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Thriller wrote:He's just trolling, prolly will get a warning soon.

Mister Sandman wrote:This topic has gone off topic.

As restating before, both should be taught as both are.

Kit-Fox wrote:Ohh lordy loo, look what the cat dragged in the tired old 'you have to have a faith if your alive' argument

No you dont, not everyone has a faith, it is eminently possible to live without one.

Please stop projecting your insecurities onto the rest of us, thanks. You or anyone else wants to believe or have a faith fine thats up to you, dont try and force it onto those of us who dont want/need it

Thriller wrote:Unless your god: then you can make something out nothing.

right, sandman

Brdavs wrote:

Mister Sandman wrote:This topic has gone off topic.

As restating before, both should be taught as both are.

Amen brother.

But only one of them is a scientific theory.

Which is a big "detail" in the context of the discussion of having them equated in science class, dont you agree?

Mister Sandman wrote:

Kit-Fox wrote:Ohh lordy loo, look what the cat dragged in the tired old 'you have to have a faith if your alive' argument

No you dont, not everyone has a faith, it is eminently possible to live without one.

Please stop projecting your insecurities onto the rest of us, thanks. You or anyone else wants to believe or have a faith fine thats up to you, dont try and force it onto those of us who dont want/need it

See definition of faith:
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–noun
1. confidence or trust in a person or thing: faith in another's ability.
2. belief that is not based on proof: He had faith that the hypothesis would be substantiated by fact.
3. belief in God or in the doctrines or teachings of religion: the firm faith of the Pilgrims.
4. belief in anything, as a code of ethics, standards of merit, etc.: to be of the same faith with someone concerning honesty.
5. a system of religious belief: the Christian faith; the Jewish faith.
6. the obligation of loyalty or fidelity to a person, promise, engagement, etc.: Failure to appear would be breaking faith.
7. the observance of this obligation; fidelity to one's promise, oath, allegiance, etc.: He was the only one who proved his faith during our recent troubles.[/spoiler]


Gathering by the range of definitions provided. Everyone has a faith.
Even in having no faith is still a faith.

I am not forcing you, I am telling you. You have a choice in what faith you have. But you do have a faith.

Thriller wrote:Unless your god: then you can make something out nothing.

right, sandman

Oh, but no human is God. God is God. God can do anything.

Brdavs wrote:

Mister Sandman wrote:This topic has gone off topic.

As restating before, both should be taught as both are.

Amen brother.

But only one of them is a scientific theory.

Which is a big "detail" in the context of the discussion of having them equated in science class, dont you agree?

Agreed to extents, many regard creationism as true science. One must regard as science being "knowledge" comming from the latin word of scientia.

Indeed, there is such thing as theistic evolution. So for a real objective view, all side of evolution must be taught showing all limitations in the theory and presumable '''facts'''. To clarify, evolution should not be taught as disproof of God. For God cannot be disproven. And evolution cannot explain the ironic term used 'creation' or 'beginning'.

Even in having no faith is still a faith.

Kit-Fox wrote:Well according to that definition I dont have any faith at all, thanks for confirming that.

Then I would say, you are not in the right mind. Do you believe that you are human? or Living? To say you don't believe or don't have faith, to these questions. Firstly proves, you have a faith(non faith is a faith) , and secondly questions your sanity. If you do believe or have faith to these questions, then it proves you do have a faith.

Please stop ok, your trying to tell us all that we must all believe in something, when it is quite obvious to all except you that humans do not need belief or faith to live.

I'm not telling you must believe in something. I'm saying you do.

Stop ascribing your religous beliefs onto the rest of us.
Believe what you want. (Love the irony) I am not forcing my beliefs upon you. I am just stating my view point and logic.

Its offensive and insulting and just down right annoying, especially when we know about ourselves and if we have faith or belief or not & you havent a clue about us in any shape or form.

Only because you let it offend you. And, what is it to you that I have faith and speak it freely. I have my rights.

Kit-Fox wrote:Still not getting it, not a single one of those definitions applies. Nice try though. Your worse than the taliban, at least they accept not everyone believes the same as them and that people can exist without believing in anything.

You must be blind and a racist.

4. belief in anything,


Oh & I'd point out that as neither a mod nor the thread creator its hardly up to you to tell me what is or isnt on topic and when to stop posting.

It is off topic


EDIT: and besides your confusing the issue with your definition of faith as you know damn well I was talking about religious faith and faith in any kind of god, rather than say faith in the legal system.

Everyone has a belief. (you still cant comprehend that a non belief is still a belief). Religious faith or faith in the legal system is basically the same thing. It is a belief. (Ironically the majority of the legal system is comprised out of the Bible and religious texts(dependant on the country))

Nice confusing of the issue at hand, typical of religious zealots

EDIT2: and make no mistake by your insistance that every person alive has to have faith you are forcing your views onto me and everyone else. There is no irony in my complaining about that as I dont care if you have faith, just dont force your faith onto me like you are doing.

Where am I forcing you? I'm not saying you have to have the same faith. So I am no forcing you. It must be all in your mind.

Your also still telling me about myself, can you not see how unbelievabley arrogant that is? You have no clue about me at all & yet you are telling me I have faith, dude where exactly do you get off? How could you possibley know if I have faith or not in anything, you cant, so dont tell me about me thanks.Because it is a logical fact, that everyone has faith. Wether it be in God, Science or pure apathy. What sort of faith you have is up to you.

Kit-Fox wrote:I fail to see how having no faith makes me either blind/closed minded or a racist. But i'm sure you'll back up those claims with verifiable proof now wont you?

You are blind to yourself of having a faith. And a racist by saying im 'worse than the taliban'.


and again as neither mod nor the thread creator it isnt your place to decide what is or isnt on topic (especially since the conversation has changed topic so many times in so many ways)

How on earth does saying the way you force your views onto those that they neither apply to & to those that dont want them (which is worse than the taliban, who at least allow for others to be different to them, even if they want to kill them for it) make me racist???

I have no faith in anything/anyone whatsoever.