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blahh wrote:@tekki only breafly read the text from what i gathered...

1. i never said aeu leadership didnt lie to us, i was the one you lied to about the whole zion thing or do you forget your 2h **Filtered** on how we are bad guys cause we didnt ask you be4 involving you cause we assumed connection between you and the janitors and so on... 2 days later screenshots of zion forums confirmed you pledging full support of aeu 2 months be4 that to taking down tle...

LOL again your memory is faulty. You and I had a private conversation a little while back. We were dicussing amoungst other things 'timing'. While we were with Zion, there were members of Zion looking for other ways around war. AEU was one such. And we were seeking a NAP with TL. If that had gone though - which they were voting on it when TLE declared war, then well things would have been different. Now one does not exactly tell a potential enemy that they are planning a war - which may or may not happen because at that point in time the war was not certain. A NAP would have caused the cessation of the possibility of a war, AS would reasonable farming limits.

So lieing to you? I think not.

Or I could equally say that TL lied to AEU in discussing a NAP with us, while planning a war. Especially since TL attacked while the NAP discussion was still going.

Works both ways in this.

blahh wrote:2. farm aeu was never our policy never a policy i set out so no idea what youre on, our general policy was do what you please, as long as you folow naps and the few basic rules that tdl has youre ok (that was the general idea of tdl, as much freedom as posible)... IF aeu wasnt under a nap... than yes members were permited to farm them, like any other alliance that wasnt naped... IF they chose so its their own decision.

You might want to go read what your former 2IC said then. He was very straightforward with the comment.

blahh wrote:3. My information loop doesnt contain only severian but several of your ex members, so dont give me ballsheet...

Oh which ex-members? Gothy - who decided to turn traitor mid war and allowed her account to be used against us. Goodie - another traitor who can't tell the truth from BS.... Um am I missing anyone yet? Oh wait Tanith.... yep I'd trust him lots.... Not. Now while some of them did have positions of authority within AEU none of them ever got into the over all HC, hence they never saw a few things that would have opened their eyes.

You claim that to get into AEU that you had to hate FUALL? LOL silly. Several membres were great friends with various FUALL members whihc never caused us any hassles. That question was not about FUALL or TLE or anyone else, it was about super-empires generic.

blahh wrote:4. The tribute was not something i made up, nor was the 70tril, i consented to it thoug i deemed it too low comapred to the bs propaganda you and rest of aeu annoyed me with during the zion war... and the tribute was the reflection of your attitude towards us... (aka you hated us be4... remember you pledged yourself and your alliance - with or without their consent to destory us about 6 months be4 the tribute was in place so again **Filtered**...)

Oh I remember what I did. I also remember what you did. I fail to see the difference though between my pledge on AEU's behalf and the SAME pledges by the then EPA, Mayhem, Aeon Kings, etc etc.... So what made us different? Nothing. Only TLE's dislike, which levied a 70trillion tribute, which in turn lead to dislike from AEU to TLE.

You were the leader of TLE at the time. You could have set the tribute to a fair and equitable amount similar to the other alliances. You did not. You chose instead to push AEU into a position where they could feel nothing but resentment for TLE and their moral weakness. All you did to us was prove that TLE were not anything special and were the bullies that they had pretended they would not become.

Tell me, what exactly did you think a 70trillion tribute was going to lead to? AEU thinking that TLE was honourable and respectable? Or that TLE were just a bunch of cry babies who need others naq to recover from a war they were provoking by over farming?

YOUR actions lead to the resentment, NOTHING more. You can claim all you want that it was something else but it was TLE's actions that lead to resentment, when you were specifically warned not to let it go that far. (I find it amusing to note now that Severian's planets specifically indicate this now. Perhaps you are learning, perhaps not.)

