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well, say a rule was put into place against this, all the people would have to do is make their demands via msn, and the game admin staff couldn't do anything about it, as long as nothing is posted about it ingame or on forums.

Also, how would this deal with alliances demanding reparations from war? usually something like that is part of all peace treaties formed.

I don't think there is a problem. This is a war-game, and extortion has always been a part of war. I think it is silly to limit extortion on the grounds of bigger players beating up smaller players - I was beaten up by a bigger player over a polite PM when I first joined - should all players have to fill out a five page form before launching any kind of attack that might hurt a smaller player? Such a form would solve any perceived extortion… it’d be to hard to mass.


If there was a problem, the nature of extortion within this context means it should be up to the players, not Forum to fix it - just as it is not up to forum to fix massing damages - so it should be up to the player to not pay.
And indeed, you can choose not to pay - you may lose your defense, but then, you could lose that defense just as easily by farming the wrong person, or asking a person politely why they massed you for no reason in the first place. Do we cry out to forum over those who select random ID's to mass?


Finally, if it were up to Forum to fix it; I don't see how he could. As mentioned, extortion would simply be taken to MSN. Tracking good shipments would be open to abuse via-framing. It would detract from the much more important pursuits of busting multies and cheats... and fixing ascension.


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This is a bunch of hoopla over something that is so minor as to be a non-issue compared to the other true problems facing us, would be extremely hard to effectively control, and any attempt at control would ruin at least a percent of the free-form politics of the game - an element i enjoy greatly, whether or not my account gains or loses from it.

Forum wrote:'minefield' defence where at a great cost to the defender, something big explodes on attack.

I brought this up so long ago that it's hardly worth mentioning. All my comments on the matter were treated as though i was being a coward. Funny how now (since what i feared would happen is now happening) the voting is all in favour of stopping it. Sometimes it is hard not to consider you lot collective fools, you do not listen to reason until it is too late. Alas, this 'cure' not 'prevention' is a problem inherant in every system of human life and therefore the 'one' cannot be blamed, or even 'the few'.

Rant over.

I voted 'not good for the game, but not that bad' for two reasons.
1. This sort of behaviour does not bother me in the least and i never submit to it regardless of how much i am made to 'suffer' as a result.
2. I've demanded a player replace what was foolishly smashed.

I think that the 'exploding weapon' choice is the best, here's my thoughts on why:

There is a rather profound difference between winning a war and demanding spoils from the loser and blatant bullying. I truly believe that every casualty of war no matter how arrogant, should be allowed a fighting chance. If someone wants to travel to ridiculous lengths into the depths of the rankings to make sure 'you never play again' then they should have a degree of risk involved because this is (i think) cowardly and also, if you send your weapons on a long haul, you stand more chance of a disasterous technical hiccup, for instance, one explodes and the entire arsenal blows up before the target is reached. If on the other hand you are a 'fairer' fighter and honourable player/gracious victor, you would wait for your fallen foe to pick theirself back up a little before thinking about planning another onslaught, therefore you would run far less risk of disasterous explosions because your enemy would be closer to you.

I think the exploding weaponry idea is absolute genius. Splendid.

Patrick wrote:

Tok`ra wrote:

Emperor Martin wrote:

Tok`ra wrote:the person doing it is gona get massed to hell and back.

i didnt find to many offers of help

Who was doing the extorting ?

When was it ?

Dean_s and about 8 weeks ago.

Thanks i told you if u drag my name up again ill smash your account

Yea I'll edit that, well over that now. I forgot all about this. I still think extortion is bad.

Oh and nice hit on my account, 500k dead defenders and m/s down from 5000 each to 1000+ each.

Patrick wrote:Yea I'll edit that, well over that now. I forgot all about this. I still think extortion is bad.

Oh and nice hit on my account, 500k dead defenders and m/s down from 5000 each to 1000+ each.

lol i couldnt be bothered hitting someone with nox so i stoped

honestly i think extortion is wrong play the game right or dont play it at all

This tard just tried to extort me, I make 15x what does per turn, 10x more UP a day.

I played dumb for a while, "Please dont hurt me," I begged. Then I started bashin, and bashin his realm with my ball peen hammer..

He got incoming mail like that cowboy in Texas chainsaw massacre II.


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I really frown on this extortion. Its not legitimate play and is not even strategy!

Smashing someone's head in, then turning around and begging them to pay for the stiches on your knuckels is like grave robbery.

