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daivahataka wrote:Considering that after the 6th ascention the bonus is 1% should this not be used as the increment for these cheap semiascentions, since you are keeping all your income producers, covert, attack and defence, the stuff which this stat may affect?
Either way I don't think it'd be a fair idea on those who've made the effort to ascend, but 5% boost to a stat, with no real cost (since G&R cost nothing to gain, they merely reflect your position, which these boosts will make even easier to retain or improve on) is definitely living in dream land.

lol cheap paying over 50 bilion is cheap?

4:1 we are speaking u would get 4 times less if notr ascending + paying for those tech upgrades so i don't se how it would be cheap not to mention geting up in ranks buying weapons training spies etc

we are not speaking about cheap semiascentions but new upgrade for main server for those that don't choose to ascend not ascension at all

Bahamut wrote:

daivahataka wrote:Considering that after the 6th ascention the bonus is 1% should this not be used as the increment for these cheap semiascentions, since you are keeping all your income producers, covert, attack and defence, the stuff which this stat may affect?
Either way I don't think it'd be a fair idea on those who've made the effort to ascend, but 5% boost to a stat, with no real cost (since G&R cost nothing to gain, they merely reflect your position, which these boosts will make even easier to retain or improve on) is definitely living in dream land.

lol cheap paying over 50 bilion is cheap?

4:1 we are speaking u would get 4 times less if notr ascending + paying for those tech upgrades so i don't se how it would be cheap not to mention geting up in ranks buying weapons training spies etc

we are not speaking about cheap semiascentions but new upgrade for main server for those that don't choose to ascend not ascension at all

i know unascended people who make over 50 bil easily, so, that is a cheap price.

personally, i think G&R should only be for ascension on main. and that any bonuses you get on your main account have to incur the penalties of ascension.

your idea only costs naq, and naq is easily got off the market and other places. now, if it was to cost 1 million UU. that would be expensive. because people would not choose that lightly. because thats not just lost UU, thats lost income as well.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

how about u lose SS...and u have to pay to get it back again....just a idea

[SGC_ReplicÅtors] wrote:how about u lose SS...and u have to pay to get it back again....just a idea

By that idea you are suggesting only people with ca$h can upgrade their accounts, unless they are allowed to rebuy it over the market in which case this was the biggest waste of a sugestion ever, 3billion naq is nothing in this game.

Psi Kiya Trist wrote:

Bahamut wrote:

daivahataka wrote:Considering that after the 6th ascention the bonus is 1% should this not be used as the increment for these cheap semiascentions, since you are keeping all your income producers, covert, attack and defence, the stuff which this stat may affect?
Either way I don't think it'd be a fair idea on those who've made the effort to ascend, but 5% boost to a stat, with no real cost (since G&R cost nothing to gain, they merely reflect your position, which these boosts will make even easier to retain or improve on) is definitely living in dream land.

lol cheap paying over 50 bilion is cheap?

4:1 we are speaking u would get 4 times less if notr ascending + paying for those tech upgrades so i don't se how it would be cheap not to mention geting up in ranks buying weapons training spies etc

we are not speaking about cheap semiascentions but new upgrade for main server for those that don't choose to ascend not ascension at all

i know unascended people who make over 50 bil easily, so, that is a cheap price.

personally, i think G&R should only be for ascension on main. and that any bonuses you get on your main account have to incur the penalties of ascension.

your idea only costs naq, and naq is easily got off the market and other places. now, if it was to cost 1 million UU. that would be expensive. because people would not choose that lightly. because thats not just lost UU, thats lost income as well.

~_+Psi Kiya Trist+_~

is 1 milion uu needed for first ascension ?

NO IT ISN'T!


are we speaking of geting full benefits as ascended accounts?

NO WE ARE NOT!

so before u start comparing this with ascension take in concidere that we are not speaking here about full benefits as ascended accounts have only 5% addon on race base advantages on each level of upgrade after 5 upgrades by 5 % we could concider 1% for additional upgrades (after 5th level of upgrades non ascended accounts)

also Psi ascended acounts get ASCENDED BLESING, wich when fully working work as +100% to eithe attack or deff .

so stop comparing benefits that ascended accounts have with those aditional +25% total after 5th level of upgrade.

comparing to to full benefits that ascended accounts have that is nothing.

for u that say 1% per level of upgrade, Why don't u try tohit one living god with 30 bil attack action (yours) vs ascended 20bil def. Oh suprise he strikes back with 40 bil def?

wow what advantage we would get with those +25% after 5th level of upgrade

LMAO ascended be affraid cause they could get +25% addon!! *sarcasm

Bahamut wrote: Why don't u try tohit one living god with 30 bil attack action (yours) vs ascended 20bil def. Oh suprise he strikes back with 40 bil def?

Well you can easily even the odds of your comparison..you can even those odds in one word.....Ascension!

You want the bonus... then ascend! end of. It was stated from day 1 of ascention that they only benefited you if you ascended. If you didn't its your own fault and choice but don't expect to get any use from them.
We have had to go through x amount of resets after ascention and big losses on UU.
You on the other hanbd have benefitted from being able to increase your UP without any real worry about costs and basically build on your accounts and stay strong.

Thats your benefit.

Its your fault if you want to stay down and try and become strong whilst people ascend.... if you find now its too costly to ascend (which will be the case with alot) then you only have yourself to blame - like i said you get plenty of extra UU compared to us.