You know given that TLE tended to focus on attacking AEU and FAHQ, maybe you just don't like women leaders? Might be the reason you went with TA and some of their mysogynist leaders.

blahh wrote:5. And if you realy wanna explore the real reason for you lads hating us, i m only speculating here but i m guessin its cause the AE TL merger didnt go through as you hoped, and you worked quite a bit on it, while we had split oppinions in our senate on how to procede with mergers in general (some of us wanted to keep it small..) thus was stalled alot and in the end never happened.

Yep you are speculating and you are wrong. While we wanted answers from TLE we never got them from TLE about the merger. AEU always worked on it and TLE always promised answers but never delivered. Not even the an answer that we are still discussing. Other bits of documentation and stuff never happened either that were supposedly going to be done by TLE. You might want to ask Svarun about those....

But that is not the reason for AE coming to dislike TLE. By the time you found yourselves a nice subservient alliance who was willing to do anything to ally with you - Foundation of Evil - we'd gotten over that. You guys just seem to think it was what caused stuff.

What caused the dislike is the lack of respect and the 70trillion tribute. Plain and simple. That and the fact that you were targetting AEU with farming. You can deny it as much as you want, but we both know that you personally avoided some alliances - EOB spring to mind, while you did target AEU. You do not hit an alliance or a group of alliances 15plus times a day by accident. Nor do you hit someone who is ranked 1000 then someone ranked 3000 within a minute of each other if you are only 'going through the ranks' as you claimed.

Now then there is fact that you personally broke the NAP early. But we won't go into that.

Like it or not Blahh, the fact that TLE saw fit to spread their own BS around, along with the never ending interferrance with our actions - Taxxy's vendetta, TSA/MA war, you guys being 'paid' to mass some of our members - that just kept cementing the fact that AEU had no reason to trust or like TLE.

blahh wrote:6. on the leadership, i guess youre right, i am not the best leader, but than again i never wanted to be a leader was always "pushed" in that position, I guess its my general dislike for polictics from RL thats partialy the reason for that... but you work with what you can i guess.

You chose not to involve yourself in the politics, which just lead to more distrust and dislike of TLE as various others were doing and saying things in the name of TLE. Your action or perhaps lack of action was the case of dislike, simply because with the lack of respect and the levelling of a tribute that was oppressive, what else did you think was going to happen?

TLE obviously never really took note of the things they claim were done to them by COP/FUALL or whoever, because the first thing they did, as soon as they got any mote of power, was to repeat them on someone else.

blahh wrote:hope it covers it all night

Not really. Only shows that you never understood the consequences of your actions. Something I guess, or rather I hope you are learning now but I'm not hoping too much.

we hate you all because you represent the game and yourselves in a negative fashion. I used to like you..cant remember when tho, but now, eh your just another opponent.

Tekki wrote:

blahh wrote:@tekki only breafly read the text from what i gathered...

1. i never said aeu leadership didnt lie to us, i was the one you lied to about the whole zion thing or do you forget your 2h **Filtered** on how we are bad guys cause we didnt ask you be4 involving you cause we assumed connection between you and the janitors and so on... 2 days later screenshots of zion forums confirmed you pledging full support of aeu 2 months be4 that to taking down tle...

LOL again your memory is faulty. You and I had a private conversation a little while back. We were dicussing amoungst other things 'timing'. While we were with Zion, there were members of Zion looking for other ways around war. AEU was one such. And we were seeking a NAP with TL. If that had gone though - which they were voting on it when TLE declared war, then well things would have been different. Now one does not exactly tell a potential enemy that they are planning a war - which may or may not happen because at that point in time the war was not certain. A NAP would have caused the cessation of the possibility of a war, AS would reasonable farming limits.

So lieing to you? I think not.

Or I could equally say that TL lied to AEU in discussing a NAP with us, while planning a war. Especially since TL attacked while the NAP discussion was still going.

Works both ways in this.

blahh wrote:2. farm aeu was never our policy never a policy i set out so no idea what youre on, our general policy was do what you please, as long as you folow naps and the few basic rules that tdl has youre ok (that was the general idea of tdl, as much freedom as posible)... IF aeu wasnt under a nap... than yes members were permited to farm them, like any other alliance that wasnt naped... IF they chose so its their own decision.

