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Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:00 am
by Nuto vixen
Ishmayeck[KDE4] wrote:Heh... ok, here's my version of existance:
The Universe, all of Spacetime, etc. is all but a neutron in a massive beer being brewed by the God-entity that created all that is. The fact that there is life/existance/etc in our Universe is pretty damn meaningless, as we're all just floating in a really apocalyptically big beer.
We must all live and worship that day, billions of eons in the future, when th beer is brewed and the God-entity drinks of it. Though humanity itself will not live to see that day, and likely neither will our universe, and thus the idea of "a day" will be meaningless; that day will bring about massive destruction of countless Omniverses that make up the All-encompassing Beer Except Everything It Does Not Encompass.
All of existance is thus meaningless, a simple by-product of the All-encompassing Beer, and thus we must live and exist only to worship the Day of End, when the God-entity will drink trillions of Omniverses.
The end.
~+Ishmayeck+~
now THAT is original.
I used to wonder what if we are all just tiny atoms floating around, and we are all part of massive being, but we are far too small and it is far too large to knowledge our existence.
Think about any item. Say, a stone, or even a tree. Think of how many tiny molecules make it up. When you get as far down as atoms, how can we be so sure that we are not as insignificant as a nucleus in an atom?
Imagine, we have been around for billions of years, and thats all we are, when you look at the BIG picture. Part of a massive rock. Sound familiar? It should. We live on a massive rock. One that has a massive rock orbiting it. We are hanging out with all other massive rocks, in a galaxy full of massive rocks, some are hotter than others. Some are cold, some burn like the sun, some are the sun.
Thinking about this too much leads to confusion and sometimes leads to mild insanity.
See, its easier to just pick a religion and say "that will do". Saves having to think about anything.
I like your beer theory, its close enough to mine :p When will we know if we have been sipped though?
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:03 am
by Ishmayeck
Well I'm guessing the little neutron our Universe is in will take part in some kind of chemical reaction in the God-entity's stomach while being digested... There should be widespread destruction, sky should burn, etc. 
Now let's flip that the other way around... what if inside a single atom, there is a Universe full of countless planets, some populated... and on one of them there are people that wonder if their Universe is part of any colossal entity, and if it is, what that entity may be...
Since I'm already mildly insane, I enjoy thinking about these things >_>
~+Ishmayeck+~
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:08 am
by El TC
looks like someone got the gag order to take the site down
This account has been suspended.
Either the domain has been overused, or the reseller ran out of resources.
Most inter4esting would be that our galaxy has a black hole in its centre as do all other galaxies which in turn are part of another huge galaxy which has a huge black hole at its centre etc. et infinitum
The month of june should be mindblowing when the biggest particle accelerator we have will be used to smash two atoms together to create such huge amounts of energy that they hoping to "unpack" another dimension. Worst case scenario is they create a black hole.
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 9:41 am
by Zekk
El TC wrote:The month of june should be mindblowing when the biggest particle accelerator we have will be used to smash two atoms together to create such huge amounts of energy that they hoping to "unpack" another dimension. Worst case scenario is they create a black hole.
and they're doing something so risky on this planet, why? o.O
*pokes them and tells them to go to another solar system before experimenting with such dangerous toys*
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:07 am
by semper
its only strange because most are not used to the idea. Everyone near enough every single person who will use these forums will have been taught and hared about god and the spiritual religions all the way through their childhood. On the Contrary to...they are right to a degree..these machines that we use..they are brainwashing us all. The scientologists maybe being a little extreme, but they are dam right. Id like to know how many people on this forum feel the 'need' to come on here or check their online account, long past the point the game was any fun..we are brainwashed by our own dependancy on machines to think less of them..or the other way round its up to you..but that theory IS right to a degree...
