP was too much.
You have what 20m troops and have ascended twice? What about the people that planned/prepared and ascended for the last time a year or more ago. If Jason changes how ascention is done in the first place so that your not required to offload the resources you wish to keep on your account after the ascention, or raises the buy/raid cap then problem solved.
But, as it stands now there is no way a higher account in main can ascend right now even if they wished to do so.
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:11 am
by Mukasa
Sinath,no,i won't shut up....i will write what i want to write....
and phoenix...i read ur pm..i'm sorry...and please do explain the situation to me now...
Re: changes in ascension/main going to production
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2007 7:14 am
by Sinath
I'll keep an eye out, but let me know when you come out of pergatory.