You might want to go read what your former 2IC said then. He was very straightforward with the comment.

blahh wrote:3. My information loop doesnt contain only severian but several of your ex members, so dont give me ballsheet...

Oh which ex-members? Gothy - who decided to turn traitor mid war and allowed her account to be used against us. Goodie - another traitor who can't tell the truth from BS.... Um am I missing anyone yet? Oh wait Tanith.... yep I'd trust him lots.... Not. Now while some of them did have positions of authority within AEU none of them ever got into the over all HC, hence they never saw a few things that would have opened their eyes.

You claim that to get into AEU that you had to hate FUALL? LOL silly. Several membres were great friends with various FUALL members whihc never caused us any hassles. That question was not about FUALL or TLE or anyone else, it was about super-empires generic.

blahh wrote:4. The tribute was not something i made up, nor was the 70tril, i consented to it thoug i deemed it too low comapred to the bs propaganda you and rest of aeu annoyed me with during the zion war... and the tribute was the reflection of your attitude towards us... (aka you hated us be4... remember you pledged yourself and your alliance - with or without their consent to destory us about 6 months be4 the tribute was in place so again **Filtered**...)

Oh I remember what I did. I also remember what you did. I fail to see the difference though between my pledge on AEU's behalf and the SAME pledges by the then EPA, Mayhem, Aeon Kings, etc etc.... So what made us different? Nothing. Only TLE's dislike, which levied a 70trillion tribute, which in turn lead to dislike from AEU to TLE.

You were the leader of TLE at the time. You could have set the tribute to a fair and equitable amount similar to the other alliances. You did not. You chose instead to push AEU into a position where they could feel nothing but resentment for TLE and their moral weakness. All you did to us was prove that TLE were not anything special and were the bullies that they had pretended they would not become.

Tell me, what exactly did you think a 70trillion tribute was going to lead to? AEU thinking that TLE was honourable and respectable? Or that TLE were just a bunch of cry babies who need others naq to recover from a war they were provoking by over farming?

YOUR actions lead to the resentment, NOTHING more. You can claim all you want that it was something else but it was TLE's actions that lead to resentment, when you were specifically warned not to let it go that far. (I find it amusing to note now that Severian's planets specifically indicate this now. Perhaps you are learning, perhaps not.)

You know given that TLE tended to focus on attacking AEU and FAHQ, maybe you just don't like women leaders? Might be the reason you went with TA and some of their mysogynist leaders.

blahh wrote:5. And if you realy wanna explore the real reason for you lads hating us, i m only speculating here but i m guessin its cause the AE TL merger didnt go through as you hoped, and you worked quite a bit on it, while we had split oppinions in our senate on how to procede with mergers in general (some of us wanted to keep it small..) thus was stalled alot and in the end never happened.

Yep you are speculating and you are wrong. While we wanted answers from TLE we never got them from TLE about the merger. AEU always worked on it and TLE always promised answers but never delivered. Not even the an answer that we are still discussing. Other bits of documentation and stuff never happened either that were supposedly going to be done by TLE. You might want to ask Svarun about those....

But that is not the reason for AE coming to dislike TLE. By the time you found yourselves a nice subservient alliance who was willing to do anything to ally with you - Foundation of Evil - we'd gotten over that. You guys just seem to think it was what caused stuff.

What caused the dislike is the lack of respect and the 70trillion tribute. Plain and simple. That and the fact that you were targetting AEU with farming. You can deny it as much as you want, but we both know that you personally avoided some alliances - EOB spring to mind, while you did target AEU. You do not hit an alliance or a group of alliances 15plus times a day by accident. Nor do you hit someone who is ranked 1000 then someone ranked 3000 within a minute of each other if you are only 'going through the ranks' as you claimed.

Now then there is fact that you personally broke the NAP early. But we won't go into that.