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:12 am
by Zekk
Semper wrote:its only strange because most are not used to the idea. Everyone near enough every single person who will use these forums will have been taught and hared about god and the spiritual religions all the way through their childhood. On the Contrary to...they are right to a degree..these machines that we use..they are brainwashing us all. The scientologists maybe being a little extreme, but they are dam right. Id like to know how many people on this forum feel the 'need' to come on here or check their online account, long past the point the game was any fun..we are brainwashed by our own dependancy on machines to think less of them..or the other way round its up to you..but that theory IS right to a degree...
whats wrong with being an internet addict?
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 12:41 pm
by Nuto vixen
I dont think we are brainwashed by our dependance on machine, I just think we are dependant on our machines because we have never known any better.
I have always had a fridge.
I have never been a situation where there are no fridges and we had to made do without them.
I have always had an oven.
I have never needed to create my own fire and start make-shift roasts in soil.
It's not about being brainwashed by our machines, I think its more the fact that technology is everywhere, and when the power goes out, we don't know what to do with ourselves, because its such a part of our lives now that we haven't learned to adjust to it not being there.
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:16 pm
by El TC
Zekk wrote:El TC wrote:The month of june should be mindblowing when the biggest particle accelerator we have will be used to smash two atoms together to create such huge amounts of energy that they hoping to "unpack" another dimension. Worst case scenario is they create a black hole.
and they're doing something so risky on this planet, why? o.O
Because the energy they can now create, similar to computing power ever increasing, is so high, that they can actually attempt this now. I think it will be incredible if they can do it but of course it will take years to evaluate the huge amount of data so I guess in 2010 ppl will hear about the results.
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 2:19 pm
by Zekk
and, what if, by chance...they make a black hole instead?
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 3:43 pm
by Apadizamek
Nuto vixen wrote:You know whats sadder is that so many big hollywood stars have fallen into the stupid trap on this one.
Here is a list of Scientology morons:
This is a religion?
Maybe we should all make up our own version of what we think would have been a cool way for the earth to have started up, and see who has the best, most original ideas. The winner gets a prize.
*Edited by Smooshable*
Apadizamek this is quite clearly unacceptable. You should feel free to argue with her points but speaking to another forum member in this way will not be tollerated.
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 4:14 pm
by semper
Nuto vixen wrote:I dont think we are brainwashed by our dependance on machine, I just think we are dependant on our machines because we have never known any better.
I have always had a fridge.
I have never been a situation where there are no fridges and we had to made do without them.
I have always had an oven.
I have never needed to create my own fire and start make-shift roasts in soil.
It's not about being brainwashed by our machines, I think its more the fact that technology is everywhere, and when the power goes out, we don't know what to do with ourselves, because its such a part of our lives now that we haven't learned to adjust to it not being there.
Brainwash.
1. Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs.
2. The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation.
Where do I begin? We have used by dates on food, they are not needed, most things can last long past their used by date as I have found on many an occasion. We can communicate by letter..or by natural interaction..but yet so many use phones and planes. The ease of technology, and the dependency that has evolved with its advancement IS brainwashing, by definition. It has destroyed the basic attitudes of many people. Look at the invention of alcohol. How many people believe it is necessary to have alcohol to enhance enjoyment, or to give them the ability to alter their attitude and act out of turn. Im not saying everyone is like that..but I am saying MOST people are like that...whats funny is that by thinking like this..after joining scientology...the members have in turn been brainwashed...thereby..most definately causing a conflict of interest.
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 8:54 pm
by The Deity
APADAMEK. wrote:Nuto vixen wrote:You know whats sadder is that so many big hollywood stars have fallen into the stupid trap on this one.
Here is a list of Scientology morons:
This is a religion?
Maybe we should all make up our own version of what we think would have been a cool way for the earth to have started up, and see who has the best, most original ideas. The winner gets a prize.
Well aren't you a conceited dog.
Well aren't you an abrasive bigot? Last time I remember you declaring USA's supremacy based upon it's GDP with the wealthy American signature and you're using the word conceited? Better safeguard your glass house.