The human race has a bad habit of "romanticising" burgulary sometimes.. The old outlaws of the 20's-30's were our first rockstars. In those days there was a disgruntled america that just got screwed over by the depression, it needed anti heroes like bank robbers to vent their rage for them. "Here are some guys (and girls: Bonnie) kicking some ass!!" They said, they could'nt wait to get their papers every morning, to read of their heroes exploits, all the while hoping they made it out of danger safe again!

Over 10K people attended Pretty Boy Floyd's funeral. He was a small town hick that lived and died by the savage life of the bandit. Most of us here will not even have 1000 at our funerals.

Now ask yourself if there is anything "romantic" about a grave robber. He probably makes a lot of money on jewelry but its sick, its crude, and it is disturbing...

Chances are the player you are trying to extort is so much weaker than you, if not, how else would you pull off the heist? Whatever you gained is not worth bragging about because you really just brough shame to your ingame name.

The bottom line: extortion doesnt make you a "glamourous bandit", you're no Han Solo or Jessie James. You are just chicken **Filtered**.

you are a school bully asking for a kicked ass, begging for vengance to set fire to your butthair. You are butthair actually. But whos? No one sexy I'll add.

If any weaker players are getting extorted out there, talk to me about it. Im sure we can round up a quick posse and have ourselves a witch hunt.

I call on older, stronger players of this game to vote no. Its the mature choice to make. I also hope that you share a similar sentiment towards the extortionists, because they really need to be scared into non existance.

Adding this feature is really going to screw up this game.

Keep it out!!!

proposed solution:
http://herebegames.com/StarGateWars/vie ... hp?t=74040

First stop multi accounts Block attacking just the same way as you block sending/receiving then raise another issue

If you stop the attack rankings then the game will become boring, means the top 100 have to drop down ranks just to mass someone then rank backup - Adding ranking system to the attacks is just lame although there is one for the raiding, I dont believe it should be there - Its not beneficial as lower ranks could just send threats to higher ranks then the higher has to lose out on about 30-50b just to rank back up after ranking down, If you add this game feature ingame, You will just mess the game and what makes the game interesting is massing people and rebuilding, I would rebuild all the time simply because I have alot of $$ to spend ingame, But still anyone who can't, Yeah you'd feel bad after they be sending you threats like "I know someone who will mass you" its like STHU, but after they're like, " OMG I QUIT SGW YOU MESSED IT OVER NOW I CANT REBUILD" makes you feel bad, but they deserve it, and have learned for future reference not to annoy or attack people whos almost 50x better than you right?

Anyways, Communities choice:- They choose this then theres no going back no matter how much votes / objections after being implented. Good luck, Games pretty good as it is now. Just need to block registrations from an Existing IP to re-register and block famous proxies from accessing the site. e.g: k***.com (I use this at work to access my account) but then I stopped knowing it was used by alot of people, Like yvonne16 - I could trade her before, I went to work logged in k***** as sites are blocked there, And tried accepting a broker of her and it said user is at you're exact location, which is worrying really.. But even if she dont multi account,

She's logged in "Kp*****", So if one user is banned on that ip, means all accounts related to that ip get banned and even if its not you're ip, your account has k*** ip on it so you get banned.. Which is unfair, I guess it can be unbanned by **Filtered** at admin and telling him what happened but bleh

Filtered the k*** as its a proxy site

Anyways, If the admin wants to hear on some ideas how I think would block proxy/mutli accounters to a extent - Obviously you cant block pro's who know how to get by, But you can block leachers...

Anyways if admin wants to know my opinions and what I think/probably know how to bock proxy/multi accounters then send me a PM

~ Peace ~ Joei

it is a war game... so I think extortion should be allowed...

although I dont think people should be allowed to say I'll sit on you if you dont pay

perhaps a serious massing... but not sitting on them til they quit as thats harsh!


TheRook

i dnt personaly use extortion but i dnt really see anything wrong with it after all this is a war game

Hmm, voted 3rd option - if u r able to do so, because you worked hard to achieve some status in this game - u also deserve extra portions of resources, it is an extra pay you get for your hard work. But lets not forget that it shouldnt be missused! (I mean the power u posses).

Absolute power corrupts absolutely. But it rocks absolutely, too!!!

I think it cannot be said better...
In my case: I dont use it. Why should I? Everything (well, almost everything) I have, I have thanks to my work..could be more, but there is some r/l, you know

I haven't chimed on here since this thread was created in response to my situation.