Like it or not Blahh, the fact that TLE saw fit to spread their own BS around, along with the never ending interferrance with our actions - Taxxy's vendetta, TSA/MA war, you guys being 'paid' to mass some of our members - that just kept cementing the fact that AEU had no reason to trust or like TLE.

blahh wrote:6. on the leadership, i guess youre right, i am not the best leader, but than again i never wanted to be a leader was always "pushed" in that position, I guess its my general dislike for polictics from RL thats partialy the reason for that... but you work with what you can i guess.

You chose not to involve yourself in the politics, which just lead to more distrust and dislike of TLE as various others were doing and saying things in the name of TLE. Your action or perhaps lack of action was the case of dislike, simply because with the lack of respect and the levelling of a tribute that was oppressive, what else did you think was going to happen?

TLE obviously never really took note of the things they claim were done to them by COP/FUALL or whoever, because the first thing they did, as soon as they got any mote of power, was to repeat them on someone else.

blahh wrote:hope it covers it all night

Not really. Only shows that you never understood the consequences of your actions. Something I guess, or rather I hope you are learning now but I'm not hoping too much.

OMG people take this **Filtered** way too serious goddam there is more important in life.....like dam good sex!!!!

AuraX wrote: OMG people take this **Filtered** way too serious goddam there is more important in life.....like dam good sex!!!!

And here I thought I was being rather short and concise, compared to certain TLE scribes.

Aww she lubs me!

Of course I lub you. Now come off PPT so I can show you how much

Tekki wrote:Of course I lub you. Now come off PPT so I can show you how much

Why are you not on MSN, oh wait. Mine is dead.

Also, read ingame mail Tekki.

@tekk

Obviusly for one you do not understand how tle functions, i was given "comand" of tle in the zion war simply because i was among the most active senators in that time. The command was, limited to decisions that couldnt wait for a senate discusion, tribute was not one of them, like i said if it was up to me i d make it double or triple that, but thats cause i m a bastard.

what my "ex 2ic" posted, i cant recall, but in either case he was not posting a policy, simply because there was no farm aeu policy... if he didnt like you, than yeah probably he farmed you, that being his decision as a member maybe a few others had similar ones... like i said you did some on your part to earn our dislike... and like i pointed out, all are free to decide what they wanna do.

as for the rest of ranting, you can blame me all you want, i dont loose sleep over night cause of it, but you give me way too much credit.

and on "why we went with TA and so on"... well TA had good relations with us since day 1 of tl... as well they they helped us when we needed them the most... while AE policy by zaphors own words was (at that point he was the head of it) let them kill eachother, and we use the time to grow and take #1 spot. So you see basis like that were not good foundations for a good relationship, yet we tried we talked even discussed merger.

the whole logic.. how do you have the face to talk about nap while pledging to destory some1... you were lieing to one side, either us or zion... that seems a bit... manipulative i recon but you could name it having options ok...

as for how cop treated us... we never realy complained, we had no treatman from cop, as well there was not enough time to even begin a posibility of a relationship either way friendy or unfriendly... day 3 from creation of TL they hit us as they deemed us "trouble"... and they got burned for it. So you cant raaly compare us to cop, as well i personaly recall diplomatic talks going on about the posibility of a merger for at least 2months or so maybe slow.. but you werent squashed on day 3


now realy theres no need for all of this, like aura points it out its just a game, and i shall happily stop making this posts, as i dont realy have the time and energy for them, but please refrain from posting bs.

blahh wrote:@tekk

Obviusly for one you do not understand how tle functions, i was given "comand" of tle in the zion war simply because i was among the most active senators in that time. The command was, limited to decisions that couldnt wait for a senate discusion, tribute was not one of them, like i said if it was up to me i d make it double or triple that, but thats cause i m a **Filtered**.