Semper wrote:Nuto vixen wrote:I dont think we are brainwashed by our dependance on machine, I just think we are dependant on our machines because we have never known any better.
I have always had a fridge.
I have never been a situation where there are no fridges and we had to made do without them.
I have always had an oven.
I have never needed to create my own fire and start make-shift roasts in soil.
It's not about being brainwashed by our machines, I think its more the fact that technology is everywhere, and when the power goes out, we don't know what to do with ourselves, because its such a part of our lives now that we haven't learned to adjust to it not being there.
Brainwash.
1. Intensive, forcible indoctrination, usually political or religious, aimed at destroying a person's basic convictions and attitudes and replacing them with an alternative set of fixed beliefs.
2. The application of a concentrated means of persuasion, such as an advertising campaign or repeated suggestion, in order to develop a specific belief or motivation.
Where do I begin? We have used by dates on food, they are not needed, most things can last long past their used by date as I have found on many an occasion. We can communicate by letter..or by natural interaction..but yet so many use phones and planes. The ease of technology, and the dependency that has evolved with its advancement IS brainwashing, by definition. It has destroyed the basic attitudes of many people. Look at the invention of alcohol. How many people believe it is necessary to have alcohol to enhance enjoyment, or to give them the ability to alter their attitude and act out of turn. Im not saying everyone is like that..but I am saying MOST people are like that...whats funny is that by thinking like this..after joining scientology...the members have in turn been brainwashed...thereby..most definately causing a conflict of interest.
You're a little off there Semper. Brainwashing is more to do with recoding core values and processes. I'd hardly call Used-by-Dates the vanguard of doom. Rather a preventative measure. Not to save us, oh no. I'm a cynic after all, it's to save law suits so we can't sue if you fall ill or die from ingesting stale merchandise.
And with technology, it's not brainwashing, we don't believe that we must have a mobile. We're just aware of the ease it provides. It's more a oneupmanship's dependency then brainwashing. You can hardly call a technological evolution that has formed to provide such accessibility grounds for persuasive mind alteration.
Alexander Graham Bell or Thomas Edison And many others created out of a want to make life easier. I'm sure there wasn't a widespread media blitz back then to get the light bulb into the house when it was freshly invented (Due mainly to the lack of TVs no doubt...). People just recognized the promise that such an invention would hold and chose to take it onboard. And I can tell you that the first light bulb was no Sovereign, there was no indoctrination.
But to each his own, if you believe that going out and buying a battery is proof that we have had our core beliefs crushed by technology then the best of luck to you. The fact that I can let it slide until it's convenient for me to grab some more at my leisure is proof enough to me that I have will over those evil little energy holders.
Oh and Anon FTW! Fresh Prince of Bell Air!
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:46 am
by El TC
Zekk wrote:and, what if, by chance...they make a black hole instead?
then we are that much closer to having warp drive!
read here:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/stor ... Id=9433495http://lhc.web.cern.ch/lhc/
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 3:05 am
by The Deity
I don't get why people are always bringing up black holes and spouting doomsday scenarios. It wouldn't matter if they created a black hole.
The only reason regular black holes are so dangerous is that they form out of massive stars, 1.591136 × 10^31 kilograms or there abouts. When they collapse in on themselves that massive density sucks things towards it.
In this case two protons would smash together to form a black hole and the resulting black hole would have a "massive" 3.34524316 × 10^-27 kilograms to play with... Hardly the stuff of mass destruction.
So worry not folks, apart from an intensional star implosion, all man-made black holes will hardly be dangerous harbingers of Armageddon.
Re: Scientology, and the war against it.
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 5:30 am
by El TC
The Deity wrote:I don't get why people are always bringing up black holes and spouting doomsday scenarios. It wouldn't matter if they created a black hole.
I fail to see where anyone here has brought up doomsday scenarios or visions of Armaggedon.
Anyway, if these black holes are created, they would only last a thousandth of a trillionth of a trillionth of a second.