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it sucks .... hurts large players ... and hurts smaller ones even more

whereub wrote:it sucks .... hurts large players ... and hurts smaller ones even more

Nope. Hurts larger players with already huge UP. Helps out smaller players with less UP. I think it's a good update. Even though it screws most people up. It slows down the growth of the already huge players with lots of officers.

dazman wrote:

whereub wrote:it sucks .... hurts large players ... and hurts smaller ones even more

Nope. Hurts larger players with already huge UP. Helps out smaller players with less UP. I think it's a good update. Even though it screws most people up. It slows down the growth of the already huge players with lots of officers.

they'll just recruit bigger players with bigger raw UP.

I can't even bring myself to read more than half of the posted messages. The last 4 pages will due but it seems like everyone is saying the same thing over and over again.

IMO.. brings the game a step back to 'classic' where all people had were RAW UPs

I also agree with everyone saying that this is getting pawned off as a 'minor' update. Good stuff I suppose the minor part refers to 'ease' of coding and not how 'game impacting' it is.

And so now comes completion of another 'great' update. See you guys next month when another comes around. I'll list the stages for all you that don't recall what it is. Maybe it'll make some comic relief.

1. (Bad) updates are made.
2. people complain.
3. some time passes, admins ignore cries of reverting back to before.
4. new (sometimes even more outrageous) update occupies to draw attention away from older updates.
5a. If updates are bad, go back to step 2.
5b. If updates are good, people 'forget' or learn to live with the updates.
6. Wait until next bad update comes around. Go back to step 2.

dazman wrote:

whereub wrote:it sucks .... hurts large players ... and hurts smaller ones even more

Nope. Hurts larger players with already huge UP. Helps out smaller players with less UP. I think it's a good update. Even though it screws most people up. It slows down the growth of the already huge players with lots of officers.

I have to say I concur. Yes, I still believe that there are some dubious side effects (the elevated cost of UU). But the majority of the people that this actually hurts are those players big enough to have many officers. Generally speaking this evens the playing field.

And for all the people who say, oh, look at how many people are complaining. Look closely at two things:

1: Out of all the active SGW players, how many frequent the forums? Very few. And even the ones that do read many chose not to post. Generally speaking it's only those who don't like something that will speak out against it-if you like it, or don't care either way you wont usually bother saying anything.

2: Admin gave you a free game. Even if you paid for something at some point, that was your own choice. It's a free game, and admin is god. If I ever felt as bad as some of you are claiming to feel I would a) know that I needed to step back, and live real life a bit more, and b) not bother stressing-but just quit the game. No, I don't always like the effects of the updates. But admin sees everything, he knows what everyones stats are, how they play, he can see most of the implications of each change he makes, and if it weren't for the best he wouldn't have made them. (If you think admin is purposefully screwing with the game then I'd leave now).

So. I didn't really like the effect on me of one portion of the new updates. Generally speaking, it's most likely for the best. If you think its really bad then write up a proper argument against it, well documented. All this screaming "oh noes!!eleventy11!!" would make me keep it just for spite. If you can write up a properly documented argument why that portion of the update is bad for the server as a whole then admin (and the rest of us) will be much more likely to listen to and support you.

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i dont love this update nor do i hate it. i simply dont care about it!
Actually im happy that i can finally catch up a little on all the bigger players who are affected by the plague a bit more now.

the dimension, UP has reached in the past year is horrible enough -with the introduction of planets and the widely acceptance of up circles the game inflation has risen increadibly, having an UP of a mil or more is normal...

so all the moaners out there, be happy "J" didnt change the UP planet rules -which would make way more sense regulating the ingame ressources- but only added this small tweak. (and lets be fair for one sec, giving multiple times a bonus on an already gained bonus is not normal..)

remember: it could have happened worser. so get over it and adapt to the changes.

Trife wrote:I'm not sure if I like this update or not, but for the time being, it is in effect and appears to be here to stay - time to adapt and overcome this change people.

Seconded! Maybe the up-circles was a little to good to be true. Creating units without loosing anything. People will whine for a while but in a week or so people have adapted.

I disagree to these new BS rules.
how in hell dose this help in any way n WHO the frack suggested it.
p.s what is the now current point of having a CO or officer. there is nothing to gain.

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Seriously, one wonders how the game got so popular in the first place since going back to the "original" raw UP bonus is such a gamebraking and gamekilling update hehe... You lot got very greedy me thinks.

Big UPs and circles are hurt much more than the smaller ones. I cant reay see how this hurts ppl catching up. And it seems to me the update promotes having multiple officers built up to a solid raw than opposed to just 1 or 2. The inflation is hurting the game too and if this makes UUs scarcer and more valuable than that`s only a positive...

I realise people are unhappy but atleast have the cahones to say you hate it cos it fecks up your UP and don`t have the gaul to keep going on about how it hurts the little guys trying to catch up lol.

hmmmm actualy did some math, and while i can see that ppl dont like the update, i dont see how it hurts small players.. it actualy helps them:

1. the total up remains the same the only difference is officers get to keep more of theirs comanders get less of the officers.