what my "ex 2ic" posted, i cant recall, but in either case he was not posting a policy, simply because there was no farm aeu policy... if he didnt like you, than yeah probably he farmed you, that being his decision as a member maybe a few others had similar ones... like i said you did some on your part to earn our dislike... and like i pointed out, all are free to decide what they wanna do.

as for the rest of ranting, you can blame me all you want, i dont loose sleep over night cause of it, but you give me way too much credit.

and on "why we went with TA and so on"... well TA had good relations with us since day 1 of tl... as well they they helped us when we needed them the most... while AE policy by zaphors own words was (at that point he was the head of it) let them kill eachother, and we use the time to grow and take #1 spot. So you see basis like that were not good foundations for a good relationship, yet we tried we talked even discussed merger.

the whole logic.. how do you have the face to talk about nap while pledging to destory some1... you were lieing to one side, either us or zion... that seems a bit... manipulative i recon but you could name it having options ok...

as for how cop treated us... we never realy complained, we had no treatman from cop, as well there was not enough time to even begin a posibility of a relationship either way friendy or unfriendly... day 3 from creation of TL they hit us as they deemed us "trouble"... and they got burned for it. So you cant raaly compare us to cop, as well i personaly recall diplomatic talks going on about the posibility of a merger for at least 2months or so maybe slow.. but you werent squashed on day 3


now realy theres no need for all of this, like aura points it out its just a game, and i shall happily stop making this posts, as i dont realy have the time and energy for them, but please refrain from posting bs.

@the yakkity one.

Never complained how COP treated us? Right.... what about the blathering from FOE, or are you trying to say they aren't a part of TLE now? When some members blather and complain you might as well accept the fact that it can be attributed to TLE. And in that way I am actually more disappointed in them - FOE - because they let the 'injustice' they claimed to happen again, this time they were participating as the perpetrators of the injustice.

Zaphor's policy was let them kill each other, true - however we DID actually support TL during the war. Ask your deleted friend eXtremer as we dealt only with him and boy! was his memory short. Whether you noticed or not he got gifts of naq and ATs when he asked for them.

You may say that there is no need for all of this but I disagree. There is need for it until you understand. Something you seem almost afraid of doing in your quest to consider yourself completely blameless.

Your ex 2IC never farmed me. None of you did. You didn't have the guts to actually farm me personally or mass me outside of a war. Instead you farmed my alliance. You did personally. Zeshy-boy only trailed along behind you as I recall, killing spies and stuff like that. The things that lead to no losses.

the whole logic.. how do you have the face to talk about nap while pledging to destory some1... you were lieing to one side, either us or zion... that seems a bit... manipulative i recon but you could name it having options ok...

This bit is quite nice. How do you guys have the face to go to war with someone while voting on a NAP? Because you like me were doing what was best for your alliance. Or did I miss the memo to AEU about TL going to war when they were voting on a NAP? Obviously I must have.

I was representing the best interests of AEU, nothing more, nothing less. At the time it was seen that a war was inevitable but such things are subject to change and change was perhaps slowly happening only to be cut short by TLE aggression and then the possibility destroyed by TLE arrogance, bullying and interference.

I do take heart to notice though that you haven't denied several points, especially about EOB and a few other things. Slowly slowly progress is being made here. We may yet get to the heart of the BS TLE have posted for so long.

As for comparing you to COP, of course I can. I recall somewhere that TLE once made the statement that they would not become another 'super-empire'.... I guess that went west at some stage, probably when you tried to talk mergers and then never responded.

Then of course let's not forget Raven_'s 'idea'. We form a FMA with TAF, EPA and AEU, with TLE as the silent partner in it. That was amusing to say the least. Though I must admit, that one went no where fast.

You claim to be blameless but you shoulder at least some of the responsibility as the senior TLE leader at the time. Your actions, your decisions. As for you being a well... filtered... hmm who was it who was telling me he wasn't in charge of tribute because he was too nice? Oh well... I guess you failed to exercise your discretion there, and in doing so, merely pushed almost all of an alliance into resentment of TLE and all the twisted and corrupted ideals they stand for.