People who ascend deserve the spoils for the sacrifices they take... you have taken no sacrifice.

Can we end this thread!?!?

I have an idea: Forum can impliment a "Permanent Vacation Option" for the Ascension server so people can just ascend and activate that so they never need to worry about their ascended account ever again!

(I would presume such an option would have a confirmation screen to make sure it isn't activated on accident.)

Unknown wrote:You want the bonus... then ascend! end of. It was stated from day 1 of ascention that they only benefited you if you ascended. If you didn't its your own fault and choice but don't expect to get any use from them.
We have had to go through x amount of resets after ascention and big losses on UU.
You on the other hanbd have benefitted from being able to increase your UP without any real worry about costs and basically build on your accounts and stay strong.

Thats your benefit.

Its your fault if you want to stay down and try and become strong whilst people ascend.... if you find now its too costly to ascend (which will be the case with alot) then you only have yourself to blame - like i said you get plenty of extra UU compared to us.

People who ascend deserve the spoils for the sacrifices they take... you have taken no sacrifice.

Yet another fellow ascended being who sees the problems with this.

i dont see a valid argument for those that dont acend getting exra bonuses, the whole point of G&R was to acend, so if it isnt being used for what its for then its going to waste, and making something else for it is wrong

thunder wrote:i dont see a valid argument for those that dont acend getting exra bonuses, the whole point of G&R was to acend, so if it isnt being used for what its for then its going to waste, and making something else for it is wrong

things change ppl

change is good!

NoDot wrote:Can we end this thread!?!?

I have an idea: Forum can impliment a "Permanent Vacation Option" for the Ascension server so people can just ascend and activate that so they never need to worry about their ascended account ever again!

(I would presume such an option would have a confirmation screen to make sure it isn't activated on accident.)

why would we end this?


since when it is forbiden to present ideas and disccus about them?

u guys that opose, u look like u are in wich Hunt.

u know guys at the begining there was no ascension at all!

thunder wrote:i dont see a valid argument for those that dont acend getting exra bonuses, the whole point of G&R was to acend, so if it isnt being used for what its for then its going to waste, and making something else for it is wrong

we wouldn't get them for free we would buy them fro certain amount of naq, and possibilti to buy them would be available after we gather certain amount of G&R points so that wouldn't be for free

ok...this is all i am seeing is a ascneded player VS a non ascned fest on this thread.....

....This idea doesnt even concern u(IE ascension) IMHO...of course u dont want to see this idea ever getting implemented becuase knowing what u guys had to go(acsension) to get those bonuses, through this idea makes it a easier way to get bonues for non-asencion. and the thought of us not loosing anything must tick u guys off.

And another thing...ascension was supose to be worth it right?...will i knew from the very beggining the top players that ascended will regain there ranks in a couple of days becuase of PPT. ALL u guys do is asncend then PPT back to the top and repeat as neccessary...until u reach LG. Now tat the game has moveed on since ascnesion its much much easier to ascended now...i currently have a Allaince member that is ascendeding every 5 days. Ya i no u lose all ur spies levels, UU and UP...will thast crap too...Like i said Top pllayers that have like millions of ttroops can easily replace all those losses in a matter of days.

Now first off all the only ideas that get locked are those stupid ones they are posted in the anoucements are are stickied for ppl to look at. This idea is not breaking any of those rules.

Also another thing just becuase u guys are ascended doesnt mean u can act all high and mighty in the forums and tell us which idea doesnt pass or passes. Its not UR game its OUR game a community game ,ur ideas and thoughts are always aprecciated and welcomed but please like many have said if u dont have some constructive crisitim on the idea then dont post at all(just a suggestion)


@ Unknown
and since when did making a choice is a fualt...

@ NoDot
if you have nothing good to say about the ideas then dont say them at all


Another thing Numbers can be changed the ideas that ppl write with numbers can ALways be changed to balance the game. For once dont look at the numbers instead look at the concept of the idea.

Also Bahumut u no this idea doesnt have to be tide in with G&R...u can shift the idea right into technology....

Bahamut wrote:why would we end this?

It's my compromise to this.

Bahamut wrote:since when it is forbiden to present ideas and disccus about them?

I don't recall getting that memo, but when a thread reaches 10 pages, (fairly!) something needs to be done.

Bahamut wrote:u know guys at the begining there was no ascension at all!

I'm aware of that! I joined in Feb '05! I remember when there wasn't a bank! (No joke!)

Time for a new sig...

[SGC_ReplicÅtors] wrote:ok...this is all i am seeing is a ascneded player VS a non ascned fest on this thread.....

For the record, I am not an ascended, I don't want to ascend, and I never will ascend.

[SGC_ReplicÅtors] wrote:@ NoDot
if you have nothing good to say about the ideas then dont say them at all

This thread is over 10 pages! We needed some sort of compromise. I suggested one!

[SGC_ReplicÅtors] wrote:Also Bahumut u no this idea doesnt have to be tide in with G&R...u can shift the idea right into technology....

Yes, it can be done as Technology...Tech that the whole game is privy to Upgrade...which means that Ascended beings would be able to do it as well.. As we all know, it would be a step backwards to reward non-ascenders only, with tech upgrades, simply to level the playing feild between Ascended and Non-Ascended...as I stated before...you want to level the playing feild? Step up and Ascend.