The purgatory remedy does not address ascended server, since that is where the extortion attempt took place(ascended stats destroyed), with resources in main as a bait/fee to not be massed. (I'm approaching this aspect of it, not jumping on the purgatory hate bandwagon as it wouldn't effect ascended accounts)

Also for the record I did not give in. Also for the record at that time the amount of people that could do harm to my account was few and far between. Also for the record if the top 1 percent of players can be put in the position to be extorted, then the other 99 percent don't have a chance. Also like I said it was only like my 8-9th massing up there which always involved a top 10 defense or so raided away, and subsequently took more guided/resource planets than most/much of the server had.

There's a thread about my situation, which included being thrashed before being extorted, and then risked to lose more as I built up bigger stuff to stop it, which was taken down, and then yes massed at their cost.

BUT again their costs was tantamount to dropping a penny on the street compared to their growth (with 1000 bucks/pounds in the wallet), meanwhile my growth was (even after continually pounded) was top 40 in ascended (with 35-38 of the others in the same 'group' at that time). Yes people that lose 10 billion dmu massing someone might seem like a lot, but they still make more than they lose while 'wasting' that dmu.

Yes, they can lose a bunch of resources compared to others, yet actually make more during the time it takes to mass someone, then they 'waste' massing it.

So one may say if they want to suffer to make you suffer, then they can. But I think some have to realize that those people could do that to people rank 10-rest of ascension, and still click upgrade charisma once or twice a day at about 50 million life force points per upgrade...catch the drift? Only limiting factor, turns.

In fact something like that for ascension might be the best thing. Limiting turns. make it so you get 1 turn per 4 turns. Also making like a nox policy up there. There already is, but fewer attacks need to be made. Also maybe a tally be kept. Where if someone has massed you, and triggered the nox thing, or maybe just reach a certain number (otherwise it would be constent under hitting) of attacks, win/lose then you can't be hit by them for a month. Also I think the rank modifier needs to be increased 10 fold from where it is. It's not really a modifier, if those that it is meant to keep from attacking lower members, are skirting it, only having to drop 2 minutes resources (yes 2 minutes worth, 1/15 of a turn) to build up and strike the average person. Also maybe the mandatory planet loss when attacking if you have that many trained, like in main.

Or where if you are on the different levels it actually changes the amounts of attacks you can be hit. Maybe extend that to a 48 hour period. So if critical allows say 5 hits, you can only be hit 5 times in a 48 hour period. That is enough as 5 hits can knock out 45 percent of someone's attack/defense planets, or can waste a lot of someone's d planets/weapon reparis while stealing a healthy percentage of their guided/resource planets...while STILL allowing for people to be descended. Or make it so the ascended attacks are governed by the way they currently are, but regular attacks/raids are limited by the nox.

Also a bank in ascension is needed so people can repair their weapons. Big guys have too much advanatage in continuing attacks and smaller people can only watch their d's go bye-bye. It doesn't have to be a huge bank. It should be equal to twice the repair costs of their weapons. This way they can pay for the weapons, pay for the trained planets, and have a little more for whatever case. Also overbanking, could be stopped by the same methods employed in main right now.

I had been meaning to chime in here earlier, but here's something. Maybe get this ball rolling again.

And finally the issue of 'its a wargame' can be used to justify anything. In most reasonable cases I can understand it. But extortion, is not reasonable, and does not afford such fantasy protection.

Also when one looks at how it can snowball into threat after threat after threat (which IT WOULD) if allowed, they might think twice.

People might say I'll respond in-kind legally, but that is not always possible, and just having to read extortion after extortion case and dealing with them would be annoying. As in my situation, anybody but the top 5 accounts in ascension would make you 'in the boat'. So yeah, everyone is pretty much eligible.

Also people might want to realize that stuff such as this creates wars, long wars. Situation like these help contribute mightily to this big war that was just fought. So people may want it, or think its okay, but are the consequences of such actions worth it to everyone? So I guess the question should be asked, if you had to lose a few months resources because your friend wanted to extort someone that hadn't done anything to them, would that be worth it, and okay? Because in many ways that happened. If you think of it along those lines, do you want one of your friends, to extort again? Is it okay then?

Finally as to how to code extortion checks and balances out of the game, I don't know. But I think the above would limit their effectiveness in ascension, while still allowing people to be descended.

Anything even going happen with this? as i want to no if its going be added....