So when you do stuff its ok since you have the best AEU interest at heart and when we do whats best for us and not AEU (like not giving you a nap) we have twisted and corrupted ideals heh? Either way its very amusing mincing words of ideals etc. with you, since you change geopoliticall allegiances and political persuations on a near monthly basis.



As for the point of TLE "corruption" in becoming a "super alliance" thus negating "what we/they stood for".... One would have thought you had moved on past the trauma of TL not living up to your personal expectation/agenda for it. After all this time still a sowerpuss. And the hillarios thing is you having the gaul to condemn TLE for "emulating/matching" the block they fought when you`ve sold out to them and fight under the banner you "swore" to fight right after you bring one the TLE one lol. I trust the OE roundtable is in a round room so that everyone has their backs towards the wall, I know I`d ask to be seated thus.
As far as TLEs size goes... I call organizations like FUA a super alliance. and its counterpart TJP was only created when, 2-3 weeks prior to the war. Before that you had 4 alliances in TLE. Each alliance added in response to keep pace with OE/DDE expansions and mergers. After te war CIA disbanded, CoP just went underground for a while and never went away. For all intents and purposes within a month DD players mostly ended up back in FUA alliances + they added new ones. You seriously expected TL to stay dormant whilst they grew? Action, reaction. We swam else we would have drowned. Made friends, made 1 merger. And in the time TLE gathered 100ish members FUA was at 500 with all its satelites. So dont cry about "super alliances" miss change tune & jump on the percieved gravy train mkay. Your`re like bush saying to putin we dont change regiemes by force in the 21st century. Hillariously hypocritical.
But you do belong there. Ever crying over the percieved injustice of a challenge to the hemogeny of your banners rule and the gaul of others doing what you do; what`s best for them, tekki be damned. That "corrupt ideal" does seem to land us in wars other ppl start or plan but then claim they`re TLEs fault thoe. Go figure heh.

but hey, I`m sure it was areses fault too. Those damn provocaters. We all know fua dont start shait out of their god complexes and inability to share the sandbox so that must be the only logical explanation eh?

oh would you all just stop it with the pseudo-politics?

it's really childish and immature ... i mean really ... it's just sad to see what this has become ...

I refuse to read any of the long posts.

This is hereby a strike! Type it simply.

"FUALL dislikes TLE."

"TLE dislikes FUALL."

Is it that hard?!

Or you peeps could just avoid these long posts... you can identify a wall of text and a response to it and I dunno skip it? Can you give it a rest with a "give it a rest" heh? To each hisown. Be like rek and post smileys if you want but why should all be like you... I`m tired off people frowning and in some cases ridiculing "long posts". So skip`em ffs. Or did gallileo frack up and the world infact revolves around you lot and some shouldnt post cos they tend to write paragraphs of things you dont wanna hear?
Allways when things get "interesting" a curumo skips around diverting attention from a good vendetta fight. I`m tired of you raining on our hate parade y`hear!

I'm tired of having to read a wall of text Severian style. Trying to point out every key detail as if it existed. Most of times, it doesn't.

If you want to say something, simplify it. So people give a damn. Instead of posting 5000 different ways to say it. That is what I am saying.

I read some, I skip some. But damn, give it a rest once in a while. PMs work wonders. Just like Severian did to me one time. Very long.. but still worth a read and a reply as it was directed to me.

Who da frack are you for sev. to tailor his posting to your "liking" noobert? What, we all post for you here or what?

I dont give a shait about 95% of things you post but I dont ask you to take a hike off the forum cos I cant be arsed to scroll over to the post after yours do I. I skip your damn posts, that`s what I do. Do. The. Same. If. You. Have. A. Problem. Reading. Longer. Post. And. Formulated. Chains. Of. Thought. Or. Bickering. About. Ingame. Politics. Mkay?

Fecking babies "I want, I want, I dont want, do this will ya, I dont like yadda yadda yadda..."