2. there for it makes them grow faster, oposed to big fat guys alteady
huge growing faster ( i ve heard some1 lost up to 1.5mil up....)

3. one may argue that due to the change ppl wont have officers no more, but i remember ppl having officers be4 the planets were introduced.. so i m guessing that wont change drasticly. If a person doesnt have officers after this, it only means that he was an egoistic prick who only cared about up, and not "helping" the officers.



on the reference to attack planets not "hurting" lol i loose about 3mil uu a day farming, so ya totaly no losses youre right
on a side note funny i never remembered gaining any attack from my officers attack planet

Still all that being said i dont think the update was the best way to go and will probably get reversed, but ppl should realy stop talking bs that aint true

blahh wrote: i never remembered gaining any attack from my officers attack planet

<sarcasm>
really? you don't gain from that? how unfair!! we should all write admin and complain... and maybe make lots of forum posts saying how he's ruining the game! coz that will teach him to not make this free game fair for everyone...
</sarcasm>

(you know, I hate that I know I have to explicitly state that I'm being sarcastic?)

That is right. If we put it in 'perspective'; The 'smaller' players are allowed to 'catch up' to the bigger ones. (No sarcasm intended in the entire post, it is just that some terms are relative.)

Bigger players used to have say.. 1 mill UP.

A smaller one would say have 100k UP

If both of them lost 50 percent of the UP due to the update;

500k for the bigger one; 50k for the smaller one.

What it used to be that the bigger one was growing 900k difference in UU per day, it has shrunk to 450k difference.

I know it is a very GENERAL example.. smaller players usually don't have Officers so I would also say that they would lose less UP. I myself had like ... at most 150k total.. yea I know pathetic.

ThunderCat wrote:This is a MINOR update????????????

Tells about what will be major ones!!!

dazman wrote:

whereub wrote:it sucks .... hurts large players ... and hurts smaller ones even more

Nope. Hurts larger players with already huge UP. Helps out smaller players with less UP. I think it's a good update. Even though it screws most people up. It slows down the growth of the already huge players with lots of officers.

I lost 1/3 of my UP, 40k or so, I just ascend and have a 28k UP raw, another update along with the weapon sale update one for screwing up ascension. I think admin might do it as he realized he made ascended too "easy", so now he makes it worthless to ascend in main.

blahh wrote:hmmmm actualy did some math, and while i can see that ppl dont like the update, i dont see how it hurts small players.. it actualy helps them:

1. the total up remains the same the only difference is officers get to keep more of theirs comanders get less of the officers.

2. there for it makes them grow faster, oposed to big fat guys alteady
huge growing faster ( i ve heard some1 lost up to 1.5mil up....)

3. one may argue that due to the change ppl wont have officers no more, but i remember ppl having officers be4 the planets were introduced.. so i m guessing that wont change drasticly. If a person doesnt have officers after this, it only means that he was an egoistic prick who only cared about up, and not "helping" the officers.



on the reference to attack planets not "hurting" lol i loose about 3mil uu a day farming, so ya totaly no losses youre right
on a side note funny i never remembered gaining any attack from my officers attack planet

Still all that being said i dont think the update was the best way to go and will probably get reversed, but ppl should realy stop talking bs that aint true

In your books I'm a small player: around 30mil army, I lost like 1/3 of my UP, just ascended, can't rebuild my raw of 55k which was good when this stupid update wasn't here, was able to get 200k total and it was growing quickly. Could have reached 400 or 500k total in not too long.
When you are a) in a war versus many strong and experienced people and you are few against them and b) you just ascended and had not much left as you spent all to mass before ascending and rest to buy back some covert level or store for future repairs, I fail to see how this one can help?!?

When you are a) in a war versus many strong and experienced people and you are few against them and b) you just ascended and had not much left as you spent all to mass before ascending and rest to buy back some covert level or store for future repairs, I fail to see how this one can help?!?

So you`re saying it`s a bad update cos a) you are poor at picking battles and b) you didn`t save up enough for your ascension? Just what update would help you, other than one parking naq in your bank? Makes sense lol...

It`s allways "me me me" innit ppl heh...

cyberblade wrote:

blahh wrote: i never remembered gaining any attack from my officers attack planet

<sarcasm>
really? you don't gain from that? how unfair!! we should all write admin and complain... and maybe make lots of forum posts saying how he's ruining the game! coz that will teach him to not make this free game fair for everyone...
</sarcasm>

(you know, I hate that I know I have to explicitly state that I'm being sarcastic?)

didnt cross my mind, its not how things are ment to work i have my own planets and expect to benifit from them, dont expect to benifit from others ppls planets thoug that would be silly
I wasnt the one cryn in here.

@Apop i lost a third of my up too, was getting ready to build up some more serious up when i m done ascending myself and am rethinking that position atm... like i said i dont like this update (or at least this part of an update) no more than any1 here.

I m just sayn there is a thing to be said about objectivity and not just piling up stuf that isnt true.