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Re: How Rubbish is the game for you? (only 75mill and over)

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 9:12 am
by ~Phoenix~
Its still fine how it is. No UU buying or raiding, just how SGW was used to played, just as it was meant to be played, just as it should be played.

Re: How Rubbish is the game for you? (only 75mill and over)

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 7:31 pm
by Thelen
Lore wrote:But the difference in army sizes comes in during long term warfare. The larger army size can rebuild quicker and will spend less resources doing so. The smaller army size will farm more which will cost AT and repair naq plus unit losses.

During a full on war the smaller will actually have an advantage at first as he can farm the larger for more income. But in the long run he will fall first as the larger will eventually be able to build a def the smaller can no longer break. It would take a conciderable amount of time for the full sinerio to play out and a battle between a 30 and a 50 mill army size could go either way if the smaller hits first and can do a complete massing with the death of all defenders and spies as it is possible to have had 10+ mill in those areas.

Now a 30 mill versus a 100 mill will end much more quickly as the resources avalible to a 100 mill army are so much higher and the sale of say 10 mill UU could completely rebuild the military of the 100 mill man stronger then it was before.

JMO


Yea for sure a longer drawn out conflict means army size is more important, but as far as i can see, it would take months of hardcore fighting for a 100 mil army to 'beat' a 30 mil army. Im not saying it will be easy, and for sure the 100 mil army will have an 'easier' time of it, i was talking purely about capability. At the end of the day, everyone would agree 100 mil would be able to easily be number 1 in stats, no question.

@Hells_Angel, you said you would argue, but haven't really given any 'evidence'. I haven't exactly given much either, but please if your going to say something, say at least something more to proove your point >_>

Lore wrote:But the difference in army sizes comes in during long term warfare. The larger army size can rebuild quicker and will spend less resources doing so. The smaller army size will farm more which will cost AT and repair naq plus unit losses.


Firstly, there really hasn't been much/any long term warfare. The recent CoP vs ... was probably the biggest we've seen in a while, and lots of accounts got decimated, but really no accounts actually got too badly 'hurt' to still be as useful as before. Teal'auc, my loving CO, went down to about 22 mil (shes now back to 37 mil), and she was perfectly able to fight as well as before. I know some people in personal wars, where its 5 mil against 50, and the 5 mil holds his own (though only because he spends more time).

Secondly, i'd agree that the larger army can rebuild quicker, but only if they keep their income. Once the initial massing is done, the larger has no more capacity to build than the smaller one, simply because the smaller can attack for naq/UU as well, and 'passive' income counts for nothing if you can just steal it. But i do agree with you in theory, just in practice it can be different, if the player is dedicated.

So what it comes down to is the cap during peace times, stops the bigger getting bigger faster than the smaller. But in war times, it has an even greater effect, in lowering the capacity to grow.

Re: How Rubbish is the game for you? (only 75mill and over)

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:03 pm
by SVaRuN
I think you have forgoten about the 4 days of ppt...

Re: How Rubbish is the game for you? (only 75mill and over)

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:15 pm
by Ero`Sore
I have a message for all you people who are so obsessed with growing:

This game is not about growing, this game is about having fun. What fun is it just growing seriously? If you just wanna grow, move your mouse to the bottom left of your screen, click start, all programs, accessories, calculator, type 1, type +, type 1, +, type 1, etc... You will be growing as much as you want! And the best part?? NO CAP OMG YAY =D>

Seriously this game is about having fun, wars, determination, and persistance. I didn't come back just to grow, I came back to have some fun. Sure right now I'm working on growing, but thats just temporary, so I can have fun during the next war. O and it's easy for new players to grow?
No not really.. Especially now with the market as it is.. Don't say it's easy for new players to grow unless you start from an unascended account and attempt to work your way up again...

CAP is just fine. If you want to outgrow it you can, or if you want, sell a few dozen million uu for naq, and have some fun again, do whatever you want, its a game :-D

Re: How Rubbish is the game for you? (only 75mill and over)

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 8:51 pm
by SVaRuN
Its easy for new players with connections to grow...

Re: How Rubbish is the game for you? (only 75mill and over)

Posted: Sat Jul 21, 2007 11:51 pm
by Raven
SVaRuN wrote:Its easy for new players with connections to grow...


Even without connections you can grow maybe they need some help on how to grow the fastest way.
The market and in particular AT really doesnt affect the smaller players to much as long as they just trade their UU in for turns and make sure they make atleast double the profit outta it.
Getting from scratch to 50mill size unascended can be done in 2 months and then you really dont even have to be active all day long.
Well after you reached 50mill you do some ascension and get to 75mill all in all you dont need more then 6 months and then you got a reasonable asc account too.

The boring part about the caps is that you cant do much above it and ofcourse people can just go sit below the caps but as it seems right now with some patience you can grow a long way beyond it.

Re: How Rubbish is the game for you? (only 75mill and over)

Posted: Sun Jul 22, 2007 1:41 am
by Thelen
SVaRuN wrote:I think you have forgoten about the 4 days of ppt...


No, infact PPT is more helpful for the smaller army, cos its time not for protection of naq income, but time where cannot be attacked.

Anyway, i don't see what the problem with the 100m cap is, it really doesn't make much difference by the time your that big..

But the 50 and 75 caps are nasty in that you can no longer buy men, so you have to change your strategy a bit.